2 year rule?
I was watching ESPN and some of the NBA guys were talking about when the NBA discuss new rules in 2010, The College Rule will most likely be pushed to 2 years. Do you think it's a fair rule?
I do. I think (more like know) some of these college athletes cheat and you only have to do well in college for 1 semester then your home free. NO. I think if the rule gets pushed back to 2 years, we will see college kids focusing on their grades and such then basketball and no grades, no play.
many star recruits cheat thier way to keep their grades up on test and wat not to play in a top 5 skool
I like it if they let the people come out of high school go to the NBA and if you go to college you have to stay 2 years. But, if you they dont let the players come out of high school go straight to the NBA and make them go to college 2 years I think that is very unfair forpeople like OJ Mayo and Derrick Rose who didnt want to play in college and then made there programs get in alot of trouble.
No I don't think it's fair, tey should be able to fulfill their dreams whenever they want.
3 years is a little much.
I can't believe that we're considering the 3 year rule for the sake of getting these guys degrees. I'm not trying to be racist, but most one and done basketball players are not the greatest students. If you look into it, most of the top high school recruits do not have good enough grades to get a decent degree. On top of that, these NCAA basketball players are often given special permission to take courses which do not pertain to.... anything For example, Carmelo Anthony was allowed to take a course on walking or something of the nature. These basketball players' degrees will not allow them to get decent jobs because by the time they are done with basketball, they will be older than 30 with a bachelor's degree and ZERO relevant work experience This puts them at a great disadvantage with potential employers. If you look closely at recently retired NBA players, very few of them have actual jobs based off of their "degrees"; most of them own their own businesses and make money that way. In brief, it doesn't really matter if these NBA players have degrees or not.
food for thought:
If this rule is applied, how will it affect the interantional draft class? Will internationals have to be 20 or 21 when they declare?
u can become a pro golfer under age... Same in tennis... U can go to military at 18... U should be able to play PRO right out of HS IMO... Its ridiculous to think otherwise.
I think that all pro sports should have the same requirments. Right now NFL is asking for 3 years of college, NBA is at 1 year. MLB and NHL can take them straight from High School, but they still have to wait two to three years in the minor league systems before they make it to the big league.
I don't think the NBA is looking out for the players behalf, I think it's a selfish reason. Meaning they aren't saying go to school to get an education, it's more go develop more before I bring you in my business not knowing how you would turn out. If the NBA is worried on if the High School kids are talented enough to play right away, maybe they should tweek the NBDL to allow the High School players to play there for a year or two.
I believe if they go to a two year wait, we will see alot more players going overseas to play professionally before they go to the NBA. And you never know, some of these players just might like playing in Italy more than Oklahoma City. Just a thought.
lol..basketball sucked when they went from highschool to the pros?..are you serious..basketball didnt suck it was still good , i dont know what you are talking about. also this isnt a regular job so you cant say " in a regular job you have top go to school" you dont need to learn what they teach you in college to play basketball its that simple. and pushing it too 2 years wont cause people to stop cheating. football players stay 3 years and they still cheat. you shouldnt make someone go to school when they dont want to because all that does it makes a higher risk for the college to end up getting penalized for the kid accepting money because thats exactly what is happening with some of these star athletes. the 2 year rule benifits college and the fans the most. yes it benifits some of the players but as a player i rather learn from playing in the pros then in college. if it was so bad then how come some of the star off today or the majority of the top stars are straight to pro players?..kobe,lebron,dwight howard.... yeah some peopel will try to use the ..well what about the players that have made it. well lets see...most of those players are making 6 figures for three months of basketball tax free overseas...hmmmmmm...and what about the players that go to college go to the nba and then suck???..who are the five worst players in the nba right now?..and how come theres not a big out cry about euros playing pro at 16 years old then comming to play in the nba without going to college?..wheres the out cry of rubio having to go to college or the next young euro sensation??..
i agree darkman except for the they should all have 3 years thing...we all know the nfl has it because of how physical it is. thats just awhole nother animal there
MLB and NHL can take them straight from High School, but they still have to wait two to three years in the minor league systems before they make it to the big league. (they dont have to do that).... its teams choice on how long to keep in minors.. That guy the nats drafted / signed could start tomorrow..
This is my opinion on the matter. I think you should be able to leave during high school or have to wait 2 years. Similar to baseball but a little but shorter. But if you want to enter straight out of high school, you have to meet with the commish and be a top 20 recruit in the nation to be accepted.
This is a very broad topic........ I disagree that college players should have to stay in college for two years. Players such as Lebron and Carmelo have shown they were ready for the NBA at an early age. What if they would have stayed in college and tore an ACL like Eric Devendorf?
