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who are gonna be the top PF's when

who are gonna be the top PF's of the league when players like garnett, duncan, dirk, and pau ( 29 ) retire?

I'm lookin at the younger powerfowards, not PF's in their prime or in their olden age...

al jefferson - close to prime age
Amar'e - 26 - he'd be #1 if he hadn't had those knee injuries
Lamarcus aldridge - watch this kid become great
chris bosh - close to prime age
blake griffin - the hype. he'll prove it
Al Horford - he needs to push himself to another level.
David Lee - non defensive presence. great rebounder and post player
Paul Millsap - another double double machine..like lee.
Kevin Love - same as david lee.
thompson - could develope good defense...good rebounder.
hawes - he's a true pf...not a center.
Glen Davis - won't be able to develope under garnett
Marreese Speights - if he can shake off his rawness..maybe he can move up.
brandon Bass - let's not overhype this kid...


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if your also counting pf/sfs

if your also counting pf/sfs put Beasley, Marvin Williams, and Anthony Randolph.

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Millsap

Millsap will be up there too, i love Bass but to me he is a very valuable role player, i don't think he will ever be a star

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strictly pf's

I'm look at PF's strictly. randolph might be considered a SF still

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are you counting anyone that

are you counting anyone that will be drafted this year?

favors, davis, motiejunas, brackins, sanders, monroe, aldrich..etc

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no,

I'm looking at the younger players in the league now.

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yeah. i agree im not sure

yeah. i agree im not sure Bass if he stays with Orlando will ever be more than a complimentry player beside D12.

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ok, seems like a good list

ok, seems like a good list to me then

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Jordan Hill....but im

Jordan Hill....but im bias..

Also, Phsyco T is a sleeper

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i also think Kevin Love

i also think Kevin Love could be a good player they might pup Jefferson at Center.

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Jeff Green

I think he will definitely be on that list too

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put Josh Smith too.

put Josh Smith too.

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Lamarcus aldridge

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Josh smith and Jeff Green

Josh smith and Jeff Green are not true PF's

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PF's

Beasley and Randolph have to be considered PF's.

I think it will be one of five:
Big Al
Amare
Bosh
Beasley
Griffin

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I agree with MagikKnick on

I agree with MagikKnick on the "sleeper." Definitely going to be a solid pro for years to come with his jump shot and aggressiveness.

In terms of possible "stars" I think Amar'e, without a doubt, is the best but he's had stupid injuries and now the eye thing. He could be a tragic case like Grant Hill where he could've been in a "greatest of all time" discussion but never got to tap into his potential due to injury.

Griffin will be a role player who will make 1-2 All-Star's probably. Please with these "Duncan meets Malone/Barkley" comparisons. Let's be reasonable here. Duncan is the greatest PF of all time and the most dominant player since Michael left. I see more Dennis Rodman with a normal brain than anything (lol...).

I expect Jefferson to have a big year and Bosh might surprise for the next few years as well.

In terms of guys from next year's class--I'll tell you in 12 months if Davis is going to be the DOMINANT big or not. He has the potential if he adds weight and develops a jumpshot. Kid blocks shots as good as any 6'10" you'll see and has good hops and big hands.

There are others as well in the next 1-2 years coming into the league that will probably be more dominant then what's their now (after the Duncan's and Garnetts are gone). I'm predicting a decline in PF stars until the 2010-2011 classes get to about age 25.

You got Griffin and Beasley but I think they will be 1-2 time all-star's as the 2nd or 3rd guy and that's it. The next group of perennial all-star's will take a while to come most likely. I'd expect more D-Wade type stars in the next 5 years to develop than the Duncan/Garnetts of the late 90's.

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no they don't

beasely and randolph don't have to be considered PF's. just like jeff green and josh smith, beasely and randolph = hybrid SF/PF's.

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i'm not talking stars

this has nothing to do with allSTAR or superstar status.

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Al Horford

If that guy gets a new team where he doesn't have to play center or if Atlanta gets a good center, he is the true mold of a power forward and would really flourish in his natural position, his 9 and 9 numbers and deceiving because he is playing center. If he can play his true position for a couple years the sky is the limit for that guy, 18 and 11 Elton Brandesqe player in the long run

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I think it really depends.

