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If I hear someone else say how great of a rebounder LBJ is...

I'ma scream...

After I read an article about how Larry Bird average 10 rebounds per game, I was spent... How can this non-athletic dude average 10 boards playing SF, the same position as LBJ? So, I went and did some research. Not only is LBJ 7 Rpg average is just above average, its been more than a few SF that out rebounded him... LOL... The league average CAREER rebounding for a starting SF is 6.2... That means YES the boy Melo, PP, Caron, Tayshaun, etc... I mean EVEN Rashard Lewis is right there with this guy... Then I go back to the older guys... Rick Barry (yes.. Rick Barry), Scottie, Worthy, Detlef Schremp, N'que, Dr. J... All average that much... Elgin Baylor, Larry, even freaking Shawn Marion average more than "8"... I'm saying its "Good", but not great... Its not head and shoulders over the rest.. Jason Kidd average 6.2... And he's a PG.. Magic is above 7 and he was a PG too...

I'm not saying his numbers aren't good, just not as impressive when I see other SF numbers... And with that athletic ability and the ROAMING defense it should be more...


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Great Point

I think even though Lebron can do a little bit of everything and do it well, he still has some holes in his game when you consider his size and athletic ability. Rebounding is a skill though. You would think that there is no way that Dennis Rodman could have averaged so many rebounds, especially as he aged, but he was relentless and always had good position and anticipation of where the ball was coming off. I think Lebron will eventually up his rebound numbers, but part of that I believe is coaching and I think if he can ever get more help around him that it will allow him to do more because right now he has to carry way too much of the offensive load. The other part is that if you watched him during the season there were a lot of games that he didn't play that much in just because the Cavs were winning by so much. Notice that in the playoffs he averaged 9.1 rebounds while also scoring 35.3 points and 7.3 assists, while shooting 51% from the field. The guy was doing everything.

For any guy (especially point guards) that rebound well that is not a constantly under the basket, I have a lot of respect for.

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maybe

Maybe its becaue LBJ has a team filled with capable rebounders so he isnt asked to rebound at a super high rate. Also, with much focus on man defense and the scoring/creating role on offense can we flaw a guy not to be able to expend tons of energy on rebounding? 7 per game is damn good if you look at all accomplishes in a game if you ask me.

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I think if LeBron had to

I think if LeBron had to average 10 rebounds, I believe he would.

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lebron can average 10 boards

lebron can average 10 boards if he wanted to but he rather lead the fast break instead of crashing boards....crashing boards esspically on defense is a big thing fo me....... and rebounding is a skill Im 5'8 or 5'9 but i out hustle and out boarded 6'4 to 6'5 players.....just the other day i played a guy atleast 6'2 or 6'3 and I havent balled in months got stronger in totally domlished the other teams front court as a gaurd because I crash boards. milsap,,craig smith,glen davis ,boozer, beasly,bass, all have rebouding skills and are undersized for the postion lebrons is tall as and weighs as much as these guys listed if not more.. I thinkhe should add this to his game on the defensive end it a help him get a ring....

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i think

lebron is like wilt, remember when people said he couldn't pass and he lead the league in assists? (from what i've seen on nba.com) i think if he neededs to rebound more, he would.

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also take into count back in

also take into count back in the day there were WAY more possesions per game.. which would open more rebounding opprotunities...

also shawn marion is actually a very very good rebounder... incredible length

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Look man, guys are bigger

Look man, guys are bigger and stronger than they were in Birds time. Athleticism and/or size is a must to rebound in the league now. Compare people of the same era. Plus there were much more possessions back then, hence more rebounds.

LeBron is a beast, end of story.

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If lebron played the 4 and

If lebron played the 4 and was not playing the perimiter on both ends of the floor he could easily be among the league leaders in rebounds. When your guarding the other teams best perimeter scorer it is pretty difficult to rebound after the shot. On offense he's taking all the shots so he can't rebound every one of them. If he were a post up 4 that didn't dominate the ball I have no doubt he would be one of the best rebounders in the league.

He STILL has a nice rebounding average despite the fact that he's never in the right position to get rebounds because of the way he needs to play for the Cavs to be successful. If you don't think he's a great rebounder just watch a game...he gets rebounds that no other players at his position could ever get, against taller players.

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yeah Larry Bird just played

yeah Larry Bird just played harder than Lebron honestly, he got a lot of hustle rebounds

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Gman.... read my post

Gman.... read my post

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tuck u have 2 expect

that lebron lovers will say lebron is great at everything. Im pretty much used 2 it by now. I heard once on this site that lebron was the greatest 3 point shooter in the league from the past 5 years. ppl will say anything 2 make their fav player look good to others. thats jus part of being an ignorant fan.

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Come on people!!!

And this is the problem I have with some of you. You see something that's not quite right and you give excuses. Did anyone read the part about STARTING small forwards in the league TODAY that average 6 rebounds a game? Its the average for ALL small forwards. I will admit that the Cavs have a couple of rebounding dudes in Varejao and (use to be) Ben Wallace, but that's it. NO ONE on that team averages 10 boards a game. So, I don't want to hear that he doesn't have to grab boards #1 (that's a lame azz excuse for B-Ball fans), #2, he's the anchor for that defense majority the time and he's roaming or gaurding a weak link, but whatever the case maybe he's still is in position to rebound. Him being able to average 10 boards a game "IF" (that word is terrible for ANY argument) he wanted to? Only thing I would say is he has the qaulities to average that many boards, but I wouldn't say he's "able" of averaging that many. Why? Because he NEVER did average 10 boards a game. You can't say someone is able to do something THROUGH a WHOLE season when they NEVER did it before. I can say Kobe is able to average 40 points a game for a whole season "IF" he wanted to. I can say Amare Stoudmire can average 30 and 10 "IF" he wanted to. Its nothing backing they claim up. Just because someone did it more than once DOES NOT mean they will do it for a whole season. That's why the NBA is the best in the world because for 82 games you have to play consistent for majority of the season. And that consistency is playing at a high level versus the best players in the game.

And HOWARD TREY- I've never said LBJ WASN'T a beast. I like him, he's from the double O and a great dude. BUT it doesn't mean "I" don't have a right to say the OBVIOUS. Which is, LeBron is being GASSED to be better than Mike or (today Kobe) and he doesn't play the same position. And honestly what you said about era's is a cop out, you add extra possesions and I add hand checking. The only thing I would say that's contradictive to that is Wilt stats were inflated, but that's because of 3 second rule. Other than that THEY ALWAYS COMPARE STATS. So, when you compare the secondary stats like rebounding, passing, steals, and blocks, I have to compare him to his SF peers (rebounding of course). And when you look at it he's just above average. I'm not saying his stats AREN'T good, but they aren't great. So before you start talking the G.O.A.T. ish make sure that person is the best at his position first. And the era's don't matter because each era had a leg up on another one.

And for ish and giggles Larry Bird had Robert Parrish, Kevin McHale, and Bill Walton AND still averaged ten boards a game. I don't give a F what yall say that's impressive. And for that Athletic/Size comment. What are you talking about HOWARD? Give me an example of someone back in the day whose size or athletic ability WASN'T a factor in rebounding? Larry Bird was 6'9 that's big right? LOL... Barkley was 6'5 and he was athletic... Name someone...

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