Wall not first pick of 2010 draft.
adam morrison also dominated in college, bird. the question is not who was the better prospect, it's who dominated.
that linups pretty good Augustinm and James are both probably first rounders and Abrams was a really good college player.
Yea but honestly have you even heard of any of those guys? If you've never watched Texas play you probably would never see them. The crowd goes nuts whenever Barnes puts Mooney in for his 3 minutes of garbage time because he went to school locally (St. Michaels) and was a walk on. Winder played spot duty on defense hardly ever. And Drew was a great shooter but he didn't have any other skills to get him on the floor. AJ was still a sophmore, DJ, Justin Mason and James were brand new. Pittman was still chunky. And Morrison never had KD like stats either.
actually with Pittman that might be three fist rounders besides Durant, and ive heard of probably every player on that teah besides walk ons.
bird, the point is, they were basically 4 freshman and a tiny sophomore! of course they didn't make it to the finals.
Abrams sucks ass. He has more 4 for 16 nights from 3 land than 5 for 7 nights. He was undersized and got beat all day long. DJ made Atchley look like a god last year and then he reverted back to sucking this year once DJ left. That team was so inexperienced it wasn't even funny.
Conley was a freshman too and he was one of their best players.
All I'm saying is KD did more with less. I remember being at the senior night game and Winder was the only senior. He got minutes that game just so his fam could see him play.
Bird... first of all, Conley and GO have played together forever so that eliminates some of the problems with being a freshman, but besides that THEY HAD BUTLER (jr) LEWIS (sr) and HARRIS (sr)... how is that like 4 freshmen and a soph? Daequan didn't even get PT in the tourney man! that's how good they were!
Abrams wasnt a junkie he was one of the best three point shooter in ncaa basketball at that time.
If DJ had played his freshman year like he played his sophmore year Texas would have been realll dangerous. He was still learning though and was pretty much a non factor in the tournament.
i kbow that Ohio State had a better team but getting to the title game is a lot better than what they did.
abrams shot the highest 3FG% of his 4 years at Texas the year Durant was there... coincedence? NO, Durant drew every defender imaginable leaving Abrams wide open....
I have never been a fan of Abrams. He shot us out of more games than he shot us into. And he had no other skill besides being a great shooter. He is a one dimensional player who is not good enough to make it on the next level. But yes, he will be remembered as a great shooter, nothing more.
you cant forget Oden was drawing defenders with his presence which led to shots for Cook and there other three point shooters.
bird, you're making yourself look bad trying to argue that texas had a better team than OSU.. it's not even close. What KD did at Texas with 3 other freshman and 1 soph (not to mention 3 pgs and 1 sf as his other starters) was amazing and DOMINANT.
OSUs shooters did more for Oden then he did for them. I didn't really see Oden double-teamed al the much that year because he wasn't really a viable option on offense... it was BETTER for them to use their other guys rather than feed him the ball... he got his points getting boards and dunking the ball
OSU would have smashed Texas that year, even if KD scored 100 points. They just didn't have the manpower. That team was 6 deep most nights. They were really thin.
i remmember when Ohio State came to play Wisonsin and the whole pregame show was how they were gonna try to stop den pretty. of course that Texas team wasnt as good as Ohio States abut you cant deny it will have more 1st rounders if Pittman and James are first rounders and they had a lot of talent.
Oden made Ohio St. good....period. They won more games in 06-07 then they did in 05-06. Oden had a HUGE impact on the game resulting in more wins & a deep tourney run thanks to him dominating. People forget that Ohio St. got significantly better with Oden. And in case any of you forgot Ohio St. lost its two best players/2 leading scorers from that 05-06 team. So xbadger you are overrating the talent Oden had around him. One of those players from 05-06 was the Big Ten Player of the Year. The other was on the big 10 All 2nd team.
D Cook didn't get playing time because he didn't know how to operate in that offense. It had nothing to do with how good they were. Him & the coach weren't that close.
Lewis, Harris, & Butler were solid ROLE players.
Also Oden got double teamed a lot.
Also if you would've put Durant on that Ohio St. team & took off Oden then they would not have won 35 games & made it the finals....I promise you that.
Bird: of course the pregame show was all about oden... cuz he was the most hyped player ever. i don't care how many first rounders they had in total... that team was, like kowalski said, 6-deep and started 4 freshmen and 1 soph.
Gator: They barely fed Oden the ball...also did you forget Gator that Ohio St. added Daequan Cook, David Lighty and Mike Conley that year? that might've had something to with them getting better. Just a thought.
