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Mario Chalmers

i thin hes already a nice defender and the scoring will come. how good do you think he will be?


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Decent, not a great player.

Decent, not a great player. He wont be a top 5 PG but will be a solid PG.

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he already is solid, what kind of stats do you mean?

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he'll be good

his avg rite now are 10 pts and 5 ast.that good 4 a rookie he should improve like 14 -15 pts 7 ast. and he is locdown defender and a ball theft he could good not great

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I see Mario Chalmers as a

I see Mario Chalmers as a 15ppg-6 to 7 apg guy. I don't see him being a superstar but a good PG.

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personnaly i think his

personnaly i think his ceiling is Chris Paul. im not joking he has that kind of quickness and is a decent shooter, he still has to work on his game, but i think he could be that good.

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extremely underrated, not a

extremely underrated, not a top point guard, but hes very productive
The heat have been talking about bringing in Tinsley or Iverson, I suggest they keep Chalmers and develop his offensive game...

At best I see
16ppg, 6apg, and 2.3spg, and keep in mind this is working alongside D-Wade
The heat have a great starting backcourt defense

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....That's crazy man. He

....That's crazy man. He will never be that good. Some of is skills are already maxed out. I dont see him being that good man.

You do realize CP3 is the Best PG in the NBA right?

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Mario is nice compliment to Wade

Every team needs solid players that fit that aren't superstars, and that's what I think Mario will be. As a combo guard that plays good team D, can hit the open 3, and is clutch: he can be what Derek Fisher is to Kobe, or Mo Williams to LBJ.

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i do but hes already almost

i do but hes already almost as good at D. i think his scoring is down because hes playing beside D Wade. and hes almost as quick, i still question if he can be that good but its possible.

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I think Super Mario will be

I think Super Mario will be a solid starting PG he is the perfect person to play alongside DWade.... He is a solid 3 point shooter (In his career I can see him among the league leaders).. He is a very good defender (on and off the ball).... And he is a steady ball handler.. IMO he is limited in the playmaking department and his ability to take his defender off the dribble is really not that great... This season he should average 13-15ppg 6-7asst and 2.5 steals....

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i dont know if hell ever be

i dont know if hell ever be as good as Paul but i think he could be almost as good maybe 15-17pts 6-8assts 3stls i think he could be the best defensive point guard in the league 2 or 3 yers from now.

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I don't know... I think

I don't know... I think that he's a lot like Rondo to be honest.

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lolontharoflcop...

i thought you were working Dhamp?

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What? How can you mistake

What? How can you mistake me for someone who lacks my domination?

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lolontharoflcop...

what have you dominated?

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lol...D-Hamp you crack me up

lol...D-Hamp you crack me up

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I think Mario will be one of

I think Mario will be one of the better 3pt shooters in the league in a year or two... that combined with his anticpation on defense will make him invaluable to any team he plays for.

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chalmers

He will be solid, but never in the all-star discussions. Keep in mind that he was very fortunate as a rookie to go to a team where he was basically given the starting job. There are numerous pg's in the league that could have put up 10-5 if given the starting job while competeing with Chris Quinn for minutes. He's a goos shooter and defender, but he does'nt have great one on one break you down skills or the ability to get into the lane and finish at will. I think there is still a chance he beomes a solid backup who can occasionally start similar to Chris Duhon, Earl Watson, or Jarret Jack. Putting him into the Chris Paul category is silly at this point.

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he already is at that point what do you mean he hasa chance to be a solid backup who can start?

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i think that's more a

i think that's more a reference to his skill level, not necessarily if he's a starter or not... ya know? like he's starting-caliber?

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I think if he went to a team with a legit starting pg, he would have numbers like 5 points and 2 assists and we probably would'nt be having this discussion. Like I said, lot's of guys could put up those numbers if they were given the starting spot with no competition. I don't think he will ever be more then just a solid pg who will fight for minutes and contribute on most teams in his career similar to the guys I mentioned.

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i think right now hes almost

i think right now hes almost starter caliber hes basicly Steve Blake but he can play defense.

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Steve Blake, IMO, makes way

Steve Blake, IMO, makes way better decisions and shoots the 3 better than Mario. Mario does have him beat athletically, but you can't trade Blake's experience

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I dont think Chalmers start

I dont think Chalmers start on most teams right now

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he has one thing that most point guards dont have when their fighting for minutes. the fact that hes already one of the better defensive point guards in the league.

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And

there's nothing wrong with being compared to guys like Watson, Duhon, or Jack. Those are decent contributors who can help any team either off the bench or as a starter. But none of them are gonna dominate games or anything. That's just how I see Chalmers at this point. A very nice pg who can play, but I doubt he blows up next year.

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i can see the Jack

i can see the Jack comparisions but i dont think hes at all like Duhon, or Watson. and another thing with all the great point guards emerging i think most people would rather start a lockdown defender like him, than somone who will get you a little more offense. and i was a ittle preumptios on the Paul comparisions what i meant is he has that kind of quickness and thats his absolute ceiling.

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i hate when ppl say someone

i hate when ppl say someone is a lockdown defender, when that player goes for as many steals as someone like Chalmers or Rondo or Paul or Iverson... If you're gambling that much, there are times when you're getting burned and you can't be considered a lockdown defender if that's the case.

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fine hes a playmaking

fine hes a playmaking defender.

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yea, that wasn't just

yea, that wasn't just directed at you- more in general, ppl say that a lot. i like playmaking defender much better. :)

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but him main attribute is

but him main attribute is sticking like qlue and pestering his oppenent, so hes more of a glue defender.

