Mayo or Roy
Brandon Roy is a terrific combo guard with skills and finesse... Same with OJ... The only problem with Roy is that he had to go thorugh 4 years in college which made him polished already while Mayo only had 1 year, so OJ has a chance to be better than Roy... But in terms of leadership, I go with Brandon...
I like Roy for the reason that he does carry himself with an aura of calmness on the court, that kind of thing that keeps his team calm under pressure. I like him better as an overall team leader whereas Mayo will likely be more of a stats leader. Regardless, they will both be all-stars for a while, and for their overall careers will probably have similar numbers. I just think Roy's teams will win more games.
I remember a recruiting story when he was visiting USC, the coaches told him to go off and hang out with some of the guys, instead he locked himself up the gym and practiced the whole night! You have to ask yourself, what teenager would pass up the opprotunity to go out and party on an official recruiting visit?
As much as I love Brandon Roy, "The fatal attraction" gets the nod in my book. He's lethal with the rock, and can score at will. The only issue with him is his he seems to take bad shots, but once the Grizzlies surround him with more talent look for his efficiency to go up.
Everybody has their own opinion but I'm surprised a lot of y'all are saying that Mayo will be better than Roy. I don't know if it's because Portland is on the West coast and their games come on late or what, but y'all must not watch enough Portland games because it's not even close. *It's disrespectful almost* Roy is the 3rd best shooting guard in the NBA behind Kobe and Wade. Not only that, he's quickly becoming one of the best closers in the NBA. Roy is on the verge of becoming a superstar.
Grizz32 you're a little biased. Since you want to judge off of statistics, the only thing Mayo did better than Roy during their rookie seasons was play more games, more mins and take more shots on a terrible team. He shot better from the 3P and FT line than Roy, but it's not like Roy was a bum in those areas. Mayo is a talented player, but he benefited from gunning on a terrible team.
It's not just about statistics. Let's look at wins. In 07-08, the season before Mayo was drafted, the Grizzlies won 22 games. Since Mayo is such a sensational/star rookie, why did he only lead the Grizzlies to TWO more victories than they had in 07-08 lol? Mayo played 82 games too. The year before Roy was drafted, Portland won 21 games. Roy led his team to ELEVEN more victories during his rookie season. Mayo had a higher scoring average by a couple of points, but Roy led his team to eleven more wins. Which is better? Roy led his team to 32 wins in 06-07, 41 wins in 07-08 and 54 wins in 08-09 (4th seed in the playoffs). Do the math. Not only has Roy improved his game each season, his team has improved too. He's a winner.
Let's talk about Roy making the All-Star team in 07-08. Not only was Roy averaging 19, 5 and 6... He was turning Portland's team around. He was at the forefront when Portland went on a 13 game winning streak in Dec. He was deserving of an All-Star appearance. As I mentioned above, Portland won 41 games that season and was in competition for the 8th playoff spot.
Not only that, Roy just has a better skill set. He came into the league as a pass first big point guard while Mayo came into the league as a shoot first undersized shooting guard saying he could play the point. Like I said, other than 3P and FT shooting, Roy is better at every facet of the game. He's more athletic, explosive, quicker first step, stronger, better mid-range game, better rebounder, better passer, better court vision, gets to the FT line more, finishes with contact better, better CLUTCH performer... Not to mention making his teammates better and letting the game come to him. Roy is taller, bigger, stronger... It's just not even close! I could go on and on. I suggest everybody who chose Mayo over Roy watch more basketball instead of just looking at statistics and sportscenter highlights.
They play different Roy is a slasher who shoots when its hard for him to get to the rim and he got good playmaking skills . Mayo is a shooter who shoots first then drives. I cant say who better but mayo three years younger than roy so he might got more potential.
I wouldnt say Brando Roy is stronger than OJ Mayo, but I do think he's a slightly better player. And however thinks Mayo is overrated, you should watch basketball more. What weakness does OJ Mayo have in his game? I cant think of 1, outside needing to improve his shot selection.
Mayo has been in the NBA for 1 season. We dont know that. If he comes into the NBA and drops 25ppg next season then would you still question that? I wouldn't
Roy is more polished because he played 4 years in college against more polished opponents. I think Brandon Roy is alot like Jalen Rose because he has a good mid range game but isint too flashy with his game. Mayo can be alot like Kobe because he has the "flash" to his game IMO.
I'm not saying Mayo is weak, but Roy is A LOT stronger than OJ, especially lower body. Roy has that sneaky athleticism and strength. Eric Gordon is pretty strong and Roy was easily pushing him around and posting him... & I'm pretty sure Gordon is stronger than Mayo.
Mayo is a talented player, but I don't see a superstar. I don't even see a consistent All-Star either. OJ Mayo has quite a few weaknesses, not saying he doesn't have twice as many strengths. Not only is his shot selection a weakness, but he relies TOO much on the outside shot... Which is why he doesn't get to the free-throw line enough. Westbrook, Gordon and Rose all shot more free-throws than him last season. He doesn't drive the lane enough and when he does, he doesn't finish as well with contact around the basket. He's also still turnover prone and has questionable decision making. I mean, I respect your opinion, but Roy has more than a slight edge over OJ. I don't see any real weaknesses in Roy's game. He's the 3rd best shooting guard in the league right now and on the verge of becoming a superstar.