And if you're telling me that Cook wouldn't have played if Lewis and Butler weren't there, regardless of the issues with the coaches, you're lying to yourself. Matta could afford to sit him becaue he had those other guys.
You're right that Ohio State most likely would not have made the finals without Oden but replacing him with Durant would have just created problems. Durant is not big enough to be a center and you are taking away a great big man. Just like if you put Oden on Texas and took off Durant I don't think he would have pushed them to the finals either. But I don't see how this shows who was the better player. Durant won the award and IMO they got it right. We are not saying Oden was not dominant, just that KD was dominant in a different way and meant more to his team.
I'm confused....who's supporting who?
The Ohio State team was really good. Any other year they pro would have won a NCAA title. But if you replace Durant with Oden, they would have not be that good
Oden got picked over Durant because he had more potential This site compared him to DAVID ROBINSON AND BILL RUSSELL
Wall - looks like another Derrick Rose & in a guard driven NBA - he'll probably go #1
Oden - His skill and athleticism, he blew the scouts away at the combine, are hard to pass by. There aren't a lot of young centers coming down the pike. So Portland almost had to take. I liked Durant better at the time and he may be the Jordan to Oden's Bowie, but young big men take longer to catch on to the speed of the NBA (even Shaq had two years in college) if his body holds up they may end up a push.
DeAndre Jordon - several GM's blew it by passing on him - see Detroit - now the Clippers won't even listen to offers - again there are no centers coming down the pike.
Q, we're just arguing over who was more dominant in college, who do u think?
Durant or Oden?
Of Course Durant. Durant was the the best player in college basketball at the time.
ok ya'll keep saying that texas had this or that amount of draft picks but ya'll keep looking at them being draft picks after playing a couple of years in collge..if dj, james, pittman would have came out that year would they have been first round draft picks like the ohio st guys were?..no. and people seem to forget how good ohio state was befotre oden played later in the season. people seem to forget how much daquan cook took over parts of games before oden started playing. oden got picked over durant because he was big and could move and defense and potenial. does that mean he was the right choice or should have been picked over durant?. in my opnion nope. like i said i would have picked durant and oden would have been the second pick. i liked/like oden but i always felt durant was special no matter how skinny people say he is/was. he had a better college career and he will be a better pro. the guys on odens team were making shots and scoring just as much if not more while oden was out with a injury
Do people still use stats to argue points? Stats just don't statisically hold up (no pun intended). I love KD as a player, so don't get me wrong, however Oden clearly dominated college basketball that year. That Ohio State team had a few veterns not really note worthy and some great young talent. His play helped them get to the Championship game, not bad for a team who's three best players were a group of frosh's. The thing many of you fail to realize over and over again, altered shots & people to afraid to penetrate the paint because of Oden's presence, are not counted anywhere. If you fail to understand that, then you FAIL!
its still pretty simple...durant was more dominate and the better player..player of the year is given to the better player not just the better scorer and durant was the better player..pretty simple..oden dominated durant dominated more
Yea, Kevin Durant was the most dominate player that year. By a good margin of distance. Oden was a dominate presence who was a freak athlete for a 7'0" college center, but he didnt have the season Durant had.
Just by reading some stuff on here saying if I could go back and start an average team with one of those two players then I really don't think you could go wrong with either. But on draft night, I wanted Durant not Oden.
John Wall topic turned into an Oden/Durant debate. Anyway I think its too early to say if Wall is a 1st pick player already. He hasn't played a college game yet and I believe someone said he will be the greatest pg to ever play in the nba. Pretty ridiculous. About the Oden/Durant debate, OSU that year was one of the best teams in the country. Oden didn't even played early in the season because of his wrist and OSU was ranked as high as first. But when he did played he was dominant. The dude was playing with his left hand the whole season. If he had started playing the first game of the season with his right hand, OSU possibility could've gone undefeated during the season. Durant's team suck. You could tell they would get bounce early in the tournament. When you get compared to Bill Russell, any team would've drafted number one that night.
Wall will go 1 because some one will trade into that spot for him
lol..yeah this was a wall post..lol..the number one pick in my opnion will be greg monroe unless wall leads his team to the title and dominate which i dont see happening
i agree i rather take monroe...i know what im getting
Wall, Monroe, Favors, Willie Warren and Paul George are the guys I think should go top 5 next year, in no specific order.
Im pretty sure Mason came off the bench that year, but year they were really young and talented
Mason was starting. They ran the 3 guard lineup like Villanova does.