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What makes top 5 in the league i need to kno

People on this site need to explain what the top 5 in the league is cause the only 2 people that should be thought of all the time is Kobe or LBJ the rest of that three is up or down i thought that the olympic dream team starting 5 was the best 5 in the league that would be

Ok everyone kno J Kidd Started cause he was a vet but he didn't play that much. CP3 or Dwill; toss up neither one started
Kobe
LBJ
Melo
D Howard

IMO this is the top 5 in the league

If you got a different list explain why Cut all the points Sh#t out and keep it 100


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I think just going by the

I think just going by the starting Olympic lineup is not the way to go. To me, a great player is someone who has an all around impact on the game at both ends. Getting theirs and shutting the opponent down. Getting teammates involved. They can carry a team for stretches and draw most the attention from the opposing defense.

My list would be:

Kobe
Lebron
wade
Paul
Howard

Guys like Roy, Melo, Dirk, Duncan and maybe a few others just miss out

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1.) Lebron 2.)Kobe 3.) D

1.) Lebron
2.)Kobe
3.) D Wade
4.) CP3
5.) Dwight Howard

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In this up coming season i

In this up coming season i think the best five is kobe,LBJ,D howard, Melo, Dwill. I dont see other players coming at them when the 5 i named come to ball they dont get in no shootouts or nothing they dominate. Cp3 get the bizness handled to him when other pgs come to town Ex Dwill, Billups .Wade the same way last year Joe Johnson ans J Smoove was embrassing him on his own court he said it.

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Chris Paul is one of the top

Chris Paul is one of the top five players in the NBA, a spot behind Lebron James, Kobe Bryant and Dwyane Wade.

I'll throw a few sabermetrics at you, to start the debate:

PER:

  1. LeBron James 31.7
  2. Dwyane Wade 30.4
  3. Chris Paul 30.0
  4. Dwight Howard 25.4
  5. Tim Duncan 24.4
  6. Kobe Bryant 24.4 

Win Shares:

  1. LeBron James 19.6
  2. Chris Paul 17.5
  3. Dwyane Wade 14.4
  4. Pau Gasol 14.3
  5. Dwight Howard 13.9
  6. Kobe Bryant 13.0 

Duncan and Gasol, in my opinion, are both top-10 players. Bryant can be afforded some leeway statistically because his teammates were so good he didn't need to be a stud every night, but I know few people who would argue he isn't a top-five player.

But as you can see, Paul clearly has an enormous affect on the game. He ranked eighth in defensive win shares while pushing James in offensive win shares. He was second behind Gasol in Offensive Rating.

Oh, and he plays the most important position on the floor: the one that has the ball the most.

For the record, Deron Williams is not close to Paul in any sabermetrical measure. He ranked 12th in Offensive Win Shares and didn't crack the top-20 in any other category mentioned. His PER was a solid, All-Star-worthy 21.1. He also clearly does not affect a game in the same way Paul does, but I've tried to use the eye test as an argument in the Paul/Williams debate and it doesn't work.

Here's some further perspective for you: best single-season PERs every by point guards, according to basketball-reference.com:

  1. Chris Paul, 2008-09 - 29.96
  2. Chris Paul, 2007-08 - 28.31
  3. Oscar Robertson, 1963-64 - 27.64
  4. Magic Johnson, 1988-89 - 26.92
  5. Oscar Robertson, 1964-65 - 26.68

When NBA analysts on 82games.com, ESPN and other sites claim Paul is budding into one of the great point guards ever, they mean it. Steve Nash, in his two MVP seasons, wasn't close to as good as Paul has been the last two years, albeit Paul was overshadowed by Kobe and LeBron.

If he can stay healthy for 10 more years, he could go down as one of the top 15 players ever. Don't look past him. 

As far as the Deron Williams vs. Chris Paul debate: There is none. Paul is miles ahead of Williams. Williams may have a longer prime, but for now, it's not even close. 