Right now Roy is the better player & yeah it isn't even close. Mayo has a lot of potential though. However, I don't think Mayo is as good as most people think. Just because he scores so much doesn't necessarily mean he is having a positive impact on the game. I don't think Mayo will ever be better than Roy. Yes Roy might not get a whole lot better but Mayo is so far behind him right now it doesn't matter.
one difference between Roy and Mayo , is Mayo is a rookie and i still dont know if he has bought into the team concept , on the othe hand Roy and Lebron have a rare quality , they are 2 superstars that any other player would love to play with, i dont know if i can say the same bout Mayo yet
I won't compare them to other players or try to project their stats, but I'll give you my opinion on what I think their ceilings are.
I see Roy's ceiling as a superstar caliber player. A player who becomes a regular/consistent All-Star and All-NBA Team selection. He's already a number one option/go-to player on his team, especially in the 4th quarter. I'm not for 100% sure, but he's was among the league's leaders in 4th quarter points. He takes over ball games. There's just nothing that he can't do on the offensive end. Roy has also won everywhere he's been. He's a winner. He's unselfish and makes his teammates better. He leads both vocally and with his play. He's only 25, so he'll get A LOT better. He can still improve in quite a few areas. Defensively is one of them. He's a good defender, but he could be a great defender if he applies himself. Last season Roy finished 9th in MVP voting. He got one 4th place vote and four 5th place votes. He was also named to the All-NBA Second Team. As I said in a previous post, he's already the 3rd best shooting guard in the NBA.
I see Mayo's ceiling as being a flashy/skilled scorer. He'll always have bad shot selection and be a high volume shooter. He's undersized for the shooting guard and doesn't have much length, so I don't know if he'll ever be great finisher around the basket with contact. I don't ever see him being a high volume free-throw shooter. His mentality is too set on settling for the jump shot. I see him making a few All-Star games, but not being a regular All-Star. I see him as a team's number two option. I'm trying hard not to sound like I don't like OJ, but I just think he's a little overrated. I don't see how he makes his teammates better. He doesn't have good rebounding or assist numbers. I think he has very good potential as a perimeter defender. I also think he'll be a great competitor and hard worker. I just don't know what else to say though. I don't see how much better he can get. He's just not close to Roy at anything (other than 3P and FT shooting) and this comparison baffles me lol.
I agree with most of that, but I do think Mayo is a better defender than Roy is, and he is going to get better as he learns his matchups tendencies. I also dont think he'll always have bad shot selection, thats something that can be worked out as you get older, and I do think he think he will be a number 1 option on teams. He is a good scorer and shooter, and he will be a good finisher around the rim in time, especially if he improves his already good strength. Your talking about very, very improvable weaknesses and I expect him to improve dramatically to correcting these things. But for now, Roy is better.
i dont wanna compare because they both will be stars for a long time..if i had to id pick mayo because of his age and the fact that tim grover said out of all the people he has trained one three had the drive that was matched by few (jordan,kobe,mayo)
I really like what Iguodala9 said. Im not trying to say Mayo is better than Roy right now. Roy is easily better, but in the long run Mayo can be better.Like many people have said Roy went 3 or 4 years in college. Mayo went just one and is doing fine. Him and Marc Gasol were the 2 guys on the grizz who really had that will to win. Mayo is first in the gym and last to leave. Only time will tell who is better
It isn't even a legit discussion. Roy has a lot more NBA experience than Mayo, so that's basically stating the obvious. Like I've been saying, the NBA is a tough league and it will take time and a strong head to get use to.
There have only been a handful of players that have been able to come in right away and set the league on fire. Brandon Roy got to where he is today because of his time in college.
For those that can remember, Brandon Roy tried to come out to the NBA right after High School but was shot down by most NBA scout's because he simply wasn't ready. While Mayo's been NBA ready since he was a junior in High School. Regardless whether he was a hold back or not. B-Roy still has some years ahead of OJ.
While I do agree that Brandon Roy did turn the Blazer's franchise around, and he's made himself a legit Franchise player. He was in a great situation over at Portland who has a owner (Paul Allen) who isn't shy to spend money, and a GM Kevin Pritchard who's been able to surround him with great role players.
The jury is still out on Mayo on whether or not he can put the Grizzlies in a respectable category in the Western Conference, but let's be honest. There's no way they are going to be able to attract players the way the Blazers can.
Lets do a little comparing with rookie sensation (OJ Mayo) and two time all star (Brandon Roy). These two players are probably the future in the SG's when Kobe is done and they will be behind D Wade. Lets take a look at their career stats....
Roy- http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/stats?playerId=3027
Mayo- http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/stats?playerId=3450
Mayo had a better rookie scoring season while Roy had a little more assists and rebounds. If you talk about being an all star look at Roy's 2nd season which he made the all star team. Roy had less than a point more than Mayo's rookie season, a few more assists, and one more rebound. I believe Mayo can do as well as those stats if not better. He should score about 21 points. His assists will probably go up because of having a low post scorer to give the ball to down low, and maybe 1 more rebound.
In the long run I think Mayo will be better but that may be because I am a Grizz fan. As for All-Star talks I think Kobe will make it easily so will Roy. With Mayo being the 3rd best SG he will still have to compete with Paul, D Will, Parker, Billups, and many other PGs because the ballot goes by guards.
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