Who would you take and why? Try to give good reasoning.
Andre Igoudala...more versatile and the #1 option on his team
Ok more versatile. but how?
i don't see it
he gives you 20-5-5
he can defend, be a decent playmaker and even rebound well. He has all the tools to be a good player and even a breakout player.....
I HAVE TO SAY RUDY GAY..ANDRE IS AS GOOD AS HE'S GOING TO GET..HE'S THE 3rd OPTION ON A GOOD TEAM..BUT HE'LL NEVER BE A GO TO GUY..RUDY IS A NUMBER 2 OPTION AND A ALLSTAR IN THE MAKING....
iggy is a true player of the game.... superb athlete, plays GREAT d, and can create for others on his team..... rudy gay is only as effective as the number of shots he gets.... which have been decreasing the last 2 years....
all in all its the playmaker ability hes got.... i think its gonna help philly a LOT this year... he will have a breakout year i think...
Andre Iguodala easily. He better at everything, except Gay is the better 3 point shooter. You guys have to take into account defensive ability when decide who's a better player than who. Andre defends(he's arguably the best perimeter defender in the NBA), Gay doesnt. Thats the deciding factor in this close a head to head.Rudy Gay has the physical tools to be a top 10 player, but he is less likely to get there because all he offers is scoring ability. And for a player as 1-dimensional as he is, for him to score at the same rate as the much much better all-around player Andre Iguodala shows how much better Iguodala is....
Iguadala is the better choice
-Rudy is a selfish, low efficiency scorer
-Andre scores within the offense and doesnt dominate the ball, better passer playmaker
-Andre is a far superior defender
-about equal in rebouding
Rudy probably has a better upside, but i doubt he'll ever tap into that potential because of his demeanor and the fact that his shot selection is very sub-par. Overall, Andre is only slightly less talented but because he is so consistent and plays within himself, as a GM I would have to take him.
He just plays into a team concept much better, and I don't think either of them should be a franchises center piece if they wanna win a ring
It has to be Iggy. I know Gay has a lot of potential, but people have been saying that about him forever. With Gay's length and athleticism not only should he be an amazing scorer, but he should be suffocating defensively. At the moment, all we know is that he is a good player on a bad team. He could just be the next coming of a guy like Al Harrington, who never does much when on a good team. I'm going with Iggy. He's effective on both ends of the floor and he can do a lot to help a team even when the ball isn't in his hands.
Ok heres the fact's
19 ppg 5.5 reb 2 asts 1.2 stl 0.8 blk 35% pct 3
19 ppg 5.7 reb 5.3 asts 1.6 stl 0.4 blk 31 pct 3
so yes Igouala is a better playmaker, but Gay is a better shooter and will be a new player come this season, just watch. Gay is just 23 and has only been playing for 3 yrs, while Igoudala is 25yrs. old, and a 5 yr. vet.
yeah rudy does have the better upside..iggy is more of a number 2 option (on a title contending team)which is also what rudy is but he has the potenial to become a #1 option
I think Gay at 6'8'' has the potential to be a 7 rebound per night guy, whether he does so or not is still in question, but Igoudala has proved to be clutch and a go to guy down the stretch while Gay I still think hasn't reached that point. I still think Gay has more upside while I really don't think Igoudala is going to improve much more, but thats not a knock, 19, 6 and 6 is nothing to scoff at. Right now I say Iggy, but by Rudy's 5th year, i bet he is putting up bigger numbers than Iggy.
Some of y'all are acting like Iguodala doesnt have alot of upside left. Iguodala has some things he can improve on alot: he isnt more than an average as a shooter,and he can improve his already good handling skills. And the development of his shot and (to a lesser extent) handle over the course of his career shows that he is still improving. He has alot of upside despite being in his 5th season, and even though Gay has more at this stage, he will never be the all-around player Iguodala is.
Everyone acts like Iggy is over the hill after 5 seasons. Honestly I don't think he is going to get much better, though he's pretty good now. I just don't ever see Gay as a number one. He's way too complacent at times and there is nothing dominating about him to me. He's a really nice player, I just don't see the number one mentality, though I do see the ability. I think you have to have both to become that.