Also, Paul Harris of Syracuse went undrafted in June. But had he declared for the draft out of high school in 2005, he would have been a first-round selection with millions in the bank. Even if he had failed, he would have enough money to provide for his child. Instead, he's been following around Jonny Flynn. He waited two years for his highschool teammate to come to SU and now Flynn had a major part in Harris playing with the Timberwolves summer league team. If Harris is lucky, he'll earn minimum wage as an NBA player this year, having lost out on millions.
Due to scouts and money hungry coaches, scouts, basketball gurus, etc., many players have been overhyped and flopped in the NBA, but the decision was theirs to make with different family and basketball experts helping with advice.
Keeping someone like Lebron in college for two years in unjustified. It was apparent by his second year in the NBA, he's was one of the better players in the league.
Dhamp...the greatest basketball mind in the world. Next to Hubie Brown anyway.
Let the NBA make a mandatory rule of three years, you know whats going to happen? Some international team is going to cut them a check and their going to play overseas for three years. Bye Bye college basketball. Lets see force a HS player to play for three years or sign a contract and play overseas for 3 mil. I hope they don't do this, because families will make better provisions for HS plays to play overseas. And enhance the quality of the international league.
Bye bye college Bball.
MLB kids can go from HS to pros....
But how many kids go directly from HS to the Major League team? Not alot, they go to the minors
One was enough and still debateble. Please, NBA keep it at one. I know it helps College Basketball, but I think it's best the way it is.
Oh yeah, if my brother can put his life on the line for OUR country at age 18, then basketball players should be able to play in the NBA at the same age.
Dhamp...the greatest basketball mind in the world. Next to Hubie Brown anyway.
i mean as a fan wo wouldnt love to see kevin durant or mike beasley, d rose play for another year but thats pretty selfish of me. As far as the nba why cant they just let the team decided...if they felt a player is soooo not ready then dont draft him. dont complain aout how hs players arent ready then draft them and market them as the face of youre leauge. basically just let them come out of highschool and if they arent first round picks then assign them to a nbdl team or let them go to college. as i recall isnt that what the nbdl was suppossed to be for?
I know I said that they HAVE to go to the minor league systems for two or three years. I really know that it's not a requirement for them to go, but how many actually go from HS starting out field to New York Yankee in 8 months? Same with the player the microwave was talking about, I know nothing about him only that he's suppose to be really good but I'll bet ya "the microwave" that he won't be on the starting rotation without playing in A, AA, or AAA baseball first. Just a thought.
That's true because if Jrue Holiday could have come out of Highschool he'd been a Top 5 Pick, but he wasn't allowed. Also I would have loved to see Durant, Augustin, James, Pittman, and Abrams together last year. Heck, can you imagine if Aldridge stayed his Senior Year, I think he came out a Junior.
2 Years Ago
PG - Augustin
SG - Abrams
SF - Durant
PF - Aldridge
C - Atchley
I realize alot of other schools could have had success like this, but it's just I've had to run through my minds plenty of times. I don't think 3 years is good, but I like the one-year rule. Although after reading over, two years wouldn't seem so bad and College Basketball would be more enjoyable and have lots of talent.
Also, help me out here
NO ONE SAYS HE HAS TO GO TO THE ARMY OR NAVY AT 18...they can but they dont have to.
HS kids can go to the NBDL instead of college but they dont.
there were a Minor League System for Basketball then what happens to College Basketball?
I agree with 2 years. 3 to me is a little pushing it
If there were (like i been pushing for one)
College Basketball would be less watched I think
tooo bad college has never been amatuer or developmental..its about winning and making money for the school...the players arent put in a potion that is gonna help them get better for the nba in most cases..they are put in a position which will help the team win/coach keep his job..a 6'1 guy playing shooting guard instead of the coach putting him at the point to develop him to be a pg in the nba. who does the 2 year rule really help the players or the business that we call college basketball..and trust me some of the top players will be heading overseas 1 for the money and 2 for the fact that some wont get the grades and 3 they wil see how much you can drop from having some bad college games or season but you dont have to play that great (jennings) and still go pretty high in the draft. you actually come back a better player when you go overseas because you get more practice time you learn the fundamentals and you are going against professionals and former college stars night in and night out. and of course war isnt the same but work is the same..you can get many jobs with just a highschool degree. yes there are jobs that you need a college educaation but to play basketball you dont need one so why should a player who has the skills to work at the nba job have to go to college..makes no sense
Thats why the NBA needs to promote the NBDL and let these kids know that rule so some can enter early and get time at thier NBA position
exactly...but at the same time qhaynes put youre self in the position of a kid comming out of hs......you are said to be a top 10 pick, you decide you dont want college..the nbdl is set in place and they are paying max 35-40 thousand before taxs. youre other option is olmypiocus in greece that wants to pay you 150,000 tax free then after the season is over, even if you dont have the best of years, you can go in the draft. see the problem isnt just promoting the nbdl its also the pay
True, but if your gonna stay in college for 2 years then you will most likely stay overseas for 2 years...you wont play alot and your stock decreases...you get paid but you lose leverage in the NBA draft
jennings has shown that if you comming out of highschool you can go overseas and not dominate and youre stock wont drop. if jennings would have averaged that same 7pts, 3ast in college( doubt he would but just saying) he wouldnt have went as high. at least when you are overseas you can use the excuses of not playing real well because youre playing against better competition. thats another reason why some euros get drafted in the first or even second round with low stats yet guys who were all conference dont even get drafted. you only have to stay overseas for one year right now. if they do raise to 2 years you will stay for 2 years make a good 300 thousand while not having to worry much about youre stock dropping. and you will be more prepared for the nba then college guys because you alread have american skills and now youve learned some euro skills and techniques
Jennings could have went 4th in the draft if he went to college, he went to Italy and his stock fell to where he was a mid 1st rounder...it took alot of practices for him to get back up to be the 10th pick.