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so

xbadge, there are times when bowen or battier get blown by once in awhile, are they considered non-lock down defenders? naw, i wouldn't think so, i think rondo and paul are above average defensively.

chalmers as a rookie didn't do bad defensively, in fact, i think he did above average defensively.

I think he could have a 14points-7assists-3rebounds,2steals,2turnover's a game next season.

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he got 2 steals last year so maybe 2.5.

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when

I make those watson, Duhon, and Jack comparison's, I was just throwing names off the top of my head that I think are good comparison's in terms of the impact Chalmers will have in this league, not necassarily how they play. Who knows, maybe I'm wrong on him. I do think Miami got a definite steal in drafting him in the second round. But I think lot's of rookies can look like steals if they were given automatic minutes playing next to a superstar. I mean, I think if my boy Jordan Farmar was in Miami last year instead of Chalmers, he could of had like 15 and 6, but I don't see people comparing him to Chris Paul. I'll just have to wait and see with Chalmers I guess.

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it's

it's similar to turning the ball over...look at how many turnovers wade/nash/paul get a game to their assists and steals....the argument you make would sound like you're not calling them playmakers..yet they are.

I will not overrate paul or rondo defensively...but i will call them above average.

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i agree Wade helped but even

i agree Wade helped but even if 10pts a game is because of Wade, 2 stels, and being considered one of the glueist defenders in the league is something Farmar i dont think has.

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true

but there is more to defense. I know Chalmers was only a rookie, but I would have liked to see him step up more in the playoffs to take some of the pressure off of Wade. He was being gaurded by Bibby who is terrible defensively and Chalmers just did'nt step his game up. I think if the Heat have a chance to add a top notch pg, they wouldnt hesitate to do so. At this point, I'm not ready to say Chalmers is my starting pg of the future and we no longer need to address that position. I guess we will find out more about him next season.

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once you have defense

once you have defense offense will come. plus i doubt Spoestra as a rookie coach was ready to put much pressure on a rookie. thats probably why he didnt even start Beasley.

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i have season tickets to the

i have season tickets to the heat, did someone just compare him to Chris Paul????? Come on man you ever seen either of them play? Chalmers is a great defender already, but he does nothing else GREAT as of now. Hes not even consistent...

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i said that was his absolute ceiling because he has defense and quickness and if he builds on that he can be a good point guard, i dont think hell be close to being that good but i think hell be a good starter.

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The point is, a lockdown

The point is, a lockdown defender gets beat, but he gets beat DESPITE the fact that he's in position (meaning the offensive player actually had to work), not BECAUSE he's outta position... I donno, basketball is a game of details and small opportunities... it's not necessarily a bad thing to go for steals because they often lead to easy baskets, but if you go for the steal, you will inevitably miss... and as a result it's 5-4, which most NBA players can take advantage of...

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id say hes more like Shane Battier where he sticks to you and annoys the crap out of you. than somone who takes a lot of chances.

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I hear what you're sayin beaverhustler

Guys often over value steals as a stat. Some guys like Iverson and Alvin Robertson back in the day would lead the league in steals because they took so mant risks, but they were poor man to man defenders. But I do think Chalmers and Rondo are very good defenders. But the term "lock-down" defender is a little over used.

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D Grizz- i don't really get

D Grizz- i don't really get your point about TOs and and assists... the plain fact is, when you turn the ball over you lost a possession for your team, but, if more often than not you get the dime rather than the assist, than that risk is warranted because you are converting that possession. doesn't change the fact that you're turning the ball over every once in a while. a player that never turns the ball over never loses any possessions for his team.

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yea, bird, to be honest I

yea, bird, to be honest I haven't seen a whole lotta Chalmers in the NBA, but from what I saw he was gambling more than I'd like to see. Battier almost never goes for the steal.

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haha ill admit it the only reason i said i thought he could be as good as Paul is to get a conversation going, i still think hell be good though.

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DGrizz- i just thought about

DGrizz- i just thought about something else... we don't have a stat for the number of times that someone actually gets the steal when they go for it (that's kind of like asst-TO ratio) cuz if you're getting about 3-1 stls to getting burned, than it's definitely worth it... but i doubt many in the NBA have that type of stealing efficiency.

if you have a 3-1 asst-TO ratio, that means that you're converting a lot more possessions that you're throwing away...

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bird, i didn't even pay

bird, i didn't even pay attention when u compared chalmers to paul cuz that's just ludicrous. you should stop taking credit for that statement ;)

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the only reason i said that is because i dont care about the point system, and i wanted to get a conversation started.

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I don't think anyone will

I don't think anyone will ever mistake Chalmers' defensive effort for Battier's. Battier is a much better defender and he can make the superstars like Kobe work hard for their points. Battier does not gamble like Chalmers does either. He is going to make you take a contested jump shot, he is not a good ball thief. I don't think Chalmers will ever make someone like Chris Paul or Deron Williams frustrated that he could not get the looks he wanted. Chalmers is a good defender, don't get me wrong, but he just can't make his man tired working for his points like the elite defenders of the NBA can. Chalmers being a good thief to me speaks more on his instincts of where players are going to go with the ball, rather than being a great lockdown defender and stopping the player with the ball. Chalmers is not the biggest or the fastest guy either, and he can get worked over by a bigger point or a quicker point, simply because he just can't get in front of his man fast enough.

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