Is one of the the better players in the league unlike Rudy so Iggy all the way
No ones acting like Iggy's over the hill. They're just questioning his ability to improve his ball handling and shot off the dribble substantially. Rudy Gay has the talent to do just about anything so just a refining of his game is necessary to be a elite scorer. Though you have to give Iggy the edge in defense, but he's the kind of player that won't be able to get his shot whenever he needs it. He'll have a chance to make a spectacular block or steal, but when your talking about the best, offense beats defense. Thats why Kobe, Lebron, Wade, Dirk, Shaq, the big legends of the modern era, they all got serious buckets or lots of assists (Both is great too). He cant carry the squad offensively, but he gives your team as good a chance as any to contain a big time scorer.
1 point for you, Gay can do anything on O just needs to get his head right, and i think this is his year
But why question it if he's improved every year since he's been in the NBA and its still not a finished product? Dwyane Wade, Carmelo and Lebron have made significant improvements on their jumpers and/or handles since entering the NBA and even improved last year. And all of them have been in the NBA longer than Iguodala. He isnt even in his prime, he's 25 years old. So by question is why is his ability to improve being questioned? Why is thought that he cant improve? As opposed to a guy like Rudy Gay who hasnt shown much improvement in any stat except his ability to score from the perimeter since his rookie year?
Iggy just brought yall to school
I don't question his ability to improve, but Gay has a much more complete game on O and cn be unstoppable, Igoudala can improve but not dramatically, and plau Gay is a 3rd year player so now you question him? His ppg total is up 10 pts from his rookie season, and he can now do anything on the court. No weaknesses, just needs to get in the right frame of mind, and i think he will shine this year,
He isnt the best shooter or ball handler yet at all. And he deferred alot to Mayo last year. Those are weaknesses. And the fact that he usually stops the rotation on offense because he hardly ever passes the ball. He has weaknesses on offense, Iguodala is the far more complete player on offense. He scored the same ppg, and had much more assists, and had more rebounds!
iggy can get better but not awhole lot..yes hes gotten better since hes been in the leauge but it hasnt been big leaps like lebrons and wade and other super stars. right now people are questioning who will be the better player him or thaddus young. right now iggy is better then gay but as far has potenial and ceiling gay's is just higher
What i said Iggy is a 5th yr player and the only scorer on his team, Gay has another legit #1 option in Mayo and is still only in year 3, plus Gay shhots way better then Iggy and like i said the whole mental (not passing the ball alot) thing will and can change this year
Thaddeus Young and Andre Miller averaged at least 15 ppg last yr, and Lou Williams averaged 12. He wasnt the only scorer on the team at all.
Now for Memphis, only Mayo averaged more than 15 a game. And Mayo wasnt the no.1 option last year since he didnt even lead the team in scoring. And I already said Gay shoots better, but what else does he do better? For the one-dimensional scorer that Gay is, he should but up way more points than the do-it-all player taht is Andre Iguodala. And he didn't which make Iguodala hands down the better player. He impacts the game outside of scoring, Gay doesnt.
right now iggy is better. give gay about 3-4 years and he'll develop. Rudy has the potential to become a much better all around player, and could one day be better than iggy.
Rudy's defense is very underrated...he isn't just a simple 1 dimensional scorer...sigh.
Ahhh. don't think i forgot when u called Young a #3 option at best in his prime. because i do
As for Gay, what can't he do? I explained that the lack of a killer mentality(which will come out his year) and team mentality is the only thing holding him back, that 2 asts i the only flaw in his game, he isnt half bad on D either
I remember that too, I dont forget anything I say, for the most part lol. But Young did score 15 ppg, thats all I said. I said nothing about the offensive option in this case.
Rudy Gay is a below-average defender, especially with his physical ability. I've seen him play and I followed him to see what kind of player he was on this end (believe it or not, I am a semi-Rudy Gay fan) against the Hawks. And he kept getting out of position when guarding Marvin Williams, who's the 4th option and spot-up shooter for the Hawks, so he isnt/shouldnt be that hard a cover. Williams just slipped behind him whenever someone dribble-drived, and Gay kept losing him and giving up open shots. I think Williams had about 20 pts that game. And Joe Johnson was getting to the rim alot when he guarded him. I dont think he's a defender at all really, nothing worth mentioning.