I think they should stay with one year. Sure it results in cheating, but if it was 2 years, I think even more cases of cheating would come out because it would mean the players would just have to cheat longer instead of just dropping out after the basketball season ends their first year.
Straight outta highschool sucked and 2 or 3 years is too long. Does anyone really want to see a Lebron type have to play in college for a bunch of years. I thought guys like Mayo, Durant, Love, and Rose showed that one year can do a lot to prepare them.
i said a lebron type, not an equal to lebron. There are plenty of guys that are ready for the nba after one year, and I named a couple already. OK, would you want to see Dwight Howard have to play 3 years, or DUrant or beasley, or rose, or lebron, or kobe or garnett or tmac or iverson or etc etc etc etc? And I'm sure there will be more players of their caliber to come.
I think it should be declare out of HS, or go to college for 2 years. But I do think if you should be able to declare after your out of HS, its a choice that you should be able to make. This is a statement thats very true and should be taken to account: College is not for everybody. If you dont think you are smart enough, or whatever the care may be, for college, take the Brandon Jennings/Jeremy Tyler route and go overseas.
STRAIGHT OUTTA HIGHSCHOOL- didn't work because too many unprepared kids were doing it. The GM's were investing millions of dollars without being able to properly evaluate these kids. Also, many kids weren't ready, and it can stunt their growth being given no minutes and having their confidence shot.
1 YEAR OF COLLEGE-Say what you want about them having a right to make money, the league is a billion dollar business, and it has the right to look out for it's best interest and make the kids play at higher level in order to be given a better chance to evaluate them. The kids are only losing one year which isn't much, and if they are really hard up for money, then they can always go to the nbdl or overseas. The colleges also benefit because they have the opportunity to make money off some big name players. And since it is just one year, the players only need to keep their nose clean until the season ends, then they can drop out and there is less likely to be cheating. This is the fairest way for all parties.
2+ YEARS OF COLLEGE-Kids are now being held from an opportunity to make money despite being ready. Numerous players have proven their worth in 1 year of college and have been ready to contribute immediately. The colleges would probably suffer, becuase this would allow more time for kids and programs to be caught for infractions. Plus, many would just leave for europe and develop over there.
actually SpencerIsHawesome many of thyem dont mind being away from there family ..im not sure where you get that info from ..the last 2 mcdonalds all american team players and the allstar game that they play in ny was asked about going overseas if offered 6 figures would that do it and 85percent said they would so not having family there isnt a issue. on top of that they can bring there family over with them with all the money they make just like jenninhgs did and just like tyler did( his uncle or father is going)..jennings fall had more to do with his attitude then it did his skill which was said by a poll by either hoops world or draft express and the same will probably happen to tyler because of his suppossed attitude..and you list the amir and martell webster and so on like they are horrible..just because they arent stars doesnt mean they made a bad decision. how many college players do you think i can name that stayed for 2-3 years came out early and ended up out of the leauge in a couple of years. you also say they arent ready for the mental part of the leauge...think about which players have caused the most trouble off the court,gotten in trouble or have a bad image...most if not all of those guys were guys who went to college right?..marbury,iverson,artest( on the court incident) latrell spree well. then look at all these guys who have also gotten in trouble in the nfl and continue to get in trouble even though they have gone to college for three years. theres no proof that guys that went to the nba out of highschool cant adapt to the nba. and the bodies not ready for the nba game makes zero sense..durant is smaller then josh smith. anthony randolph is smaller that brook lopez..if you have skills then youre size doesnt matter awhole lot. reggie miller was skinny his whole career yet is a hof. point being if you are good enough then there shouldnt be any reason you cant go straight to the nba.. the people who want them to go to college for 2,3 years are the selfish ones that just want to see the college game be more exciting so fans need to please stop making it seem like they really care for the players well being by saying they need to go to college to get more developed or help them for there career off the court" because if that was the case ya'll would also be talking about sue jacobs who is decideing to work at mcdonalds instead of going to college. personally id love to see great players play in college for more then one year but at the same time i know thats not fair to the player who is ready to go to there job(nba) and make money to take care of there family for life
i agree but in the nba you can survive without having youre body fully matured yet since the leauge isnt as physical as it used to be...now let it be in the 80's then id have to agree with you to a degree but right now it doesnt really affect the player too much.
