What is considered a bust?

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What is considered a bust?

There is a lot of talk about Greg Oden being a bust. The verdict is still out on whether he will be or not, due to his inability to stay healthy and an underwhelming rookie campaign. I personally think he could still turn into a good player, but the bar seems to be set a little higher for him than a lot of highly drafted players. Tyson Chandler was drafted 2nd in 2001 and has career averages of 8.2 ppg 9. rpg and only 1.4 bpg despite his length and athleticism, but no one considers him a bust? Is it because he was drafted after Kwame Brown? If that wasn't such a weak draft or if Tony Parker or Paul Gasol were drafted ahead of him would he be a bust? I think a worst case scenario for Oden is a career stats comparable to Chandler, but if he produces like that he will be considered a bust. Was it his initial hype as the second coming of Bill Russell, or the promise of being the games next dominant center? Possibly the hype and publicity of the freshman phenoms with him and Durant tearing up the NCAA. Or is it the success of Kevin Durant that aims the magnifying glass even tighter at Oden?

What do you guys think?

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It's a bit of all those things

I don't remember Chandler being considered The Next Dominate Center or being compared to greats such as Russell or Robinson. Also he was coming out of highschool where Greg Oden went to College and then dominated there as well. It doesn't help when you got a guy like Kevin Durant behind you. It's just all the hype he has been getting along with injuries and not the production fans want to see.

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A bust is simply a guy who

A bust is simply a guy who doesn't live up to the hype, when it should be a guy who never played up to his abilities. Greg Oden is considered one of those once-a-decade centers, but he might not be THAT good. I haven't seen those "flashes" on offense yet, but it's too early to tell. Centers and point guards take the longest time to adjust. Give him another two years to develop and become healthy.

NBA fans are just being really impatient, and Durant tearing it up early isn't helping his case.A player should never be considered a bust if they have injury problems. Some guys take a trip to the Finals, other guys take a trip to Dr. James Andrews. All it takes is an awkward landing or a hard foul.

If Oden doesn't become the second best center in the NBA within the next four years, then he will probably be considered a bust. All I expect him to do is become a 13/10/2 type of player, but so many fans want so much more. If Derrick Rose goes on to become the best point guard in the NBA while Michael Beasley becomes a reliable scorer and rebounder, will people consider Beasley a bust?

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i dont know why people call

i dont know why people call oden a bust if i can recall during greg oden freshman year he played the season left handed and dominated because right hand was broke. He played left haded at the mcdonalds all star game matter fact. He's only 21 i think we need to wait at least anothe three years before u call him a bust. But he was dominating at ohio state with his left ahd he had a soft cast on his right hand so he couldnt use it dont believe look it up he even shot free throws left handed. Imagine a healthy greg oden injury free in good condition he would be grat.

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A player that doesn't live

A player that doesn't live up to his expectations and previous accomplishments

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My definition of a bust

A player that doesnt produce anywhere near the level relative to where they're picked or the expectations placed on them, (to me) after their 3rd season.

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With the media and the

With the media and the internet people are so impatient and nba players need to know that. There is no way you can live up to some people's hype. As good as Kobe is he probably can not live up to the hype people put on him early on. He has come close though but to come close you have to be focus and also stay injury free for the most part. Oden injuries coming early may help him because he was able to learn a lot of things before he actually got actual court time. He was also able to get his body most NBA ready so once he gets his legs healthy look out. Also Andre Miller will get him lots of easy buckets.

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A bust is

Someone who doesnt perform to the level of predicted potential that they are tagged with. Or they can be those who were overhyped and underplayed after their draft day expectations.

That being said so far greg oden is a bust

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The problem with the idea of

The problem with the idea of a "bust" is that it's constantly shifting.

For instance, while Kenyon Martin generally isn't considered a "bust" as a top pick, Joe Barry Carroll is a legendary bust.

Both were top picks in their respective drafts (2000 and 1980, respectively). Carroll was a one-time All-Star who finished his career with averages of 17.7 points, 7.7 rebounds and 1.6 blocks per game. Martin was also a one-time All-Star who, for his career, has averaged 14.1 points, 7.1 rebounds and 1.2 blocks per game.

So why the different treatments?

It's actually a good fundemental study of what creates a bust.

Carroll was hyped as a star. The Warriors gave up Robert Parish and the No. 3 pick in 1980 for Carroll, and at the time, it seemed more than reasonable. After all, here was a 7-footer who had dominated college basketball for Purdue.

But when he came to the NBA, he was quickly labeled "soft." He earned the nickname "Joe Barely Cares" and left for Italy for one season in his prime. He was also generally on really bad Warriors teams, which was hardly his fault entirely.

It certainly didn't help that the No. 3 pick of the 1980 NBA Draft turned out to be Kevin McHale, meaning Carroll was ostensibly traded for two of the NBA's 50 Greatest Players. 

Martin, for a top pick, was actually held to rather lower standards. Everyone knew the 2000 Draft was a bit weak, and Martin, in particular, was considered a very safe pick. In the end, only one player (Michael Redd) has led a discernably better career than Martin of all 2000 NBA Draftees. 

The opposite of Carroll, Martin earned fan loyalty for his intensity and defense. As a result, he was spotted leeway for his offensive shortcomings. His reputation as a tough guy only was aided by injuries that limited him in what should have been his prime. 

So who had the better career, Carroll or Martin? Probably Carroll. Yet, based on the surrounding circumstances and fan perceptions of each, Carroll is generally regarded as a bust while Martin was a fine safe pick in an otherwise weak draft.

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