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As far as my top players

As far as my top players list, I rank them:

  1. LeBron James
  2. Dwyane Wade
  3. Chris Paul
  4. Kobe Bryant
  5. Dwight Howard
  6. Tim Duncan
  7. Dirk Nowitzki
  8. Kevin Garnett
  9. Carmelo Anthony
  10. Brandon Roy

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Interesting post but I don't

Interesting post but I don't think Paul will be able to crack top 15 all-time. If he can get traded or they can give him a better supporting cast then Possibly, he still needs a MVP award, and at least 1 Ring, and with his team now I can't see him getting either soon at all.

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IMO 1) Kobe Bryant 2) Dwayne

IMO
1) Kobe Bryant
2) Dwayne Wade
3) Lebron James
4) Chris Paul
5) Dwight Howard

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To me, I think that Chris

To me, I think that Chris Paul is probably with Wade and LBJ in the top class of guys who can carry a team by themselves to some success, but in terms of whether or not they'll ever be part of championship squads... i just don't know (besides wade, who i think is more able to be successul while running off the ball, or at least not having the ball all the time)

CP3 and LBJ can certainly carry a team, and LBJ may well end up winning a title by himself, but I just don't know if they'll ever be able to win it (CP3 esp.) cuz like SDE said, he can be shut down, esp in an unfavorable matchup in a 7 game series

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Mike, I agree with you. I

Mike, I agree with you. I just also believe if Paul can stay roughly this good for 10 more years, he'll probably eventually have teammates better than David West and Tyson Chandler.

So yeah, he does need to win a title to crack top-15 ever. The only player on that list that doesn't have one is Karl Malone, and he's the No. 2 scorer all-time and made two NBA Finals. Even so, some people feel Malone doesn't deserve top-15 ever.

For the record (and because I love making lists), best players without rings:

  1. Karl Malone
  2. Elgin Baylor*
  3. Charles Barkley
  4. Allen Iverson
  5. Patrick Ewing
*Baylor has one from 1972, but he didn't play a single playoff game and only played nine regular season games that year, his last in the league. Then again, the guy would have had at least two if it hadn't been for the Celtics. 

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Man ! T-Mac would at be top

Man ! T-Mac would at be top of that list if his carreer wasn't soo injury plagued , it's sad really. Otherwise great list, but I would have A.I. First or second to Baylor.

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Lebron James #1

Lebron James is without question the top player in the NBA, and if the Cavs won the championship there wouldnt be a debate from anyone. Kobe and Wade to be are 2 and 2a but lack the size and court vision that makes LBJ #1. After that you can put who you want, and I agree Paul gets the spot. Adi Joseph gave a good portion of the statistical analysis, but consider this. Hes lead the league in assists and steals the last two years while post a sub 3 turnover in every season. He's one of the best rebounders from the point guard position at barely 6 feet tall. And he's raised his scoring every year up to 23 points a game this year. his career averages looks something like this 20 point, 10 asts, 5 rebs, 2.5 stls, and 2.5 turnovers, all while shooting 47% from the field, and 85% from the line. This guy is a consistant 3 point shot away from arguable the top point guard ever.

This is where the real debate begins in my mind. Howard, Duncan, Dirk, Carmelo, Garnett, and Durant have claims to the 5th spot, because each has their strengths and weaknesses, but based on who will have it next year its got to be Howard. He's the best defensive big in the league, the best rebounder in the league and still has no real offensive repertoire. Durant and Carmelo are tied behind him imo because their offensive games are as complete as anyone in the league and while Durant has more range, Carmelo is more versitile (Better rebounder, passer, man to man defender) Durant will probably average more steals and blocks coming of the weakside and clogging passing lanes, but I think Melo can guard just about any position straight up.