I think it really depends. From what I'm hearing all summer Green has put on 15 pounds of muscle. That'll make hime 6'9 245lbs which is really an Ideal pf size. Plus he's been working on defense and rebounding. If he is that size with like 18 and 8 and starting at pf with durant for then next 10 years then he is a powerforward. However Randolph and Beasley will probly be playing sf most their careers...As for my list I have Bosh at the top with Griffin, Love, Stoudemire(injuries could lower him), and Aldrige

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AMARE could be great...

AMARE could be great... Somone needs to teach him how to defend the pick n roll... He is HANDS DOWN worst in nba at defending it.. its his biggest deficiency..

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we finally find something to agree on. I think if amar'e hadn't had the injuries...and could play defense much better....wow.

btw, put the obsession of me not being a guy to rest.

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Where the Suns Go Wrong What

Where the Suns Go Wrong

What the Suns get caught up in is the switch. They attempt to double team but it’s usually lazy and doesn’t disrupt the PG’s pass much, if at all. This is because Amare has no clue how/where to place his double team on a guard. Thus, the pass to the receiving player is usually in the right spot which gives the Suns no time to rotate, and gives the offense multiple options to score.

Plus, when the Suns do rotate, it’s not nearly quick enough. Players need to anticipate the rotation and they’re not doing that. Improper rotation allows the offense to quickly move the ball around, or swing it along the perimeter (which opens up cutting lanes), to the open man. This is what kills the Suns.

(IF Amare can find the simple intelligence in doing this, He is probably the best on the list)

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injuries and Amare

i already think injuries have effected Amare's game. He's not as explosive or as good of rebounder as he once was, no doubt he has adapted his jumper and is still a very good player,and a player i like for that matter but i don't think his ceiling is nearly as high nor do i think he will play for as long as he would have if he hadn't gotten injured

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dgrizzly

True

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Jason Thompson im a littel

Jason Thompson
im a littel biased but hes still really good

David Lee is a double double machine
Lamarcus Aldridge is super skilled
Al Horford is gna be an all star

Bass is just a roleplayer but very good

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thompson

sup ukingsfan, thompson has the potential, but many people overhype the kid.

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JASON THOMPSON

used to be a guard.. Hes def the full package, just taking time to fill his body out. He used to be a guard and he had late growth spurt...

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Wats goin on Grizz??? I

Wats goin on Grizz??? I agree maybe hes a littttttlllleeeee overhyped, but he has all the potential in the world, could eventually become a 15 and 10 guy IMO

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No hard feelings microwave.

No hard feelings microwave.

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imagine playing guard your

imagine playing guard your whole life, then all of sudden sprouting 5-7 inches real late into your b-ball career... He'll get there, he just hasnt always been over sized like some of these dudes.. If you want comparison see (ryan thompson) his brother and the PG on rider.. hes 6'6", and thats what Jason used to be.... Takes time, but hes very european in the sense that he can step out and shoot, and he'll be a better banger in yrs to come.

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Microwave

The same thing happened to Earl Clark - he grew so fast he had to stop playing from growing pains.

dgrizzly- So you don't want to count pf/sf's but pf/c's like AL, Amare, Horford, etc are counted????? So I guess yo don't consider Lamar Odom a PF either?

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PF

Power Forwards Drafted after the 2002 NBA Draft to be the next top Power Forwards in the League are:

2002: Amare Stoudemire
2003: Chris Bosh, David West
2004: Al Jefferson, Anderson Varejão
2005: Charlie Villanueva, Channing Frye, David Lee, Brandon Bass
2006: Andrea Bargnani, LaMarcus Aldridge, Paul Millsap
2007: Al Horford, Yi Jianlian, Brandan Wright, Spencer Hawes, Joakim Noah, Carl Landry, Luis Scola, Glen Davis
2008: Kevin Love, Jason Thompson, Marreese Speights, JaVale McGee, Darrell Arthur
2009 Base on College experience: Blake Griffin, Jordan Hill, Tyler Hansbrough, Taj Gibson, DeJuan Blair

Future Prospect: Ed Davis, Donatas Motiejunas, Derrick Favors, Larry Sanders, Greg Monroe, Craig Brackins, Patrick Patterson, Gani Lawal, John Henson, Jan Vesely, Tristan Thompson, Perry Jones, Renardo Sidney,Ater Majok, Keith Gallon, Jared Sullinger, Howard Thompkins

NBA Drafted be up there soon:Serge Ibaka, Alexis Ajinca,

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Euroball - nice posts but

Euroball - nice posts but you left Beastley off the list and MCGee and Ajinca are centers

