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Lance Stephenson: Born Ready? Really?

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Lance Stephenson: Born Ready? Really?

Seeing as how this is an NBA draft forum, i know that you guys have talked about this kid already. However, a topic hasn't been made on him in a while, so I thought I'd start the talks again. Does anyone think that Stephenson is overrated? What kind of impact do you think he'll have on the college and NBA level?

I'm from Jersey and they showed his games on TV all the time, so I've had plenty of opportunities to watch him. Lance is a prime example of why adding muscle isn't always a good thing. In his freshman year of high school, he was 6'4, 190 lbs. His sophomore year he was 6'5, 200. His junior year is when I really saw a change in his game, and it wasn't for the better. He added 20 pounds of muscle over the summer, and it noticeably slowed him down. He wasn't dunking nearly as much as he used to, and he wasn't creating the same kind of separation that he did during his first two years of high school. He relies on sheer strength and power to get most of his buckets, which is not a good sign. This most certainly worked against high schoolers, and it will probably work against smaller college guards. However, this is not gonna fly at the NBA level. He can also use his strength to really bother people on the defensive end, but he doesn't work nearly as hard on this end of the court.

Besides his strength, he doesn't really have any other skills that jump out at you. His ball handling and shooting ability are above average at best, and he has had a history of on and off-court issues. I have repeatedly seen him get in a player's face after a foul, and his body language is terrible. He has cleaned it up a little bit over the past 2 years, but it still needs work. I see him putting up big numbers at Cincinnati and leaving for the draft after his freshman year, which I think is a big mistake. He should stay 2-3 years to work on his skills and maturity.

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I saw him play alot. I think

I saw him play alot. I think depending on if he can fit the Cincy system, I see him 1 and done.

In a draft with 0 legit SG, I would not be shocked if he was a lottery pick

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Yeah

I think he is a talented player. As long as he doesn't have any on/off court issues he should be a first round pick whenever he comes out. I don't think he's "born ready" though. Maybe physically, but not in the other aspects of the game.

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Yeah, very interested to see

Yeah, very interested to see how he does at Cinci, i think he'll dominate based on him being the best player at Cinci, regardless of wheres hes projected..i think hes definetly one and done..

His off the court issues are something NBA teams will easily shy away from..gets in alot of trouble..

imo, the next NBA brawl will have Lance Stephenson involved

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My Question is this: If he

My Question is this: If he has a great season...like 16ppg and 5rpg. With all these mystery players at SG, could he be the 1st SG off the board?

I think he can.

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I have only seen Lance play
I have only seen Lance play once but I was impressed.  He is a physical specimen.  He should play well for Cincy but I don't think he is going to be their #1 option.  I could be wrong about that though.  I just feel that Yancy Gates & Vaughn are the main players on that team.  Cincinnati good be sneaky good if Lance can adjust to the college game quickly.  Vaughn is a solid floor general & Gates is a beast in the post.  All this team was missing was a good wing player.  I will definitely be watching some Cincy games this season for sure.  
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QHaynes- If Stephenson
QHaynes- If Stephenson averages those numbers that would be impressive but it is all about upside.  I'm not sure how much upside Stephenson has...I haven't seen enough of him to know.  If he puts up big #s & scouts think he still has a lot of upside then absolutely he could be the 1st SG off the board.
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I think Willie Warren will

I think Willie Warren will be the 1st SG taken off the board, bu if Lance produces, i think 2nd is possible

But like gatorheels said, its moreso about upside..guys like Avery Bradley, Evan Turner, and Xavier Henry will probably have advantages over Lance come draft day (if they all decide to come out that is..)

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I guess your right. I think

I guess your right. I think Lance can be like a real good player. I dont know who to compare him to though. Of my head kinda like a offensive Dominque Wilkins (Takes everything to the basket) with a little Steve Smith..I dunno

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Underrated

I have seen him play a lot (even played with him and against him) and the only thing that is holding him back is his demeanor. He is not a team player, not nice (in any way) and often does a good job at bothering his teammates.

that being said, his handle, shot, and passing are all far above average. People may disagree with this but I have seen make top ranked players look silly off the dribble and he has nba range and needs little to no room to get off a good jumper. Most of his misses are because he is taking bad shots because of his me first attitude.

