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Zion vs Lamelo, 5 years from now

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Zion vs Lamelo, 5 years from now

I wrote a little piece about their play this season and how I see them develop in the years to come. Who do you think will end up the best of them?

www.weballin.net/2018/02/26/zion-vs-lamelo-who-has-the-best-chance-to-become-a-nba-star/


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Good analysis on both of

Good analysis on both of them. I think Zion has better tools for the NBA with his length and athletic ability, and I think he will succeed. I think Lamelo is wildly overrated and every single person in the league will be out to get him, whereas Zion's quietness could help him in the league. Lamelo can make a wide open three every once in a while while Zion seems to be able to create his own shot pretty well.

Also, you've got a great website. You have my follow now. You should make a create your own mock draft on the site if possible.

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If Lamelo

understands what team play and defense are, he will be a killer. He's one of the most gifted guard prospects I've ever watched and will have great size as a guard or combo.

Thanks for the compliments, I've just launched it so I hope you will appreciate

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Did you really just write

Did you really just write that LaMelo Ball is one of the most gifted guard prospects you've ever watched?!? Is this real life?

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Lol what the flying fck

Lol what the flying fck right..! LaMelo is not an NBA player, now or in any sane persons projections. If he gets roster spot it's to market the Ball family. You have a better chance of watching these two play each other in China! Zion is dunking everywhere now but I can count successful power forwards at his height on one hand. I hope he succeeds but he is not a sure th ing. In fact, I'd go as far as to say he is one injury away from a career at In & Out burger. Without his vertical he will not be able to contribute at NBA level.

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Agreed. Didn't want to seem

Agreed. Didn't want to seem like I'm hating, but Williams is far from a surefire NBA prospect. He could easily be overseas, injured (or trying out as a tight end) in 5 years. The only way LaMelo Ball is near an NBA court is if his brother gave him tickets, and I'm not convinced he'll be there either.

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Williamson is top 5 in most

Williamson is top 5 in most mock drafts for the 2019 nba draft I have seen. Barring some massive collapse I think he’s about as surefire as it gets for an NBA prospect. Saying otherwise would just be an oblivious statement bred out of some sort of dislike for the kid. I think he’ll have no problem succeeding in college and keeping his status as a lottery pick at least. As for the NBA, well...

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So were Skal Labisierre,

So were Skal Labisierre, Malik Newman, Andrew Harrison, etc... I could go on for days. Williams seems like a good kid, and I hope he does well, but he's got MASSIVE holes in his game that could easily be exposed in college. Also, don't play amateur psychologist on a basketball site.

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Those guys may have not lived

Those guys may have not lived up to the hype they received but nonetheless they all turned out to be NBA prospects as they are in the NBA(minus Newman), just not as successful as people thought they might be. As I said previously, I’m fairly certain Williamson will be drafted. Whether he’ll do well in the league, I’m with you, very uncertain.

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Not trying to be a

Not trying to be a psychologist. Just pointing out that saying a kid who is already being highly scouted for the NBA isn’t an NBA prospect is just plain hating. Even Cliff Alexander saw time in the league.

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That's fair. My point was

That's fair. My point was more that being a HS stud doesn't automatically translate into draft status, specifically when the player in question appears to be severely underskilled in line with their athleticism.

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in term of what he can do

I repeat without problem that he's very gifted, he can shoot from everywhere, finish with floater with both hands, pass with both hands, and will end up 6-5/6-6 with athleticism, now if you took the time to read my article, I'm saying that he has to understand what it takes to work as a team and on defense.

I don't like at all these youtube videos with the kids screaming for nothing work, I'm talking real basketball and know some about it. He has a lot of things to work on but even if you don't like Lavar's circus and Lamelo's attitude, which I understand, you can't deny that he has some skills

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Saying he has "some skills"

Saying he has "some skills" is one thing (though still debatable), but saying that he's "One of the most gifted guard prospects you've ever seen" is something else entirely. Quite frankly, it's bat$h!t insane. Bad shot selection, bad body language, below average athlete, below average competition and a ring leader of a circus for a father isn't exactly appealing to NBA scouts. Writing all of that then claiming you know " real basketball" couldn't look more ridiculous.

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If you start with the

If you start with the assumption that Lavar Ball is better than Michael Jordan, and Lonzo Ball is the best player on the planet, then it only makes sense that LiAngelo Ball is among the best guard prospects in the history of the game.

