Chris Bosh and the Toronto Raptors
Obviously many people have their takes on what the result of the 2010 Free Agency saga will be.
One of the biggest targets of the media and rumors is Chris Bosh. Many people think that he will choose to leave, while others think he will stay. My thought on the topic would be that now with the roster the way it is, he would choose to stay since his connection to the city is already quite strong and he has developed a niche here.
One reason I don't find as a valid point to thinking Bosh will leave is that the bench is quite empty?
I would like to know what makes people think that? This summer Bryan Colangelo has been the hardest working General manager in the league, and has completely overhauled the entire raptors roster while addressed every weak point on the team from last year. On the current roster there are only 3 players that were on the roster at last year's training camp, Bosh, Bargnani, and Calderon. With the line-up below, I don't see what others see, in saying that the supporting staff for Bosh is not a selling point to remain in the city.
PG - Jose Calderon
SG - DeMar DeRozan
SF - Hedo Turkoglu
PF - Chris Bosh
C - Andrea Bargnani
PG - Jarrett Jack, (Marcus Banks possibly traded for Matt Carroll), Quincy Douby
SG - Marco Belinelli, Antoine Wright, Quincy Douby
SF - (Matt Carroll), Antoine Wright, Sonny Weems
PF - Reggie Evans, Amir Johnson
C - Rasho Nesterovic, Patrick O'Bryant
With the Starting line up set except for the SG position, where they can start DeRozan, Belinelli or Wright. The starting line up can match with many of the top teams in the league, and their bench is quite deep and has proven talent.
I just don't see how people think the supporting roster isn't a good point on the list for Bosh to remain with the team.
Just want to hear what you all think. And please don't shoot down other's opinions, just express your own views. Thanks
If Bellinelli will be consistent and DeRozan and Amir Johnson won't become busts, they have a great deep bench and a very talented starting 5, if everything goes all right, they'll be 4-5 in the east.
Not enough for a championship though, only if DeRozan, Johnson and Bellinelli will become better and reliable enough
I agree, I'm pretty sure on another topic someone said the Raptors do not have any depth and the bench is empty. They have to be crazy. Clearly the Raptors have a deep bench. Every player on the bench can do something really well.
Jarrett Jack - Solid backup PG and can take up minutes at SG also (versatile). He can drive, shoot (his 3pt% was a career high last year).
Marco Bellinelli - Young, a lot of potential and if he can step up his game, we have instant scoring if Bosh/Turkoglu/Bargnani are on the bench.
Reggie Evans - Toughness and rebounding. Something the Raptors lacked a lot last year.
Quincy Douby - Summer league was impressive, lets see what he can do this year.
Rasho Nesterovic - Solid big man and I mean solid. When he previously played on the Raptors he could pass and has a nice outside jumper for a player his size.
Antoine Wright - Solid defense and can put in some points aswell.
I can say that the Toronto Raptors supporting roster is pieced really well. I don't think Bosh can complain with that kind of help coming of the bench, not to mention the help he'll receive with the other starting four. Bosh better work as hard as he can with the roster he has if he hopes to accomplish anything this year. Colangelo did his job, now its up the team to do the rest.
isn't the type of player who can lead a team
The Toronto Raptors probably on there best nights rival the Lakers Offesively (besides when you factor in Kobes best). But the only problem i see with them that is unsolved or that i have i dont know yet is how good are they defensively... If anyone has any clues please explain
score 81 against them? LOL. I know it's a different team, I was just kidding.
Toronto will surprise ppl this year but it will becaz of Calderon, Derozan, Bargnani, Turkoglu not Bosh he's consistent with his play for the most part.
He's not a max player, overrated on defense, consistent 20 pt scorer though with good range and a great ft shooter for a big man. He's had only a handful of 40 pt games in his career and aveages only 1 block a game.
the raps have a strong strong team now we will see if bosh can really lead a team deep in the playoffs, there are no more excuses for him and the raps
Top 4 team but they dont have the skill to compete with a Cleveland, Boston or Orlando
with the raptor quad, i don't see them as a playoff team, at best a boardline 8th seed. yes, turkoglu addresses their problem with a perimeter go-to guy, but derozen is still very raw. in my mind, he isnt ready to start. i don't see much depth in their bench either, other than Jarrett Jack. i have to agreee with kevindurantrocks, the can score, but they still have many problems on defense, except for maybe antoine wright.
bosh and bargs are both great perimeter big men. but their big men, including rasho, lack toughness down low, other than reggie evans, but even he is limited while on the court, offensively and defensively.
i'm sorry, i just don't really see this raptor team making the playoffs, let alone winning 50+ games like some of u predicted. i think the race goes like this:
1. cavs 2.magic 3.celtics 4.washington 5.atlanta 6.chicago 7.indiana 8. detroit/raptors/philadelphia
to me, the raptors will have problems matching up against the 1-6 seeds.
but i dont know, i could be proven wrong.
it just when i look at the pacers, i like their core of players more than i like the raptors. they have a better bench than the raptors do in my opinion. i still have doubts about derozen and belineli. like i said previously, i don't think derozen is ready to start and im not really convinced that belineli will bring consistant scoring off the bench. troy murphy and bargs are both similar types of players, but murphy is a great rebounder, and i cant say the same about bargs yet.
the pacers will do what the nuggets did and start dahntay jones and sub brandon rush off the bench. i like rush a lot. to me, he'll be a candidate for most improved player of the year. i'm not saying he will score in bunches like J.R Smith, but he can go for 25+ if he needed to. along with rush, roy hibbert is also going to be a solid starting center for the pacers. and bring jeff foster off the bench, he'll bring toughness and rebounding just like reggie evans, except foster has more length. and lets not forget about danny granger, a see another great year for him.
again when i look at this pacer quad, they aren't really weak at any position except for point guard. and the only player i really have questions about is tyler hansbrough.
the pacers and raptors will both have no trouble scoring on offense, and they both have problems on defense. but because the pacers have a better rebounding squad, more versatility down low, and depth at every position (except point guard), I see pacers edging off the raptors in the standings.
