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it takes years for a coach

it takes years for a coach to get enough respect to get respect from players like that.

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Future- I understand what

Future- I understand what you are saying about the comparisons. As fas as Big Baby vs. Halsem... I think Big Baby is the better player & would start over Haslem. Big Baby can rebound & defend just as well as Haslem can. Glen Davis is a better scorer.

You guys would honestly want Tinsley &or Williams on your team? I really would not sign either of these guys.

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He has no 2nd chance, he may

He has a 2nd chance, he may have changed his way and is trying to find a roster spot. We DONT KNOW.

All I know is, I saw both Williams and Tinsley's numbers from the 2007-2008 seasons (both players last seasons) and they were not close. If Tinsley comes in committed, I would take Tinsley to be a scoring point off the bench who can pass.

You have a Bias on Tinsley because of the past, look at the numbers and how both players did. I rather have Tinsley because he is still in his prime and can contribute more than Jason Williams.

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How do you explain the

How do you explain the Celtics beating the Bulls in the playoffs? Celtcis even gave the Magic a very tough series with guess who starting?..Glen Davis. Put Big Baby as the starting PF for the Heat & they are not going to lose 50 games.

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his numbers were good for 2

his numbers were good for 2 series, i agree, but he is a 6-6 300lb pf who cant stay out fo foul trouble because of his body. he didnt go against one big/strong power forward in either series and thats why he was successful for those two series. when he matches up with long strong players his shot gets blocked repeatedly. in the long haul his weaknesses would be exposed

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id take Big Baby but im

id take Big Baby but im worried they might decide to bring Beasley off the bench which would mean less minutes.

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yes he has had a bad past but hes not a greedy player like Tinsley.

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How is Tinsley greedy if he

How is Tinsley greedy if he never had less then 5 assist per game in any season?

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Udonis Haslem > Glen Davis,

Udonis Haslem > Glen Davis, I think they both are similar because they are both jumpshooters that like to bang in the paint but I give the edge to Haslem because you KNOW he can get it done as a starter and he can play at a champioship level... Big Baby is a question mark because people THINK he can he can be a successful PF... I dont think one you can judge if a player can be a good starting PF based on the performance in 1 postseason.... I wonder how his knees would hold up over 82 games playing 35 MPG (dude kinda heavy)....

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Haslem does not play at a

Haslem does not play at a championship level anymore. He is a below average starter. Yes Haslem is a good rebounder but he did nothing in the playoffs for the Heat. Cmon man did you watch any of the games. Haslem averaged 8pts 0ast 0steals 0blocks.....Wow compared to Big Baby he looks like a scrub.

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I seen Haselm play with the Heat last year in the playoffs (he played aiight but he could have played better) He is a lunch pail type of player he isnt gonna be a second or third option and he isnt a playmaker but he is a solid defender (man and team) that is effective with talent around him... I think he is an average starting PF in the league you can count on him to rebound and defend because thats WHAT HE DOES... As far as saying Big Baby makes him look like a scrub im going to disagree... Haslem is a better defender, rebounds better, and his a tougher player (see Big Bay crying on the bench)... What PF did Big Baby match up against in the playoffs Tyrus Thomas???? Rashard Lewis??? I would like to see him produce as a starter... Udonis Haselm is almost a double double type player for his career, I doubt Big "Cry" Baby comes close to Haslem averages for his career... And at 29 years old he is still in his prime I dont think his numbers slipped that much (he just need to be on a contending team),,,,

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actually

i think i'd rather have big baby over haslem. sure haslem has experience as well...but big baby is much more physical...has a jumpshot...and plays when it's important...period.

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I dunno and to be

I dunno and to be honest...WE DONT KNOW if Big Baby can handle 35mpg for 82 games...he may tire out and disappoint near the end of the season.

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Big Baby has a solid jumper

Big Baby has a solid jumper but soo does Haslem, I would take Haslem because he is a workhoarse can bang ownlow , crash the boards, and he can also score a little, Big Baby is also very unathletic and slow , also sort of undersized

KnicksBoy lets start new, we dont even know each other im sure we would be good friends if we knew each othe rin person , and for real we argued over B.S.

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Mike...I was never mad at

Mike...I was never mad at you. Never, I love to disagree. I like to go the other way. To be honest, I wanna make a new account and start anew because I feel I hurt my rep (not because of you) but overall.

Were still cool man 100%

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mikenike- Big Baby is a

mikenike- Big Baby is a workhouse & can bang downlow too. Haslem is undersized. Big Baby isn't near as slow as people think. Also for a guy his size he is pretty athletic & has very good footwork.

Like I said look what they both did in the playoffs when it really mattered & there is absolutely no comparison.

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i respect your opinion but

i respect your opinion but do you think Big Baby can guard the elite PF's downlow and the combo Forwards on the perimeter ? i doubt it
I think Haslem can contain the Rashard Lewis'es of the NBA much more easily than Big Baby can, feel free to argue

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Big Baby is just more

Big Baby is just more effective when he is on the floor.....the #s prove it. At least they do in the playoffs. Haslem did have the better regular season but he obviously got a lot more playing time. I would rather have the player that performs better in the playoffs. Big Baby is also a lot younger & should continue to improve. Haslem is on the decline.

I do agree with you on that mikenike- Haslem can guard the perimeter better than Big Baby but in the post they are both undersized

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Knicksboy34

i think most of us would know who you are even if you made a new account. and why do you think you've hurt your rep?

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just for a fresh start...

just for a fresh start...

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i disagree, i think you

i disagree, i think you should keep your same acount. maybe you could change your username.

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we can argue right now...I

we can argue right now...I dont care.

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ignore him and he will stop acting like an idiot. but you would crush him in a contest.

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I know...it's not worth it.

I know...it's not worth it.

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I know...it's not worth it.

I know...it's not worth it.

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