1. Lebron James
2. Kobe Bryant
3. Dwayne Wade
4. Chris Paul
5. Dwight Howard
6. Carmelo Anthony
7. Kevin Durant
8. Tim Duncan
9. Kevin Garnett
10. Dirk Nowitzki

Honorable Mention: Brandon Roy, Amare Stoudemire, Steve Nash, Deron Williams, Joe Johnson, Al Jefferson, Pau Gasol, Danny Granger

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Here are my Top 5's Top 5

Here are my Top 5's

Top 5 right now- James, Kobe, Wade, Paul, Howard

Top 5 all Time- Jordan, Wilt, Russell, Magic, Oscar

Top 5 Dunkers- Carter, Wilkins, Erving, Jordan, Kemp

Top 5 player who did not have a prime (or career) in the NBA- Len Bias (RIP), Connie Hawkins, Mel Daniels, Jay Williams, The GOAT (RIP)

There you go.

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Lebron and Kobe are the best

Lebron and Kobe are the best right now im not going lie if wade come back this year again he got me convince top 5; carmelo need this year too to cement hiself top 5; dwight get it by default, i think that the PG battle is going to heat up with all the talent coming in at that position i wont be suprise if someone make a name by going at CP3 or Dwill

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LMAO what happen Q Haynes

LMAO what happen Q Haynes you past me on points

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Mike, you'd really put

Mike, you'd really put Iverson ahead of Malone? Malone was as good a scorer (25.0 points per game even though he played til 40 and 12 seasons above 25 ppg), a significantly better defender, and he contributed on the glass. In addition, he played at a remarkably high level for a remarkably long time, remaining one of the NBA's top-10 players for 15 seasons.

In addition, I counter your argument about McGrady with an argument that Baylor might have been one of the top 5 players ever had he not suffered serious knee problems by his sixth year in the league, issues that both shortened his career and severely limited his athleticism in for the last 8 seasons of it. 

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My take on Iverson is that,

My take on Iverson is that, Malone was great, but he had pehaps one of the greatest PG's ever and probably the best passer in the past 20 years, to help him and set up all his scoring oppertuinty's and he still couldn't get the job done. Yes you can say but the Bulls and Mj..... but the Spurs and Lakersof this decade were very very dominant teams as well, as for scoring .....Iverson once averaged over 28 ppg for his CAREER , 3rd ALL-TIME, while leading a team of bums to the Finals and beating one of the most dominant teams ever, by his lonesome while scoring 48 and hitting a game Winner in the FINALS
just my opinion

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Iverson's career average

Iverson's career average right now is 27.1. Yet at age 33, he's already clearly taken a major dive.

At age 33, Malone was at the height of his game and would remain there for four more years.

Does longevity not count for anything? Especially when it's pretty clear that if Iverson doesn't retire soon, his average will surely shoot below 25.0, Malone's career average. Certainly, it's tough to imagine Iverson being nearly as useful at age 40 as Malone was for the Lakers in his final season.

In addition, it's REALLY not fair to hold it against a player that he played with great players. For all but two seasons, Magic Johnson played with Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, arguably the greatest center ever. In addition, they also teamed up with James Worthy, another member of the NBA's 50 greatest, for eight seasons.

We don't hold it against them.

There was never and will never be an argument that Malone wasn't the Jazz's best player. I would argue - and this is for another day - that Stockton was a bit overrated as a result of the system he played in and the fact that he had one of the NBA's all-time great scorers as a teammate.

I'm also going to bring up the fact that Iverson only once ever reached a PER for a single season (25.9 in 2005-06) as high as Malone's career PER (23.9). This, despite the fact that PER is largely predicated on offensive production. So Malone's incredible abilities as a hard-nosed low post defender aren't even factored in. 

In summation, I can respectfully disagree with your belief that Iverson had a better prime than Malone. But I cannot believe you would say Iverson had a greater career. To make such an argument is to completely devalue longevity and cold hard statistics in favor of preferring a guy who had the ball in his hands much more often simply because he played the right position.

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Let Me Reply To This ( Mine

Let Me Reply To This ( Mine is in BOLD )

Iverson's career average right now is 27.1. Yet at age 33, he's already clearly taken a major dive.

