I disagree with your saying that CP3 has good pieces around him... I definitely think you have a solid take on Rondo. I think Jason Kidd is a WAY better passer than Rondo, but the way that Rondo rebounds reminds me of Kidd. To be honest, I didn't watch a lot of JKidd in his earlier days so I can't really say.
Don't buy into Stats? Chandler's stats were SO inflated because of CP3...Chandler was MADE by CP3's alley-oops.
and... NO uptempo style? the majority of the games I've seen have been pick-and-roll CP3-David west, which is not uptempo...
jason kidd is the way 2 go the only thing is that jason kidd can score the ball , rondo is a great at what he does play great defense get rebounds asts and stls and his 8-10 points please dont hate rondo he is not a scorer maybe sumtime down the road ?? maybe??????????????????? if ever!!!!
KIDD IS HALL OF FAME NO WHERENEAR RONDO EVERY TEAM KIDD PLAYED ON WIN LOSS RECORD IMPROVED I DOUBT RONDO A HAVE THAT EFFECT ON OTHER TEAMS...I WATCHED KIDD GIVE SIGNIALS WITH BLINK OF AND EYE OR A CROSS OVER MOVE THAT SETS UP PLAYS TEH UNTRAINED EYE WONT SEE IT BUT HES TEAM WILL THAT LEADERSHIP....
RONDO HAS KG GET HIM 1 PASS IN THE POST HE DOES HIS GOTO A HIGH PERCENTAGE SHOT.......PASS TO RAY ALLEN WHEN HIS OPEN OR EVEN HIGHLY CONTSTES IN HE A KNOCK A SHOT DOWN AT A HIGH PERCENTAGE....http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gigjm4C2s5Y................http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VJuRW6YRJa4
NO NEED TO TALK ABOUT IT ANYMORE....
TEAMS COME UP WITH 1 DEFENSE OPTION IF DONT SWITCH ON THE BIG 3 LEAVE RONDO OPEN HES CREATS WITH ROOM HE CRASHES BOARDS AND RACKS UP POINT IN ASSIT BY DOING SO YOU CANT BE SEROUIS ROSE IS BETTER THEN RONDO WAIT TELL NEXT YEAR
AND DERON HAS BETTER POST SEASON NUMBERS THEN RONDO HAS AND IS A WAY BETTER PLAYER THEN RONDO
you got to chill out on the caps lock. lol it's distracting, and i can't concentrate on what you're saying!
PPL DONT RELIZE BOSTON WAS TALKING ABOUT TRADING RONDO...HES GOOD BUT A POINT LIKE ARRON BROOKS CAN DO THE SAME THING RONDO DOES...OR ANDRE MILLER..MARCUS WILLIAMS.....KIRK.....mario chalmers....petri kopeon is a wayyyyyy better point then rondo and he doesnt have an nba job
TAKIN CAPS OFF
All these players can give what rondo gives if not more.....We are talking about a player who isnt and option for points at all he has no plays besides the pick and roll..he gets point whenever he can......mario chalmers can do rondos job....petri kopeon is a wayyyyyy better point then rondo and he doesnt have an nba job period
Sarunas Jasikevicius plays better lead gaurd then rondo.....rondo is a nice player andplays his role well thats it...he isnt top anything because if another nice gaurd was in his shoes they celtics would still be a great team without rondo
None of the guys you mentioned rebounds close to as well as Rondo...
Rebouding really isnt a gaurds duty.....but there all players and it a help there team but the differnce is rondo crashes boards thats way differnt then getting a rebound when you able to rondo is in the mix wit the frontcout players..i watch games and saw on nba tv a diagram of what happens whn rondo crashes boards all of the celtics stay in the mix some player like allen start to shy away from there defender to get open....while players on the other team including the point start to go back or waits for the ball to be thrown out to the perimeter wich is what most points do.....so rondos hustle reach and leaping ability help him get boards with no defnder boxing him out since the point is heading back or waiting for the ball to get thrown out to him
that doesn't change the fact that he grabs the rebound... which those other guys that you mentioned do not do... also how many of those guys shot 50%FG ?
thats a good feat for rondo....but most the points i named arent all star cal...but they could play lead gaurd for boston jus as rondo did and boston will still be a great team if not better...he shoots 50% on boston he grabs as many rebounds on boston if he leaves he wont do any of these things. boston makes rondo better and rondo makes boston better...but if he leaves you will be foolin yourself if he puts up the same numbers...the coaches wouldnt give him the green light to gun as he does at times in boston I watched him dribble the ball into a half court set in take his defender to the court for a lay up
in the first seconds of a shot clock numerous times in other players dont help becuase if they do 1 of the big 3 will get open....i seen him do that behind the back move he does thats risky..... thats like his goto in players are catchin on and to block a lay up is very easy....rondo is good but i juss dont think he a put up the numbers if he was on another team
I cannot believe you named 5 scrub PG's plus Andre Miller and said there better then Rondo...you are highly wrong in that case. I'm sorry that was a foolish post man.
this dude talkin out the side of his neck, rebounding is a plus for guards that enables them to start the fast break instead of going and getting it from the big, rondo grabs the rebound he's gone and is gettin him or someone else an layup i think a coach would love a guard who can rebound opposed to a guard who cant.........
RONDO TOP 3 FOR SURE.