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LIke the list, David West is a top notch PF and has got no love on so far, but you are giving too much love, maybe if the topic was PF's that will contribute, Hawes and Noah may not be true centers but they are more C's than Pf's , McGee is a C, Gibson is not going to do anything, Jordan Hill is too much of a questionmark at this time, but i like a lot of your picks

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Keith Gallon will dominate

Keith Gallon will dominate when he gets to the league

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I'd have to say either

I'd have to say either Bosh or Big Al. They play a different style, so could be like complementary "Best Players." Al is always underthe basket, and creates space there, while Bosh put opposing PFs on the pine in foul trouble. Both vey valuable assets. Relating to Bosh, the guy has supposedly been hitting the weights hard this summer, and in a recent video looks quite a bit bigger. If he keeps his speed and gets stronger, he will probably top the list.

I have to agree that Staudemire has had numerous injuries, and has also had the recent benefit of playing with Nash. Lets say he goes to a team that has more of a shoot first PG (Chicago). You could see his numbers drop.

Another player to really keep an eye on in the next few years is Bargniani. He has a ton of potential to get much better, and could actually begin to live up to some of the Dirk comparisons. He really needs to improve his rebounding, but his D is already way better than Dirk's. He only got consistent minutes last year, and did very well. he is another guy who could end up living at the line. All this being said, he has a lot of catching up to do to match Bosh, Staudemire, Jefferson, and even West, but anything is possible.

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The problem is

2002: Amare Stoudemire
2003: Chris Bosh, David West
2004: Al Jefferson, Anderson Varejão
2005: Charlie Villanueva, Channing Frye, David Lee, Brandon Bass
2006: Andrea Bargnani, LaMarcus Aldridge, Paul Millsap
2007: Al Horford, Yi Jianlian, Brandan Wright, Spencer Hawes, Joakim Noah, Carl Landry, Luis Scola, Glen Davis
2008: Kevin Love, Jason Thompson, Marreese Speights, JaVale McGee, Darrell Arthur
2009 Base on College experience: Blake Griffin, Jordan Hill, Tyler Hansbrough, Taj Gibson, DeJuan Blair

is that only al jefferson has a goood back to the basket game and even though the face up game is becoming the trend in a few years it will be out and because it doesn't work that well. Lets think of guys that have back to back basket games in the nba now.......... Garnnett, duncan, shaq, Paul Gasol, all have amazing post moves and all have one championships

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The problem is

2002: Amare Stoudemire
2003: Chris Bosh, David West
2004: Al Jefferson, Anderson Varejão
2005: Charlie Villanueva, Channing Frye, David Lee, Brandon Bass
2006: Andrea Bargnani, LaMarcus Aldridge, Paul Millsap
2007: Al Horford, Yi Jianlian, Brandan Wright, Spencer Hawes, Joakim Noah, Carl Landry, Luis Scola, Glen Davis
2008: Kevin Love, Jason Thompson, Marreese Speights, JaVale McGee, Darrell Arthur
2009 Base on College experience: Blake Griffin, Jordan Hill, Tyler Hansbrough, Taj Gibson, DeJuan Blair

is that only al jefferson has a goood back to the basket game and even though the face up game is becoming the trend in a few years it will be out and because it doesn't work that well. Lets think of guys that have back to back basket games in the nba now.......... Garnnett, duncan, shaq, Paul Gasol, all have amazing post moves and all have one championships

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Gallon

I have a hard time believing that, an unathletic yet quasi quick 300 pound powerforward who yes does have some skill, but 6'9'' and 300 pounds is a hell of a lot more dominating at a high school level than it is against grown men who are 250 and have a 38'' vert and are just as strong, talented, and as tall as you. Gallon is a good college player, but i don't think he will be much more than another Tractor Traylor in the league

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horford, amar'e and al jefferson are all true PF's that have to slide to center. but they are TRUE PF's....

Beasely is not a PF... and it would be a mistake to play him there...sure he's 6'8..but the kid is too skinny and lacks the weight necessary to bang TRUE PF's in the nba.. SF is his true position. Green, from what i read of an earlier post...is 245 pounds...that puts him in the PF category at 6'9. Odom is a PF yes.

stereotypical true smallfoward body = 6'7 - 6'10 from 210 - 240'ish

stereotypical true powerfoward body = 6'9 - 7'0 from 240-270 ( weight ).

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joeWolf1 just wait till he

joeWolf1 just wait till he gets to the nba and dominates then we can talk ok?!

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Amare..

Alridge
Al Jeffereson
Griffn
Bosh..

horford is more of a center now.

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