Wall not first pick of 2010 draft.
I just realized this while I was figuring out the lottery order for the 2010 draft. There is a possibility that Wall is not the first pick. Now this could mean 2 things, 1 the team that wins the lottery trades down 1 or 2 spots and picks the guy they really want(probably Favors or Davis) Or they just picks Favors or Davis with the first pick instead of Wall. (The Blazers did this in 2007 with Oden. Durant would have been the better choice, Talent wise, but they did not need him, and they went for the need instead. Not a bad decision, but it would have been better if they had traded down 1 spot and selected Oden that way)
The reason why Wall might not be the first pick is because most of the teams that will make to the lottery(I'm thinking probably 8 of the 14) next year, already have PG that they are probably not willing to give up. Take the Nets or Jazz for example, they both have allstars at PG(Dwill and Harris) both of those would certainly not want to trade away their allstar players just to make room for Wall. So those 2 teams as well as others would probably trade down and select either Favors or Davis(which ever seems better to them, Favors is my pick, but that's just me.
Here is how I see it, The kings, Bucks, Twolves, Nets, Knicks(Jazz Pick),Rockets, Grizzlies, Thunder, Clippers, Sixers, Warriors, Bobcats, Pistons, and Pacers will all most likely be in the lottery next year. Here is who probably each team would select if they won the lottery.(this is not assuming they trade down)
Kings=Wall(rebuild, talent and need)
Twolves=Favors (rebuild, talent, they selected 2 PG in 2009 why would they choose another one?)
Nets=Favors(rebuild, talent, already have PG in Harris and they do not want to trade him a way, have big hole at SF)
Knicks(jazz pick)=Davis(run, need)
Rockets= Wall(run, need, brooks is not a true PG and could probably learn well under Wall)
Grizzlies=Wall or Favors(run, need, have hole at PF but are also getting frustrated with Conley, so Wall might be the pick)
Thunder=Davis(run, need, big hole at PF, Green is more of a SF not PF)
Clippers=Wall(run, need, Baron Davis is getting old)
Sixers=Wall or Davis(run,need,L. Williams not a true PG, but Brand is getting old so they might select Davis instead)
Warriors=Favors(run, need, have 2 PG in Curry and Ellis, do not need another one, and Favors can play both SF and PF(wright nor randolph are not good PF's)
Bobcats=Davis (run, need)
Pistons=Wall(rebuild,talent, and need,stuckey not true PG, better at SG)
Pacers=Aldrich or Montiejunas(run, need, C is a need for them. PG=Ford, SF=Granger PF=Hansbrough or Murphy)
Usually the worst team, does not win the lottery, they may have the best chance of winning it, but that does not usually end up happening. This could be a very interesting draft, this could be the first year, that the team that wins the lottery ends up trading down and selecting the player they want that way. What do you guys think?
No one, In my opinion should even think of putting Davis that high in a draft. As of right now, I wouldn't get hopes up on him. Same with Wall, even though Wall has proven himself more. I see Favors, Turner, Aminu, & Motiejunas as great picks. Favors the number one.
the thing is Oden has struggled in the nba but in college he dominated so i would say him and Durant were pretty close talent wise. he hasnt done as much in the nba though. i think you take him and then explore trades theres no way you pass on him.
I dunno, name the last time a team did that tho...and succeded
it's still way too early to say Wall will even be the #1 prospect on everyone's board... we still don't even know if he'll come out next year! I remember a few years back, everyone was talking about DeAndre Jordan as the #1 pick before the season started, and then he ended up bein a 2nd rounder, it's just too early to even consider him a lock for #1.
you know there could be another reason...after this year he could be not worthy of the number one pick..thats also a possibility
also oden and durant werent the same level in college..oden did not dominate like durant
Actually Oden did dominate in college. What games were you watching? He was the clear #1 pick that year. Everyteam in the league would've picked him 1st. He would've been the #1 pick out of highschool. Everybody knows that. Not saying it was the right choice but thats what all the teams thought.
if you look at points yeah. but Oden dominated the boards and was a huge defensive presence.
the fact that you say he dominated LIKE durant which is false because he didnt dominate like durant if he did he would have gotten coplayer of the year with durant or even came into second place on the voting...so liek i said he did not dominate like durant..what were you watching gator??
They put too much emphasis on scoring. An award means nothing. Durant got bounced early in the tourney while Oden took his team to the finals. Oden was clearly the best big man in college. He was a game changer. Sure Durant could score but that didn't always mean his team was winning. Oden put up 25 pts & 12 rebs in the finals with all that pressure. That was up against Horford & Noah too.... I would call that dominating. Oden put that team on his back & won a lot. I watched plenty of games. By watching the games I saw who the more dominating player was....it was pretty clear.
Durant averaged more rebounds than Oden I'm pretty sure, so you can't really say Oden dominated the boards. He was a much greater defensive presence than Durant though.
Kevin Durant was BY FAR the most dominant player in his only season in college.... saying GO was even close to being on his level is just plain wrong...
LOL GATOR HEELS! that Ohio state team was SO much more talented than KD's team...
OSU barely even made it past Xavier, they had to be saved by Ron Lewis' shot. KD was absolutely unstoppable in college.
one game has nothing to do with it plenty of teams have almost lost games and won ritles.
Texas honestly wasn't that talented that year. Didn't Ohio State have 3 first rounders that year? Cook, Oden and Conley?
wheres the blocks?