As far as passing goes, he knows people are open, and can easily get them the ball, but he wont pass unless its gonna make him look good, but if he put his mind to it he could easily rack up the dimes with the best of them.

if someone can tell this kid that its a team game and make him a true pg (sg is not an option, he needs the ball) his potential really is limitless (think a 6-5 mark jackson who can score and rebound much better).

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I always have liked

I always have liked stephenson but he have gain to much weight he use to be a flat out beast he wuz goin at oj mayo at the abcd camp and oj wuz in the 11th and stepehson was in the 8th i think the weight has slowed him down but one thing he has is a killer crossover his jumpshot is decent at best he isnt athletic but he can flat out score i think he has a future in the nba i dont know if he's goin to be a all star but u never know.

he once scored 48 points on jamal crawford though

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Paul George has the most

Paul George has the most upside at SG.

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Stephensons' build kinda

Stephensons' build kinda reminds me of Tyreke Evans.  

 Spurs2020- So you think Lance can be a PG....sort of like Tyreke but with a better jumpshot?  That could be interesting. 

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He can't run the floor like

He can't run the floor like tyreke can... he is definitely a more talented half court player though

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He does have alot of upside

He does have alot of upside but he does not play any good comp IMO

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yea i agree with qhaynes20

yea i agree with qhaynes20 stephenson dosent p;ay good comp he plays against public school kids who starting center be like 6'4 sometimes and the guards be weak so he easily bullies them im not tryin say anything bad about public school though

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I was talking about Paul

I was talking about Paul George.

Lance dominated guys better then him in those classic NY-NJ games and also in the Elite 24 Classic in Rucker, he does his thing

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qhaynes, He dominates better

qhaynes,

He dominates better players consistently because he is the single most competitive player i have seen, no exaggeration, the kid will kill to win... he just needs someone to help him turn that energy into a team concept...

a nice mix http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n7hQHIfNQGY

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o i thiught u wuz talkin

o i thiught u wuz talkin about stephenson yeah at the rucker lance dominates even at a young age he wuz a problem for nba players

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I think Warren, Avery

I think Warren, George, Avery Bradley and Terrico White have the best chances of getting picked before him at the 2-guard spot. Stephenson is a ridiculous scorer, he reminds me alot of Paul Pierce. He has the same ability to get really hot at every aspect of the game, and be the best player on the floor on any given night. He usually doesnt do anything except try to score, but when he wants to prove something he will lock his man down, pressure him and strip the ball and score with a layin/dunk or pull up for a 3. I think Stephenson has #1 option talent offensively.

The problems I dont like about Stephenson is how he looks on the court. If HE makes mistakes, sometimes he will pout to teammates when its his fault. Even when his teammates make mistakes he looks mad all the time. He's a complainer, and it looks like he's always mad during games. He also didnt try to defend alot of times in HS, but I think that will get better with college coaching. He is lottery worthy, and he has the ability to play the 1-3. Talented player, just has to be under control

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I was talking about Paul

I was talking about Paul George Spurs.

No need to tell me about Lance...I seen him play, met him a couple times too

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competition

he plays in the psal, but the winners of the psal, chsaa, and nyphssa all play after states for the federation championships, lance was psal state champ 4 years and federation 3 years...

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Yea stephenson is a great

Yea stephenson is a great talent and igouadala9 that pierce comparison was a great one he do remind me of a young paul pierce lance can score no doubt it does look like he always mad on the court i think a year of college will get him right minded and i think cinncinati is a lock for the tournament now.

