Areopogus... I found a highlight vid with JUST Raja getting schooled... HAHAHA...
I had posted another vid with Kobe about a week ago and this dude said he never seen a video with Kobe killing Raja.. SO, I found one with JUST Raja getting killed... O.. Do you see the double teams? The greats give you at least one highlight a night. Its 82 games NOT including playoffs, they can't get EVERY highlight on a 8 min. vid...
we all know one person who cant talk smack about kobes offense: morris peterson. raja just got a little taste of the kobe effect.
I didn't see a single moment in that video where Raja got schooled. He played solid, fundamental defense on Kobe and Kobe just simply made good shots.
The term "schooled" means that you out-smarted another player with a pump-fake, crossover, etc and make them go in a different direction then you are cutting. Sometimes we call this "breaking your ankles" because you might fall over trying to change your direction quickly. The result is that you create a giant hole to either drive in and lay-up/dunk or to do a wide open pull-up jumper.
The only time Kobe did something in this video that resembled that is when he dribbled Raja into a Luke Walton screen. The blow startled Bell who was moving to Kobe's right. At impact, Kobe immediately darted left and had an open lane to dunk. NOW, if Kobe had used a crossover to cause Bell to stumble, then he would have seriously taken him to school. But because he used a Walton screen, I see that more as a good basketball play, by a well coached player, done with perfect execution.
This video is summed up every well around the 2:52 mark. Raja shuts Kobe down in the corner because he's good at sticking to his defender like glue. Kobe tries several moves but can't get the space. The result is an off balance fade-away and is a beautiful shot.
Raja Bell isn't a particularly tall or long player. I don't know how their wingspan's are, but Kobe is a solid 1 inch taller. That's not huge, but that's why Raja doesn't try and block Kobe's shot because he physically isn't going to be able to.
Don't get me wrong, Kobe Bryant is probably the 10th greatest player of all-time and could even move up 2-3 spots before his career is over. He's amazing; he's a beast. I expect my 7-10th player of all time to make really amazing and beastly shots. This video proves why Kobe is as good as he is. He has the rare ability to create ANY shot he can think of and make it. These are well-defended plays, which is what you want your star player to do.
Raja Bell just sticks on people like glue and can stay with them step for step (the only time I know of that Kobe got by him is when Bell close-lined him out of frustration). This usually frustrates defenders into forcing up bad shots. If they miss a few, then psychology takes over and they have a bad night. He got called the "Kobe-stopper" not because he ever held Kobe scoreless or completely shut down. NO ONE is going to COMPLETELY shut Kobe down. He does know how to limit Kobe's production, and for a super-human like Kobe Bryant, that's as close to shutting him down as you're going to get!
Great players make great shots. 'Nuff said. I don't want to take anything away from what Kobe has accomplished. The junk Kobe is talking about in this video about their "rivalry" reminds me of Kobe saying he didn't need a 4th ring without Shaq. Before he got it he said he didn't need it to cement his legacy and now that he has it he says it makes him look even better (essentially admitting what we all know). The trash-talk in this vid reminds me of that in terms of who the best defenders were against him.
Ron Artest is usually regarded as one of the greatest defenders today. He is 6'7-8"ish so has about the same height advantage on Kobe as Kobe as on Bell. I would argue that Bell defends Kobe, for whatever reason, better than Artest does. I remember when Houston and LA played once this year Kobe and Ron got into it and Kobe was like, "you stopping me? Can't nobody stop me!"
That sums up my argument best. You might not stop him completely because he's going to make the seemingly impossible shots. But you can make those shots harder and can frustrate them into missing enough of them that your team can win :-)
Bell is overrated. I wouldn't want him starting at SG for my team. That is why I have been saying Charlotte needs an upgrade at SG asap.
I agree with Gatorheels that Raja is only a good starter for a team built at either PG or PF/C. He would serve Charlotte better (especially at his age) coming off the bench. My HOPE is that Henderson is the steal of the draft and is a future star. Next year this time we might know if he could be. Bell would be nice coming off the bench to hold the other team's best player's numbers down.
Yeah man I hate to say it because I do like Charlotte but they are going in the wrong direction. Especially if they lose Felton. If Felton leaves then they better spend that money on somebody else good this offseason. Trading Okafor hurts a little. I think Henderson & Brown aren't anything special. It just sucks when the Bobcats were so close to the playoffs last season & now they take a step back. I figured they would have a great draft & sign at least one good free agent. That doesn't seem to be the case...Charlotte is being pretty cheap right now.
im guessing there setting tnemselves up for 2010 free agency.
