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well

you put my name on top, then proceeded to discuss Harris vs rondo without even mentionine birdzilla or anyone else. Sorry if I assumed that meant you were reffering it to me since I had brought up the Harris/Rondo comparison already. Why are you getting angry?

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Trust me on this, Devin

Trust me on this, Devin Harris isnt better than Rondo. He cant shoot either, but he is a better shooter than Rondo. Harris used to work hard on D, but ever since he got traded he doesnt work hard. He also isnt the leader Rondo is. You think a guy like Devin Harris could feed the ego's of 3 proven superstars? I dont, he could barely get Vince Carter to play hard consistently. Harris is the better scorer and better shooter, but I know I'd take Rondo over him everytime.

Rondo is also better than Rose right now, because he does everything better,except shooting. I mean, think about it. Rondo creates better scoring chances, defends better, gets to the rim alot like him, rebounds better, and is a better orchestrator. I think Rose has the potential to be better, but he doesnt much of anything better right now.

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you're making these assumpions because of the playoffs. its an 82 game season! Rose, and Harris both had much better season numbers than Rondo.

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Do you want a guy who is

Do you want a guy who is average in the reg season and excellent in the playoffs

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a guy who dominates the reg season and comes up lame in the playoffs?

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How?

Im not making any assumptions, none at all. I've seen Rondo play in the regualr season too. He played the same way, except with more intensity on both sides of the ball. Im not many any assumptions though. How'd you even come up with that?

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But Rose just finished his rookie season. I think going into next season, he will be better then Rondo. Rose is a better athlete, he is quicker off the dribble, has better change of direction, is a better finisher in the lane, is a better shooter from the perimiter and that was all just last season. imagine what improvements he can make going inot his second season as far as defense, and getting teammates involved.

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i didnt really mean that its just if you look at the reaguler season you'll see Rondos numbers are only decent, while Harris, and Roses are better.

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I said I thought he could be

I said I thought he could be better.heres exactly what I said, "I think Rose has the potential to be better, but he doesnt much of anything better right now."

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so you think Rose came up lame in the playoffs last year? And after one season, you are already gonna characterize Rose as a guy who only plays well in the regular season and does'nt get it done in the playoffs? Wow, imagine if people wrote Rondo off completley after his rookie season.

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it might just be me but i

it might just be me but i think Knicks21, and knicksboy34 are the same person. ive heard knicksboy34 say he thinks Rondo will be the next Kidd. and he hasnt been on all night.

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Its that way because of the

Its that way because of the shots Rondo had to share. Rondo's value comes deeper than stats. And even if you do look at stats, Rondo averaged more assists, stls and rebs than both of those guys. They are better scorers, but not better players.

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I disagree to an extent

Rondo was better last year then both. But I think Rose passes up Rondo right now. Next year he will be better then Rondo. Also, I think Rondo get's a lot of his stats padded because of the talent around him. I mean when teams play Boston, Rondo is not their number 1 priority defensively. Harris may never be better then Rondo, but I think Rose is better then him right now.

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I never said Rose came up

I never said Rose came up lame, I asked a simple question. Get Rose out of your head, I asked a question

Like me and Iguadala said- We think Rondo is better now but down the line Rose maybe better.

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oh, ok

so after this whole back and forth about Rond and Rose, now I'm supposed to assume you are just asking hypothetical questions and I should get Rose out of my head? Okay

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and I have no problem

with Iguodala saying he thinks Rondo is better or you saying that Rondo is better. What I have found interesting, is that you seem to think it is not even close and anyone who would take Rose is "crazy". That's quite a bit different than what Iguodala said.

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this is ridiculous...

Rondo is less talented than Rose AND Harris.
Rondo averaged 2 more assists than both of them because he had Pierce, Garnett, and Allen to pass it to.(3 future hall of famers who shoot good percentages)
Rondo cant shoot period, so what if Harris shot 29% from 3, Rondo would shoot half that percentage if he took half as many 3s as Harris. And Rose and Harris both can hit consistent mid range shots. Rondo always deferred to one of the big 3 and raised his assist total.
Rondo is not comparable to JKidd, thats where i draw the line. JKidd was twice the shooter, distributer, and defensive player in his prime.
I do think Rondo is an extremely valuable PG on the celtics, but only because he complements the big 3 so well. He can just drive and either put a high percentage shot or layup within 5 ft or kick it out to pierce/allen who can drain the 3 or out to garnett who can hit anything up to about 22ft

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Something I never understand

Your blaming him for playing with good player, and then you would criticize him if he played for a bad team like Memphis. There's no winning. And Rose is more talented than Rondo, but I dont believe Harris is. What does he do better than him or have the potential to do better?

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Rondo brings a unique

Rondo brings a unique skillset to the game of basketball because he is to cause headaches without scoring.... How does Rose and Harris affect the game if they are not scoring???? Its funny because when Harris played for Dallas nobody thought he could be this type of scorer, I feel if Rondo can be a 18ppg scorer becasue of his ability to get in the lane... Because Rondo cant shoot that means he is anyless of a player considering he does everyting else at a HIGH level (also better than Harris or Rose)... I personally like Rose because of his physical attributes and how he step his game up in the playoffs last year... IMO as of now Rondo is the better player between him, Rose, and Harris... Its funny how everyone talks about Rondo playingt with veteran three hall of famers, than in is self is difficult for a young STARTING point guard....

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In couple years Rose >

In couple years Rose > Rondo.....