You said it best its a plus it isnt a job..be serouis
dave what two pointgaurds do you have better then rondo.....
because that will mean nash,billups,deron,chris,parker,fisher,brooks,miller,kidd,baron,rose,sessions,duhon,telfair,harris,jose etc are all after him
saying hes top 3 means he could be the number 1 point in the league........how does that work
saying hes top 3 means hea a max player in he should make over 10 million a year and since hes younger then the big 3 they should invest all there money in him in he should be the face of their franchise since hes top 3 point gaurd in teh league
it doesnt make sense rondo isnt a max player so hes inst top 3 lead gaurd in the nba
next season imo:
Russell Westbrook, Jameer Nelson, ans MO Williams just miss the list. Also, this list is assuming Arenas and Davis make close to 90% comebacks from injuries.
you think rondo is top 3 ? I have nothing to say to you hes a good player but not a max player in a top 3 pg in thsi league is a max player
who is better gilbetr or rondo you say gilbert isnt top 3 but rondo will never get a bigger contract then him if they were both on the market
don fool you self into thinking rondo is better then kidd,nash,billups, or chris paul i can go on he isnt that great
I never said top 3 homie...I said Top 5 pg in the NBA today.
Jose Calderon isnt a top 13 PG?
Steve Nash, Baron Davis, are gonna have a better season than Westbrook?
Calderon would be right after the 13 guys i named. Which ones do you think he is better then? And I like Westbrook a lot, but I think BDiddy will play inspired ball next year because of the young clipper players rejuvinating the atmosphere around that team. Davis near 100% is definitely an all-star caliber pg. Nash has fallen a lot, but his ability to run the team and knock down shots is still top notch. Plus he is consistent. Westbrook is gonna be on this list soon and I really like him. But I still think he is developing as true pg and his ability to defend and pentetrate don't override his lack of ability to run the team comfortably yet. Really, all these guys are great and this list just shows how deep the pg spot is.
top 5 point gaurd are hall of famers,future hall of famers..or have big contracts because there level of play.....rondo doesnt the fit the bill of any of those and sayings hes top 5 is saying he belongs somewhere in the top thats like when a player gets drafted hes projected to go somewhere in th top 5 he could 1st 2nd or 3rd in the draft...so saying rondo is top 5 means he can be 1st 2nd or 3rd on the list of top 5 points gaurd in the nba..that doesnt add up
You dont like Rondo so of course you would say that. He is the best Overall PG in the East and he is a rising star in the NBA..HOLD ON I'LL POST HIS NUMBERS FOR YOU
2006-2007 6.4ppg, 3.7rpg, 3.8apg and 41% shooting
2007-2008 10.6, 4.2 rpg and 5.1apg and 49% shooting (Championship starting PG)
2008-2009 11.9ppg, 5.2rpg and 8.2apg and 50% shooting
lets look at the playoffs shall we?
2007-2008 10.2ppg, 4.4rpg and 6.6apg (Championship)
2008-2009 16.9ppg, 9.7RPG and 9.8APG!
I dont know any PG who had playoff numbers like that at a young age who is not a HOF. I'm not saying Rondo is but if your gonna kill people, Rondo is not one of them. Sorry!
Just curious, if you say he is top 5, then which of the 9 guys I had ahead of him on my list a couple comments ago do think Rondo is better then?
"this dude talkin out the side of his neck, rebounding is a plus for guards that enables them to start the fast break instead of going and getting it from the big"
most teams dont start fast breaks off a defensive rebound lol from the point gaurd at that..... esspically the celtics
now your talking out the side of your neck...what is he talking about he dont know basketball his name is young dave
everybody laugh at him
Rose,Billups, Nash, Harris and Davis
we will never know if rondo is great as the stats tell because stats dont tell he has 3 hall of famers on his team and in the 08 finals ppl barley gaurded him when he didnt have the ball...when the big 3 arent the big 3 anymore or if rondo goes to another teams in puts up the same numbers i will admit im wrong but untill then lets agree to disagree
Point guards usually aren't suppossed to rebound they are suppossed to be defending the fast break. Doc Rivers got upset at Rondo because he allows a lot of fast breaks to happen while he is chasing rebounds.
Different coaches have different philosophies on this. Rondo is one of the best rebounding point guards but that doesn't make him one of the best point guards. Boston might be better off with him commited to getting back on D.
the Harris, Nash, and Davis arguments. But Rose is gonna explode next year just watch. He has some of the most exposive one on one moves and can get into the lane at will. His rookie year was just the tip of the iceberg and he will become the best pg in the east next year depending on how well Arenas comes back. Also, I think the Celtics would be a much more dangerous team if they trade Rondo for Billups next season. Billups can run a team just as well if not better then Rondo. His defense is excellent. And his shooting and experiece trumps Rondo's. I think the Celtics would gladly take him over Rondo if we are just talking about who is better right now.
I wanna wait before calling him the top 5 PG.
I like Rose alot. But (To be honest) he is a average playmaker and is not a elite defender. But he also needs to show me he is a late game shooter but this is a big question for the Bulls this year. I wanna see another couple seasons of this before i say "He's a top 5 PG" No player in recent memory (20 years) IMO has stepped into the NBA and has been a top position player.
Also, if Derrick Rose can walk into the NBA and be a TOP 5 PG, it makes the other PG's look weak and bad IMO.
Down the Line (2 years), I wanna revisit the topic of Rondo vs Rose and Rose may be better.
To me, I think Rose would be dominant if he got to play with KG, Pierce and Allen. I don't think there's any question they would have won the East with him as the PG two yrs ago. I don't know about without KG last year, but I think they would have been better. just my opinion though
Same here to me Rondo just gotten into a good situation with the big three. Sure he show some stuff during the playoffs but he isn't a very consistent pg compare to the elite ones.
to see I'm not alone on feeling like Rondo is a little overrated. I still believe he is top 10 pg and a huge part of what Boston plans on doing. But some people on here think he is this great all-star. There was another thread where a number of people were saying if they could do the 2006 draft again, he would be picked ahead of Brandon Roy. That just does'nt make sense to me.