The OTHER video I posted wasn't a video of Kobe "schoolin" (the wack definition you put it in) other players. It was in fact highlights of Kobe's games. It might be 3's, passes, dunks, fadeaways, etc... And here's what going to throw ALL that out the window. The FIRST video was of 2 years worth of basketball (notice the 24). THE LAST 2 YEARS OF BASKETBALL. In which the Lakers were 6-1 with Raja on the Suns. And that one loss was when Raja didn't play. I'm not saying Raja ISN'T a solid defender BUT come on with the "Plays Kobe the best" crap. The only thing to stop Kobe is Kobe because he settles too much. In that year they were double teaming him all over the court. Raja didn't stop him or "BOTHER" him, the team did. You see that LINE-UP Kobe had? WHAT... I'll post another Vid of Raja getting "schooled" in your terms and falling by KOBE next...
I had to read the Luke Walton screen ish again. So, Luke was on the left side of Raja to set the screen and Raja got caught up in a screen that Kobe "Didn't" use? I think that's a bit of an acting job on your boy part..
Now your definination of "Schooled" or killed. REGARDLESS if its a crossover, dunk, lay-up, 3, fade away, or anything else. If a player scores 30, YOU GOT SCHOOLED... I never heard a player getingt lit up for 30 and still say he's a stopper BUT Raja Bell. LOL... Why you think Ron Artest said B-Roy is the best player he played against? (For your Ron Artest analogy) Because he gave him what we call on the B-ball court BUCKETS.... And Ron played some of what you called "Played B-Roy the best Defense" and still was getting BUCKETS scored on him.
I'm not trying to take anything away from Raja Bell like Kobe said, but lets be real. Raja or NO one man can STOP OR contain him or a LeBron or a Wade. It takes a TEAM effort to do that. Which what he had. The number 8 Kobe was my favorite Kobe. Half of the bad shots he took was because he knew the best thing he had of winning was his bad shot. WHO was going to take them? Kwame? Smush? Lamar? Chris Mihm? A bust looking Bynum? Don't get it twisted. Kobe gave that boy buckets... And here I'm about to prove it...
You noticed what Mark Jackson said? ONE GUY CAN'T GAURD HIM... LOL... I think at about the 3 second mark it pretty much sums everything up. LOL... He FELL..... MUHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
this guy sucks man nobody can guard kobe
Kobe Bryant just is that good. you can't blame raja for not being able to cover, raja.
And tuck really you just &$#%#&@! yourself, by saying if someone scores 30 on you, you are not a stopper. Kobe has dropped 38 on Battier, currently considered the premier defender in the league. Kobe has dropped 30 on Bruce bowen multiple times when bowen was considered the top stopper in the game.
i agree Rajas ot a good starter. he fit perfectly with the Suns role as a defensive player but hes not more than a 3pt shooter and defender, hell struggle if they lose Felton.
Watch your mouth before I lyrically BAPTIZE you son. Battier is a good defender and so is Bruce Bowen (highly over rated in my opinion but I'll get to that at another time). BUT not stoppers... If a dude scores 30 on you, you should drop your head in disgust. Am I the only one on this site that actually competed in basketball? I mean a couple of you think getting 30+ scored on you means you are a defensive stopper. Because instead of the dude going pass you to score, he just scored OVER you... LOL... Im lost for words... Can one of you guys give me the definition of a defensive stopper then? I'm a little flabbergasted over this. I just don't know what to say really...
Battier and Bowen aren't stoppers? What player is a stopper then? These guys have been considered the best one and one defenders for nearly there entire careers. Bowen was all-nba defense for 8 consecutive years. I guarantee I can dig up a boxscore with Artest or nearly any good defender getting 30 dropped on them. It happens. Guys like kove and Lebron are just too god for any defender to stop and they get hot and drop 30 on someone. Can you honestly find a player that hasn't had 30 dropped on him sometime in his career?
The definition of being a stopper is simple- in one-on-one situations you allow your man to score significantly less than the league average. I would consider Battier, formerly Bowen, and formerly Artest (before he got old and slow) in the highest category of stopper. Raja also is a good defensive player.