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iguodala

Not sure if you are referring to me or not, but I don't hold winning or having great teammates agaist him as a player. But I think Rondo has been able to benefit from having great teammates. Pierce, Allen and Garnett are still doing the same things whether they have a good team or not. Defenses have to focus on them at all times. Obviously, it is hard to accurately judge Rondo until we see him play with less help, but I really don't think he is as great as people give him credit for. Go back and watch last season's 2 games against the Lakers where they did'nt even gaurd Rondo. They just left him wide open until he tried to enter the lane. And even then, they just stayed with their man and made Rondo be a finisher. They dared him to shoot on every possesion, and he was absolutely a detriment to his team because they just doubled off him to everyone else. And I would'nt compare his passing or playmaking with a guy like Jason Kidd's either.

I think Rondo is very good player and top 10 pg. But not this all-star leader that some people have made him out to be.

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I was talking to MSNY

I was talking to MSNY. But he obviously wasnt a detriment if they won the series that got the the championship, especially considering the won in 5 games. Yall are making using the big 3 as a crutch, he defended, slashes,and passes just fine without them. Those are all traits he had when he was in college and before the big 3 arrived.

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I was reffering to last year when a healthy lakers team swept Boston in 2 games. And the Finals went 6 not 5. And that series was about the Celtics being the tougher mentally and physically team, not Rondo being great. The Lakers were missing 2 starters in that series, and they lost. Rondo was'nt the difference maker in that series.

And yes, like I said Rondo is very good and a top 10 pg, so it's not like I'm trying to tear him down. But when defenses focus on him like they do with guys like Paul, DWill, Rose, Nash, Parker, Harris, and others, then let's see Rondo put up those same great numbers.

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You dont think Rondo was a

You dont think Rondo was a difference maker when they won the championship? Dont you think that Rondo had to do with their toughness since he was a key member of their team? Rondo played great that Finals, he even put up 15 assists and no turnovers in 1 or 2 games. How can that not be much of a difference maker? You think Eddie House or Gabe Pruitt couldve done better?

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theres a differnece

between playing well and doing your job vs being a major difference maker in a series. And Boston would have probably won that series with any decent guy at pg.Rondo was not the guy that beat the Lakers. Like I said, the Lakers were a soft team then and were missing 2 starters. When they played them twice last year with boston healthy and hungry both times, the Lakers won and if you watched those games, you would see how Rondo was left alone and being dared to shoot while Kobe played off him in the passing lanes.

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theres a differnece

between playing well and doing your job vs being a major difference maker in a series. And Boston would have probably won that series with any decent guy at pg.Rondo was not the guy that beat the Lakers. Like I said, the Lakers were a soft team then and were missing 2 starters. When they played them twice last year with boston healthy and hungry both times, the Lakers won and if you watched those games, you would see how Rondo was left alone and being dared to shoot while Kobe played off him in the passing lanes.

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Playing off of him has never

Playing off of him has never stopped him from running the offense and making the right plays. He has never been a good shooter, but even if you play off of him he will still set up his teammates. And you cant use the Lakers being soft as an excuse for Rondo playing good. And Im not even gonna believe you really think they wouldve won with any "decent guy at PG, I dont even get what that means.

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I'LL TAKE A HEALTHY NELSON

I'LL TAKE A HEALTHY NELSON OVER RONDO MAGIC BEAT THE LAKERS AND BOSTON WITH A 100% JEMEER AND I A TAKE HARRIS OVER RONDO TALK ABOUT MAKING A SPLASH ON A GAME HARRIS WILL

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not sure

what you don't get about that. I think the Celtics were the better team and would have won with any decent pg taking Rondo's place. Not sure how else to say it. But why can't I say the Lakers were soft and it lead to Rondo playing well? Everyone knows that Fisher has lost a step, and Farmar is not a great defensive pg. But the Lakers had trouble putting Kobe on Rondo because it meant that Radmanovic, Walton and Vujacic would be left alone on Allen and Pierce. Also, without Bynum, and Gasol playing at center, it was easier for rondo to get into the lane and make plays. The Lakers being soft is a totally viable argument for Rondo playing well, as well as Pierce, Garnett, Allne, Powe, and Perkins who also all played well. Rondo's won one title while playing with 3 other hall of famers, sorry if I don't think he was the difference maker in that series.

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I mean do you think Eddie

I mean do you think Eddie House and Pruitt are decent, because if your talking about a decent player from another team, that argument is irrelevant.

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ROSE OR RONDO

They have different type of games Rondo is the 4th and sumtimes 5th option on the team while Rose was the 2nd option for the Bulls last year.

Rondo might not be much of a shooter but his assists, fg%, 3pt %, rebs, steals, pts have improved in each year. Rose isn't the greatest shooter either he shot only 22% on 3 pointers. Rose did have a very good series against the Celtics last year but he averaged 5 TO's a game and 6.5 assists with 19.7 ppg and hit 0 3's. Rondo averaged 2 TO's a game with 2.7 stls, 11.5 assists, 19.5 ppg and hit 4 of 9 3's.

Look at the mins played in Rondo's rookie year he avg'd 23 and Rose 37, Rose scores more but he took 5.5 shots more a game both shot an excellent %. Rondo is a better passer & defender that makes him a better pg right now and he's played only 3 years in the league.

Not sure why everyone is on the Rose bandwagon besides scoring and ft shooting how is he better than Rondo.

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^^^^

Thank you sir. That proved alot, showed that Rondo outplayed him head-to-head at the highest level they both have played at against each other and the true fact that Rose does nothing better than Rondo outside of shoot, which he actually did (statistically) worse than Rondo at as well. Rondo is better at pretty much everything, even if you go by stats.

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damn

This is a complete toss-up with both of these guys being at the point that they are in their careers. There is simply no clear cut answer, it's like the Kobe-Lebron debate, and we won't know the outcome until 2019 lol.

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Chicago could possibly be

Chicago could possibly be better this year and also i guess yall did not hear about Rose tearing it up for the Olympics commitee with Durant and Gay. The future is now. I agree with a lot of stuff gatorhills is saying.

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