I dont like the 1 year rule let alone a 2 year one I will use the old case of if you are old enough at 18 to fight and defend your country in the military then 18 should be good enough to play in the league I joined the airforce right after highschool at 18 to have a stable job I didnt think that college was for me at the time and for most of these kids college isnt for them they should have a choice its entertainment its not like they are running for congress if they have the skills to play then they should be given the opportunity if they succeed they do if they fail then they do but thats life.
I joined the airforce right after highschool at 18 to have a stable job
You joined it because you were allowed to. The NBA is not allowing these HS Kids to join. Plus the difference between you and these kids is that, These kids are given big money and there success effects other people's jobs.
I say have a baseball rule : HS kids can enter but you gotta go to the NBDL. If you dont enter from college, you go to college for 2 seasons
I don't see how making ppl go to college is relevant at all....
If you're going to get picked by an NBA team, than you should have to right to cash in while the getting is good! What if you have an injury? what if you fail to perform in college? if teams want to pick a guy, they should be able to pick him, regardless of if he's been to college.
implementing a HS/or 2 yrs in college rule just seems silly. why make them go to school for 2 Yrs! again, what if they have an injury, what if they don't perform as well in their 2nd yr! let people make their money when their stock is at its highest... saying HS/or 2yrs is just going to make more kids skip college cuz it;s a 2 yr commitment!
if you go from HS and get hurt....what are you gonna do then?
at least u got paid when u were healthy! if you make them go to college and then they get hurt, they never get paid
but if they're able to get an NBA contract, their best asset in life is most likely their basketball playing ability, and they're going to capitalize the most on their abilities by making it to the NBA to make a couple million dollars than getting a semi-worthless degree.
College isn't for everyone, and these kids shouldn't have to go to school to play in the NBA. Jermaine O'Neal, Kobe, KG, T-Mac, LeBron,. Dwight Howard and Monta Ellis all look pretty decent. The NCAA just got scared of losing all of the top high school players to the draft. You can't really compare it to MLB and NHL because the NBA doesn't have a good minor league system. The D-League is a joke.
MLB and NHL also aren't really comparable to the NBA because there are like 60% more ppl on an MLB or NHL roster...
Look at some of the college majors of some of today's NBA players. Psychology? Sociology? History? Political Science? GENERAL STUDIES?!? What are you gonna do with a bachelor's degree in these majors? The NBA sets them up for life. They make their millions, retire and open up some businesses.
Yea, I agree with Spencer. Your 2 years into a degree, get a degree and do what you gotta do.
I think the NBDL would be buzzing more with the HS kids there. You wanna get paid quick, you can get paid in the NBDL and for the final 32 games...you can go to the NBA roster. (The NBDL season is 50 games)
seriously.... a bachelor's degree basically gets you the right... to go to grad school. lol. especially in today's market.
The only way you can get a decent job with a bachelor's degree is with a degree in the health care field, engineering, accounting or if you have "connections".
BTW, just because a guy is listed as a sophomore by his respective university doesn't mean that he's actually a sophomore. There's a very real possibility that he might exhaust his eligibility without earning a degree.
for all you high schoolers... ACCOUNTING IS WHAT'S UP! (in terms of always having job opportunities...) and as far as keeping doors open for jobs in the future.
expand the D-League. They need to make it a real minor league system like the MLB and NHL. You can not compare the NBA to NFL. Someone said the NFL is a different animal, 100% true. The NBA should have every team have 1-2 teams per franchise. This would allow guys to jump from high school, and experience professional life for what it is before making it to the big show. Making very little, traveling 8 hours to games by bus, etc. This will harden guys where they will understand what it means to earn something, instead of guy playing in full venues failing. As a Knicks fan a guy like Danilo on a structured DLeague team for 2 years and be a rookie at 21 could be something, but he's sitting on the bench and now hurt, but prob won't be a fully developed player until 24-25 or if ever. That's my view.
minor leagues just won't work in the nba... 1)that's what college basketball is 2)there are only 15 roster spots in the nba and most contracts are guaranteed~ there's just not a whole lot of room for shuffling rosters.