Rudy Gay is still young and can improve, but he should be a lot better than what he is right now. It seems the same problems he had at UCONN, he still has now. He's a below average defender and still doesn't have enough killer instinct on offense. He has the athletically ability, length and physical tools to be a great player and take over games. He doesn't though. I think he'll be much improved this season, but RIGHT NOW... Andre Iguodala is the better player and has the more complete game. As Iguodala9 said, Iguodala can do everything just as well if not better than Gay, except shoot.
your basing your argument off of one game? every player in the nba has had an off day...and because marv williams had a decent game because gay was mentally slipping that day...it doesn't make him a below average defender...........
you think he's not that good of a defender, or not worth mentioning on the defense side. - OPINION
the guy actually isn't the best defender in the league, but to say he isn't a defender at all, that's just dumb - FACT.
Nah nah nah, Im not basing it off of that, but it did show me some things:
1.If he's a good defender, why wouldnt he guard Joe? Or Josh Smith? He was guarding Marvin Williams, probably the easiest guy to defend in the Hawks' starting 5. There's no way he shouldnt given up more than 10-12 points guarding him if he's a decent defender.
2. When has Rudy Gay been considered a good defender by anybody? I gave you an instance where he played poorly as a defender, can you give me a game where he locked someone down?
because Mayo and Warrick are good on D so he didn't have to, and everyone says he's a good defender
that is a very nice dance move for your argument. I have never called rudy a lockdown defender, nor would i consider him a lockdown defender. all i claimed was the man is not a below average defender, and to say that he is a below average defender, is simply nonsense.
the man plays above average perimiter defense. He may have trouble guarding in the post, might be blown by by oddities like joe johnson (6'7-240 pounder)...but because he has an off day against marvin williams doesn't make you right about his defense ability.
The Grizzlies are your squad and that's coo... You're probably a little biased though lol. I've never heard anybody mention Rudy Gay as being a good defender. I've always heard and SEEN that his defense is questionable at best. He isn't a poor defender, but he IS below average. On his athleticism and physcical gifts alone, he should at least be average.
On top of that he doesn't get his teammates involved. He has very low assist numbers and can be a ball movement stopper. I like Rudy Gay, but the talk has always been about "How good he can be" instead of how good he is. People talk about how good Andre Igoudala is right now. He's improved EVERY season. He's the leader of his team and is an elite defender. He can score, rebound, handle the ball, get his teammates involved and play lockdown defense... He's just an all around player.
I mean,for you to not be considered a below average defender, you have to locked at least someone down or play great D in a few games. Rudy Gay has never done that. He is a below average defender, plain and simple, and if he isnt show me one time where he defended well or shut someone down. I shared my opinion, and you didnt. All you keep saying is calling him a below average defender is "nonsense" and "dumb", but you have given me no proof of where he has been a good defensive player.
You guys this isn't really a debate. Iggy is much more well rounded player, who can as stated above: make plays with his passing, score, rebound and defend like very few others. Gay is great and his ceiling is higher the Iguadalas but that doesn't make him the better player now. Maybe in 3 years, maybe in 5, maybe never.
this is easy for me Iggy all day everyday. Great athlete who is physically stronger. A better ball handler, and playmaker. Better defender. Rudy has a better jump shot and to me it ends there. Iggy is more clutch too. I do not believe Gay will be the better player. Iggy has more heart, better all around. Gay can score mainly with jump shots, scared of contact.
Gay scared or contact? Want to explain that?
A guy of his athletiscm should live at the line all the time. He does not do enough going to the hoop IMO
I'll take Iguodala. I honestly don't think either of those guys should be a number one option on a team trying to contend. But Iguodala does more in terms of creating for teammates and defending.
NEITHER ONE OF THESE GUYS SHOULD BE A NUMBER 1 OPTION IF YOU WANT A RING.
^ up +1 . but id take iggy over gay..