They're good defenders maybe GREAT defenders at times. But if a player scores 30+ points on you WHO did you stop? You stopped him from scoring 40? No, seriously who the &$#%#&@!k DID you stop? I mean I already established they were good defenders, but they can't STOP him. Isn't that what this is about? Stopping KOBE? Or KOBE schooling Raja? I mean you said it yourself "Guys like Kobe and Lebron are just too good for any defender to STOP and they get hot and drop 30 on someone"... When the highest league average is 30 how did you stop him from scoring that?
A stopper is basically someone who holds a PARTICULAR player who scores 30 pg to 15 points, while shooting a horrible %. They may have stopped someone before (actually Shane is probably the best man to man defender in the league. He makes it hard to score) But they haven't stopped Kobe... I'm just saying, say they are great defenders don't say stoppers because that's to the extreme when you mention KOBE... You can say they make it harder for him to score... But stopping him? HAHA...
But a stopper TRUE meaning? I've actually watch Artest give dudes headaches and shut them down to 15 points. Ask LeBron... LOL... I haven't seen a defensive Stopper in a long time and Ron is probably the last one... Hand-Checking has ALOT to do with that tho... Which shows you how great he is... But he still didn't stop KOBE... And that's what this whole thread was about!!!!!
Raja Bell is a good defender and shooter but once again, you guys are calling players overrated that arent hyped up/talked about alot. Nobody thinks anything more of Raja Bell than him being an elite defender and spot-up shooter, and he's good at those things, so how is he overrated?? Nobody says he's gonna take the League by storm or anything...he is "rated" just fine.
I would say he is overrated because he starts & has no business doing so even for a non playoff team like Charlotte. He is simply a solid defender to bring off the bench at best.
I can call him overrated if I want too. He is not that effective when he is on the court simple as that. There are a ton of SGs in the league that are better than Bell.
Yea that does have more to do with the team than him being overrated.
I guess yall just have a different opinion of what overrated means. In my eyes even if a player doesn't have a ton of hype he can still be overrated.
In other words a lot of people think he is a solid starter... I don't so I say he is overrated. Same thing can be said for a team ranked in college at like #20, they don't have much hype but I think they should be ranked #40... I would call that team overrated.
As far as I know I didn't say that. I just said he's NOT the "Kobe Stopper"... But I would say the description of Raja "Areo" gave would make someone say "HE'S OVER RATED"... Now Bruce Bowen is over rated to me...
Since I couldnt put it in words that would be easy to read I just looked up overrated on some website and it said:
"make too much of, rate too highly, assess too highly, overpraise, exaggerate the worth of, overprize, think or expect too much of, think too highly of, attach to much importance to."
Raja Bell doesnt make any of those come to my mind. And neither does Bruce Bowen.
I would say Raja Bell is overpraised, exaggerated worth, overprized, expected too much, think too highly ha he is a bunch of those. Like I said dude starts & doesn't do anything on the court. At best he should be a bench player that plays pretty good defense. Dude is overrated. His PER is 10.7 which means he is well below an average NBA player. He is also overpaid. I'm done talking about this.
Your definition- attach to much importance to. Raja WHO? If it wasn't for him talking ish about Kobe and clotheslining him I doubt there would be much talk about Raja Bell doing anything. All I can say about Raja is that he's solid, plays defense, and can hit the open shot. He's a great role player to have on your team.
This is why Bruce Bowen is overrated to me. Going back to your definition...
Over rated- exaggerate the worth of. Bruce Bowen is a solid defender BUT he gets away with A LOT.. He hacks A LOT and he has a defensive minded team. A team that trys to keep the opponent to score 88 points a game... He shut LeBron down in the finals because of the team. He picked up LeBron halfway from the 3pt and Half court line and forced him to make a move from there. When LeBron made his move and got to the Spurs D they collasped and shut him down. The same way Boston did Kobe in the finals. This isn't Rocket science people. But my opinion that he's overrated is just and I gave credible evidence to prove it. If you need visual evidence of Bruce Bowen hacking or getting Lit up just say it... Its only a few stroke of the keys away.... LOL...
where is he? I hear *Crickets* people... LOL... Get in that azz and people have nothing to say... That's what's up... If I get showed up I'll accept the fact. I was wrong and you were right. Or I might agree to disagree, but I will never LEAVE and not say anything. That's BS to me... That's why I say it once again I have respect for Gatorheels, Iggy.... You know the list....