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i think he is undderated.

i think he is undderated. If you all remeber this same thing happened with OJ Mayo and Tyreke evans. These guys were at the top of their classes for so long that people start to nit pick and say they are overrated. I think the same this is happening with Lance. Everytime he played a top player he always played great. I look for him to put up big numbers at Cincinatti and eventually be a lotto pick

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Great point

I agree...However, Lance really does have an issue and it's his attitude. "This was a typical week from Stephenson (#7 Scout, #9 Rivals, #8 ESPN) from what we’ve come to expect over the past few years. First he missed his flight, arriving here late. Then he made a big fuss out his college announcement, canceling and rescheduling it multiple times, much to the chagrin of the organizers, until he eventually called a press conference to announce that he has nothing to announce.

On the court, it was much of the same: bad shots, selfish play, terrible body language, cheap shots to the opposition, plenty of turnovers, predictably followed by him visibly blaming others for his own mistakes. The more other members of this class continue to catch up as far as physical development is concerned, the less Stephenson’s ability to overpower his way to the basket works. He repeatedly tried to bulldozer his way into the lane over the course of this week, and only saw mixed results in the process, due to his inability to play above the rim. His jump-shot wasn’t falling, and he only seemed to pass as either a last resort or when he had a chance to make himself look good with a highlight reel caliber assist.

The talent is obviously there, as Stephenson showed from time to time, particularly on the pick and roll, but the question marks continue to grow. It’s difficult to understand why recruiting services such as Clark Francis’ HoopScoop rank him as the #1 overall prospect in this class, but only time will tell if they are correct."

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ps. i would love to see him

ps. i would love to see him play point guard, similar to tyreke evans. This kid is a competetive freak who dominates opponents. Go back and look at the Elite 24 game at rucker, every year he played he was one of the most impressive players there. Someone above said it best, he is the most competetive high school player ive ever seen and all he needs is the right coach to help him channel that competetiveness the right way

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Stephenson is sort of like

Stephenson is sort of like Crawford, with out the crazy handle.

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i seen him play since he was a h.s. frosh

and i think he is somewhat in the lbj mold. however, i dont think he will be as great as lbj. but if he has a fine season in cincy, which i think he will, i think he will enter this lottery where i see him as a lottery pick.

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I couldn't agree more with

I couldn't agree more with the comments about his competitivenes. The first time that I saw Lance play was the summer after his eigth grade year in Kingdome, he was playing against established proven MEN who were trying to muscle him. There was a point where he was posting up in the paint and just gave the guy guarding him a hard elbow that might as well have been a punch to the chest so non chalantly and kept on playing, it was such a veteran move and the kid was only 14. You don't see 8th graders with the balls or ability to do that to 25 year old men, I was sold on him from that point on. I hear a lot of talk about his not having incredible athleticism but his heart and will to win are so far past any of these other kids out here. Everyone also says that he won't be able to bully people at the next levels, I respectfully disagree, all you have to do is look at what Ron Ron has been able to do at the NBA level and Lance is WAY more advanced than Ron was at this stage. I've watched him play every summer against NBA and overseas players and he's been a problem already for years. Personallly I think he will have more trouble adapting to the College game than he will to the NBA. All of our tournaments are NBA rules and that is what he has grown up playing he has always been by far the youngest player on his teams and has grown up playing isolation and work 1 side of the floor 2 man game basketball, he already knows many of the nuances of the NBA style that none of these country bumkin All-Americans have a clue about. I admit he doesn't have a great attitude but I think a lot of it is misconstrued and just comes off wrong because he just wants to win so bad. Also I personally don't think that he has much respect for his peers because of the level that he's been playing on for so long, he doesn't think that they are on his level. If he can just straighten his head out and somewhat get out of his "gotta get mine" mentality that just gets instilled in you growing up playing in this city and especially Brooklyn players I think he can be a problem. I really like the Paul Pierce comparison, people get so enamored with off the charts athleticism but people don't realize how crafty this kid is and just because he doesn't jump out the gym don't get it twisted on what kind of athlete he is.

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