At age 33, Malone was at the height of his game and would remain there for four more years.

THEIR STYLES OF PLAY ARE DIFFERENT THATS WHY, YOU CAN SAY THE SAME ABOUT EVERY OTHER PLAYER THAT RELIES HEAVILY ON HIS SPEED AND ATHLETICISM TO GET TO THE RIM. IVERSON WAS MEANT TO BE IN PHILLY HIS WHOLE CAREER AND WHEN HE LEFT HE CRUMBLED, I BLAME THE DIVE IN POINTS AND OVERALL PLAY TO A CULTURE CHANGE THAT SHOULD HAVE NEVER HAPPENED

Does longevity not count for anything? Especially when it's pretty clear that if Iverson doesn't retire soon, his average will surely shoot below 25.0, Malone's career average. Certainly, it's tough to imagine Iverson being nearly as useful at age 40 as Malone was for the Lakers in his final season.

YEAH LIKE I SAID STYLE OF PLAY.

In addition, it's REALLY not fair to hold it against a player that he played with great players. For all but two seasons, Magic Johnson played with Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, arguably the greatest center ever. In addition, they also teamed up with James Worthy, another member of the NBA's 50 greatest, for eight seasons.

We don't hold it against them.

There was never and will never be an argument that Malone wasn't the Jazz's best player. I would argue - and this is for another day - that Stockton was a bit overrated as a result of the system he played in and the fact that he had one of the NBA's all-time great scorers as a teammate.

IM NOT HOLDING IT AGAINST HIM, IM JUST SAYING HE HAD OTHERS CREATE FOR HIM ON TONS OF HIS BUCKETS MAINLY ONE OF THE GREATEST PG'S IN THE LAST 20 YRS, IVERSON ON THE OTHER HAND HAD TO DO EVERYTHING AND ANYTHING HIMSELF, AS FOR MALONE BEING THE JAZZ BEST PLAYER YEAH HE WAS BUT I DONT THINK STOCKTON WAS GREAT BECAUSE JUST OF MALONE EITHER.

I'm also going to bring up the fact that Iverson only once ever reached a PER for a single season (25.9 in 2005-06) as high as Malone's career PER (23.9). This, despite the fact that PER is largely predicated on offensive production. So Malone's incredible abilities as a hard-nosed low post defender aren't even factored in.

In summation, I can respectfully disagree with your belief that Iverson had a better prime than Malone. But I cannot believe you would say Iverson had a greater career. To make such an argument is to completely devalue longevity and cold hard statistics in favor of preferring a guy who had the ball in his hands much more often simply because he played the right position.

DON'T KNOW MUCH ABOUT PER BUT I WILL CHECK IT OUT SOOOO...... PRIME A.I. > PRIME MALONE.
AGED A.I. < MALONE

JUST MY OPINION

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Malone and Iverson is a

Malone and Iverson is a tough argument. But as for career, I would go with the Mail Man. His passing, defense, and overall bball IQ was off the charts. Iverson was an MVP who in his prime may have been better, but career should defintley go to Malone. Malone really didn't have any weaknesses. He was able to adjust to playing below the rim late in ihs career and he was still an all-star.

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Im not taking anything away

Im not taking anything away from the mailman but A.I. in his Philly days was unhuman,especially in 2001. I would just take A.I..

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Iverson's Philly teams

Iverson's Philly teams missed the playoffs his last three seasons with the 76ers. Malone's teams never missed the playoffs. Not once in his entire career.

He won two MVP awards, beating Jordan for one of them. He was an 11x All-NBA first-teamer. 

I don't mean to sound like an &$#%#&@!, but you really are stretching this argument and sounding much more like a fan than an analyst. If what a player does in his prime is more important than what he does in his entire career, then Tracy McGrady must be a better player than Magic Johnson. 

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look man, it's just a

look man, it's just a constructive disagreement, if i seem like im just talking frm a fans point of view than so be it. Actually i am a very big fan of Malone , but I just think A.I. was the better player.

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