Don't get caught up in the stats. Watch some games.
and thats why the award isnt based on one game just like you dont base oden on the game he had against gtown. and the award means more then nothign in college..durant was CLEARLY THE BEST player. yeah oden was the best big man but thats not saying alot when there maybe was one other nba center in college that year durant set or came close to records not only just scoring durant also went down as one of the best freshman ever. oden didnt. yea he had a good year aginst nba pf and small fowards checking him. durant not only out scored him he also out rebounded him. its not even a arguement of who was the better college player and also the better pro player. oden should have gotten to the title game with 2 other first round picks that year one being a lotto pick and having other big men who he was going against being 4 inchs or more shorter
those were also three freshman.
another thing is would you take a skinny wing man or a dominating big man who could be the next shaq?
and if the award was all about scoring alot more scoring leaders would have gotten in...curry would have beasley would have. the emphisis is on the BEST player in college basketball ( outside of tyler getting it over beasley) which durant was head and shoulders above EVERYONE else
They both dominated, but in diffrent ways...Durant on the offensive end and Oden on the defensive end...Durant put up video game type stats (see above) and he played big in big games, dude was almost impossible to stop in college... Oden played on a better team and he was a intimidating presence on the defense he altered more shots than he blocked... He was the backbone of Ohio States team that went to the championship game....
Don't get caught up in stats... when you're talking about dominatnig a season, one of the best ways to decide that is based on a player's average stats throughout the year...
To say that GO made it to the finals- and giving him as much credit as you're giving him- is to miss the fact that GO's team barely even played Daequan Cook... that's how deep that team was.
And I watched plenty of games, being a big 10 fan and all... seriously, this isn't even close.
yeah thats what the blazers said about bowie and jordan ( hey lets take the moble big man over the skinny guard..lol...look how that worked out...pretty similar with one being injured and when not injured playing ok while the other looked good from jump and now looks great)
Bird, that's true but also irrelevant. Durant was a freshman also.
in college Durant was better but the reason Oden was takin is because he has an Nba body and centers with his kind of talent only come every decade or so.
Gator... another thing to consider. KD started AT CENTER for that team... that's how shallow they were. The kid matched up against big men every game and showed he could bang with the best of em... KD averaged almost 2 blocks AND 2 steals per game... I don't even think it's an argument.
Kd had to take more shots. and Wing players score more than centers like Oden anyways.
i understand why he was taken..but i was saying from day one take durant because he was just a one of a kind player..i never saw shaq inside of odens game..i did figure he would rebound and blk shots better but i could see his offensive game was pretty raw since he had no real moves that could work against other good big men and he brings the ball down all the time on top of having to get his feet set , and travels alot before dunking
centers take longer to develop. also Oden was coming off an injury which slowed his progress.
durant was better in college and is better in the pros..facts are facts
Bird, the fact still remains, KD was the FOCAL point of EVERY team's defense... GO played on a team that had 4 other very good scorers (Conley, Lewis, Butler, Harris) Cook came off the bench and didn't even play all that much because that team was so deep.
yeah he hurt his wrist...man you just keep making more and more excuses for him..his offense was and still is very raw..he was a pretty good defender and rebounder and defensive presence. he was bigger then every player he faces and it wasnt even close (other then hibbert)
centers arent the vocal point of there offences normally anyway.
Bird, what i'm saying is, when you're surrounded by other great players, it's a lot easier to score because the defense can't just key in on you... I know the longhorns had some talent too, but Ohio St was stacked that year. They had 3 pt shooters all around GO, making his life easier than it was for KD
what do you think would happen if Oden was on a bad team?
yeah unless they are dominate centers..like shaq,david robinson, len bias, etc..those who have the ability to dominate on offense...oden couldnt do that consitantly..he can show flashes every blue moon but his gae was defense
on a bad team oden stats go down..defenses can focus more on him and double or even tripple team ( doubt they would tripple because he has not a offensive force)
he would get more shots though so i think they would go up.
I'm not saying Durant didn't dominate because he did. To say Oden didn't dominate is wrong...I'm sorry. Everybody knows he was raw offesnively but the impact he had on games was HUGE. Also saying it was simply because he was bigger than anybody else is wrong. He had skills especially defensively. Durant was the biggest wing player & was often guarded by smaller guards too. Oden never lost a home game & his team went 35-4....that is dominating. Give the man some respect. Oden was constantly double-teamed.
i have another question how good do you think the Buckeyes would have been without Oden?
gators who said oden didnt dominate?..i said he didnt dominate like durant but who said he didnt dominate?
I didn't say Oden didn't dominate, cuz he definitely did defensively. I think to say he dominated more than durant is wrong.
His team went 35-4, but his team was also a lot better and more experienced than Durant's team, who still managed to get a 4 seed, and I think they might have tied for the Big 12 crown, if I'm not mistaken, with Kansas.
Ron Lewis, Butler, and Ivan Harris were 3 seasoned vets... their team would have been successful even without GO, I don't think the same can be said for Texas. They'd have been decent.
I'll put it like this if you could rewind time & go back to that 06-07 college season....If you had average talent on your team & you could pick either Durant or Oden to join your squad who would you pick? ODEN is the clear choice if you want to win games. Why? because he dominates & his impact on the college game was like no other that year
I would pick Durant. I believe the only upperclassmen on that team were Ian Mooney, JD Drew, and Craig Winder. To lead a young team (pre-Augustin dominance) like he did was pretty amazing.
Adam Morrison led a team like that too and.........
yea, i mean that team was so undersized and young, it's not even funny.
Dj Augustin~ FR- 5'11
Aj Abrams~ So- 5'11
Justin Mason~ FR- 6'2
Damion James~ FR 6'7
I mean... 4 fr and a soph?! are u kidding me?