Bruce Bowen officially retires from the NBA
Im gonna miss all of his dirty plays, as much as i disliked him..
and for the sake of an argument...he does have 3 rings, and was a defensive specialist and key player for the Spurs...is he a HOFer?
He was a classic over achiever. He wasn't the most hearlded player coming into the NBA but he worked hard, found a 3-point shot and played tough defense. Not bad for someone not many people cared much for early on. He proved that with dedication you can have a long, substantial career.
Dhamp...the greatest basketball mind in the world. Next to Hubie Brown anyway.
Thank god, one of my least favorite players of All Time. Glad he is gone for good.
Can't take away what hes accomplished though....wouldnt say hes a HOF though but made a great career out of tough(dirty) defense and hard work with minimal abillities
at making premeditated dirty plays seem unintentional. there will never be anybody who can make a dirty play as well as him.
HELL TO DA NAW!!! HE'S NO HALL OF FAMER!! BUT U HAVE TO GIVE HIM HIS PROPS FOR CARVING HIMSELF A DECENT CAREER...HE HAD WAAAAAAAAAAAY TOO MANY FLAWS..HIS COMPETITIVE SPIRIT ALLOWED HIM TO LAST THAT LONG.HE KNEW DEFENSE HAD TO BE HIS BREAD & BUTTER...IF HE WANTED TO STICK AROUND..THAT'S WHY HE WENT OVERBOARD WITH HIS PLAY ON DEFENSE AND SOMETHING USED DIRTY & CHEAP TRICKS TRYING TO STOP PLAYERS FROM SCORING
Bruce Bowen was the man. but definitely no HOF'er
one f the most usefull players of all time, never had the best stats, but always helped the team
He will never be in the Hall of Fame, but I don't know if he should not be considered. His stats are below most NBA players, but what he did on the floor was often close to amazing, especially his defensive work. Sure there were some dirty plays. Most of those seemed to creep up towards the end of his career, but he thoroughly shut a lot of guys down and did so by guarding multiple positions. He was a crucial part of the Spurs championships. Guys like him get overlooked because they don't put up wonderful numbers or make all star teams. I'm not sure I would vote for him if I had a vote, but I wouldn't just dismiss him so quickly.
By the way, Robert Horry should be a Hall of Famer. Multiple time champion for many teams that would not have done so without him. He is a playoff legend. To me the playoffs are when it really counts. I don't care about your scoring titles or regular season MVP's. Let me know what you do when something is on the line. I also think that Rodman is a guy that should get in, but I know he never will. Too much weight is given to guys that just score and there are a ton of those in the NBA.
Haha , there were games when he had more low-blows then points.
I disagree doubledribbler, I don't think Bowen should be considered for the HOF at all. If he gets in then it will really tarnish the credibility of the HOF. I don't think Horry should be in either.
i dont think anyone said hes a hall of famer...and even though im a laker fan robert horry is not a hof yes he hit clutch shots and was a specialist but hof are for those who dominate or at least second option dominate to a player who was very dominate. not to take away from horry but hes no hall of famer.
and bruce bowen will be missed..for someone who wasnt very skilled he made a nice career and got rings and most importantly got alot of money to take care of him his family
I was referring to Dribbler who said he thinks he might be considered, which I don't agree with. I have mad respect for any player who worked hard and got the most out of their skills. But I don't think him being considered is even a question.
I'm just saying that I think he should be considered. He may not have the numbers, but that's why you watch the games. The guy was a game changer everytime he went out onto the court. Maybe he didn't score the 30 points or dunk on people, but he forced countless turnovers and bad shots by the other teams best player.
To me, this is just another example of under valuing defense. His defense is that more impressive when you consider all of these hand checking rules that they have in place to aid offensive players. It seems like you can be a great offensive player and you get all kinds of looks at the hall of fame, even if you play absolutely no defense. A defensive guy that has skills that are equivalent to the offensive guys doesn't tend to get the same looks, especially if his numbers don't look a certain way. One of the things that I really like about Europe is that the MVP isn't always the guy that scores the most points, but the guy who helps to win the most.
With Robert Horry, it has to do with what he did and when he did it. Along with the number of rings. To me the hall of fame is about greatness and the guy showed it numerous times. Don't we get on guys for not doing anything in the playoffs? We got a guy like Tracy McGrady that has never gotten out of the 1st round and he's going to be a hall of famer. We have a guy like Iverson who the only time he has done anything was when he had a hall of fame coach and a bunch of guys that did all the dirty work. The guy does not play well with anyone of any true skill, but he's going to be a hall of famer. I'm not saying they are not worthy of the honor, but I think everything needs to be taken into context.
are youy even considering the teams horry was on..its easy to say all that when hes on a team like the spurs and the lakers..how about you switch horry and mcgrady and see if mcgrady gets rings. theres alot of players on championship teams that are a key piece to them winning but that doesnt make them a hall of famer. theres nothing wrong with the criteria for the hall of fame and unlike basebase you dont hear a bunch of complaints about it. there are alot of guys who just score who dont make it to the hall of fame. leaders make it to the hall of fame not just scorers. guys who have changed countless games for many years as well as hit big shots are the ones who make it. i cant think of one hall of famer who id put horry or bowen near there level. i cant even think of one hall of famer who did nothing but score and nothing else at all( played zero defense or lead there team somewhere etc) its also not a given that mcgrady is in the hall of fame which has been discussed plenty of times by the sports networks. bowen and horry were good parts to championship teams anbd helped them but in no way were they the main guys or second nor leader of the teams
Good parts? I think that's an understatement. We would be seeing a lot fewer championships in Houston, San Antonio and LA without these guys. Maybe the guys didn't win the MVP of the finals, but their teams wouldn't have gotten to that point without them. Feel free to insert some random guy, but when it all comes down to it, we have to talk about who was on the team and not the what if we just add another superstar because we could make the case for numerous teams and it would change a lot of legacies if we did that. Even then, that doesn't always work. Remember the GP/Karl Malone experiment in LA? They had a Hall of fame coach, veterans, two of if not the best two players in the league and they won nothing.
for one they were already past there prime and 2 injuries. im sorry but you wont find anyone that votes for the hall of fame have either one on there ballot. not even close..but its good that you have faith in them. its just that in reality its never ever gonna happen
the Malone/ GP comparison is unfair because Malone was terrific in the playoffs. He had a 30 point game agianst Houston. He played great D on Duncan and KG. BUt he was injured in the Finals and only played in like 2 games for a total of 20 minutes. If he had been able to go, it might have been a different series. I still have nightmare watching Rasheed light up Slava Madvedenko for 5 games.
As for Horry, look, I'm a Laker fan I absolutely appreciate what he brought to the table. But he never took over games are led the teams he was on. He was a verry solid player who knocked down big shots. I mena he won titles with guys like Olajuwon, Drexler, Shaq, Kobe, Duncan, Manu, Parker. Just to say because he has titles, I think that would be unfair to a lot of guys who were better players but didn't have the same level of help.
What did Horry do in Phoenix with the Suns? Nothing but throw a towel in Danny Ainge's face on national television and force his way out of town.
i mean i know stats arent everything but 7pts 4reb and 2ast a game is hall of famer?..and i forgot about him in phx when he didnt have all stars all around him
If he gets in the HOF, then so should Mark Madsen.
so now that bowen is gone, who is the dirtiest, hard workind, lock down defender in the NBA. A guy who just focuses on defense and is what he is known for.
Dahntay Jones defintiely has the dirty part down. If he wins a couple titles, he will be Bowen 2.0