*Note: this is not coming from a pacers fan.
unaznized- Cool thanks for the explanation. I just don't think the Pacers are going to be that good on offense with a starting lineup of:
PG- Ford, SG- Dahntay Jones, SF-Granger, PF-Murphy, C-Foster
To me that lineup doesn't have enough scoring punch. If the Pacers played the Raptors I think Toronto would have the edge. Dahntay Jones is a good defender but he does nothing on the offensive end. Jones vs. DeRozan or Belinelli is a pretty even matchup in my eyes. Foster really can't compete with Bargnani. Bosh is better than Murphy. Calderon is better than Ford & more consistent. I would take Granger over Hedo even though Turk is taller. Overall the Raptors to me appear to have the advantage even though individual matchups certainly don't mean everything. I just have a feeling the Raptors are going to have great team chemistry & will be impossible to defend on offense.
The Pacers do have a very solid bench. I think they are even with the Raptors in that area. The Raptors have quality depth at every position too. Also if the Pacers do start Hibbert which they very well could then how is he going to guard Bargnani? Sure Hibbert will have the edge on the boards but Roy isn't a real threat on offense. The Raptors will just spread the court & shoot the Pacers out of the game. Hibbert &or Foster will be forced to leave the paint some to guard jumpshooters which will open up the lane allowing the Raptors to rebound more effectively then you might think.
Ok, heres the Pacers and Raptors starting lineups
Calderon < Ford
Derozan > Jones
Granger > Turkoglu
Bosh > Murphy
Bargnani > Foster
Ok, so Its 3-2 for Toronto on the starting lineup plus a better bench.
Granger is not significantly better than Hedo, and Ford isnt Significantly better than Jose so that wouldnt make them better.
Toronto is a better team.
Ganger is way better than Hedo hes an All-Star.
Calderon isnt better than Ford.
Im a raptors fan saying this .
Caldoron is hes extremely efficient with when he gets the ball and if he gets more shots would be even better.
Calderon is a very below average defender, and isnt so athletic.
He also needs to get to the free throw line more.
If hes the best FT shooter in the league, he needs to get there more.
He is a good passer and doesnt turn the ball over, but since he's been the starter what have the Raptors done?
When TJ was their starter, they won the division. With basically the same team.
but matching up their starting lineups head-to-head does not determine which teams are better. sure you can say bosh and bargs are better than murphy and foster, but it still doesn't change the fact that the raptors will still have problems rebounding the ball and the fact that they aren't very physical players. secondly, hibbert is going to be the starter for the raptors. he posts up down on the low block and murphy is an inside-outside player. i don't think bosh is the type of player who can lead his team, just like rickyrubio9 said.
the pacers have a much better bench than the raptors. dunleavy is a great shooter and right now better than belineli. i'll say this again, brandon rush will surprise most of you. during indiana's last 10 games, rush put up 20+ points in 5 of those games. and he shot over 50% in all but one of the games. i think he'll be a good second or third option for this team. and foster does pretty much what reggie evans does, except he has more length and is a better defender.
i think for this raptors team to be successful, it's going come down to someone playing consistantly and productively at the SG. as i've mentioned, derozen is too raw to be starting right away, and I don't really think belineli is a starter on most teams in the NBA. that leaves me with antoine wright. if you think about it, wright's game is similar to dahntay jones, good perimeter defender and limited offensively. but I give the edge to jones because he's a better defender and more athletic than wright. so to me, dahntay jones, the pacer's second best SG, is better than every SG in the raptors right now, unless derozen reaches his potential this year and ends up playing and plays well. but again, i don't think he's ready to start.
my next point, Ford is an underated playmaker with a pass first mentality. yes i agree that he is inconsistant. but also know that he had to share minutes with jarrett jack. ford could very much take up some of the scoring load and go for 25+ if he needed to. he presents many matchup problems because of his speed, and when indiana and toronto go head-to-head, ford will use his quickness to his advantage against calderon.
bargs will definitely spread the floor, but whos going to rebound efficiently for the raptors? murphy is a better rebounder than bosh and hibbert is a better rebounder than bargnani. and lets swich sides here, when the pacers are on offense, whos going to guard murphy when he's spreading the floor? and more importantly, whos going to rebound for the raptors when murphy is shooting behind the three point line? u can't leave murphy open, he shot 45% from the 3 point line while making 161 last year.
the bench will also be a key factor for toronto. i know i keep mentioning this, but I am very high on brandon rush. to me, there isn't anyone who will be able to score effienciently off the bench for the raptors as brandon rush. he can create his shot off the dribble and spread the floor as well. another player off the bench the pacers will have is mike dunleavy. if healthy, he'll provide shooting and scoring. i don't see belineli playing consistantly off the bench. the only players i see playing solid off the bench are jarrett jack, reggie evans, rasho. and maybe antoine wright. i just don't see a good core of bench players with amir johnson, quincy douby, and marco belineli.