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I said exactly the same thing

but you don't want to understand, skills is what he can do with the ball. It's different from his attitude or shot selection or defense. There has not been a lot of players with his handling, shooting and finishing ability, YET he has a lot of things to improve on for sure like all you mentioned.

If we talk about Lithuanian league competition (not the BBB challenge), for a 16 years old, it's far better than playing HS basketball. He had the opportunity to play against Zalgiris Kaunas, which is a top 10 team in Europe, and the other teams are made of pro players with American vets. It's not Spain or Turkey but it ain't that bad either.

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Dude, there have literally

Dude, there have literally been THOUSANDS of players with his handling, shooting and finishing ability. You've never heard of 'em because they're playing at your local YMCA. This is so absurd I'm almost convinced you're just f#ck!ng with us...

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What do you really want from

What do you really want from LaMelo? There's no denying his decision-making is horrible and he won't get near to the NBA if he doesn't correct that significantly, however you can't deny he is really skilled, especially for his age. Even Luka Doncic, who is playing like the best guard prospect from Europe after Drazen Petrovic (based on only what he's done compared to what the other guards had done at the same age and no, Rubio wasn't that good), wasn't consistently on Real Madrid's first team at the age of 16. Physically, there's such a big difference between 16 and 18 that scoring 19 against Zalgiris is a great accomplishment. He is definitely one of the most skilled players in his class, the problems lie in his mindset and decision-making. You can't come and say that there's 1000 guards who could have led their teams to the National Championship at the age of 16 and are playing at the local YMCA now. But this is the same guy who said the 2018 draft has only one future perennial All-Star-caliber player, so I'm not surprised at all.

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I don't want anything from

I don't want anything from him, and I wish him all the best, but there is literally NOTHING about his game that says "future NBA player." Doncic was playing in the toughest division, Ball is playing in their minors. That comparison is ridiculous. He didn't "lead" anything, and struggled terribly in AAU until his daddy yanked him and took him to play C league ball in Europe. I literally never once wrote that the 2018 draft has one perennial all-star. I wrote That it has the potential to be one of the worst drafts in a long time and there's only one dude I personally see really excelling. If you're going to try and argue, get your facts right and step up your reading comprehension.

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I mean, do you think he

I mean, do you think he should be dropping 40 on Zalgiris? What does he need to do to be considered a top prospect with one big flaw? If he had a good decision-making and his name wasn't Ball, he would be among the top recruits in his class. If he wants to make it to the NBA, he has to correct the first problem and maybe he does, and the second problem doesn't matter on a basketball court. He has all the other skills a player of his age needs to be among NBA prospects. Put Scottie Lewis into the same Vytautas team and I don't think he'd do much better, he'd probably just play more for his team. And you clearly misunderstood what I was trying to say with comparing him and Doncic - I didn't try to say he's as good as Doncic was at 16, the point is that Doncic was playing in Spanish 3rd league at the same age which is pretty close to the level LaMelo is playing at, although yes, he got his debut for Real senior team. He doesn't play for a top European team because he's just too young for that. And although you didn't say straight that the draft has only one player with superstar potential, you clearly compared all the players except Bagley to non-All-Star players. Your comments back then indicated that although the others may become stars, it's rather unlikely for everyone except Bagley.

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Everything you wrote is based

Everything you wrote is based off of what-if's and conjecture, none of which have anything to do with reality. Again, nothing about his game stands out as pro material, and that's just the brass tacks.

I didn't misunderstand anything; I directly addressed comments you made, which incidentally were wrong. Not sure what else to write here.

Again, YOU'RE making assumptions about what I wrote due to your lack of reading comprehension. Not really sure how you're connecting those imaginary dots, but right on.

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But is there any other option

But is there any other option than using what if's? No 16-year-old is a finished product. I'm assuming he can get his decision-making a lot better. This would make him a first-round-worthy prospect IN MY EYES if he develops other skills as expected. You're saying none of his skills are in level with the other class of 2019 prospects. I'm saying many of his skills are actually right at the top, he just needs to improve his decision-making. THAT'S the difference, not that I'm assuming that all his skills miraculously get unrealistically good. My only assumption is that he becomes a better playmaker, and that's all.

You did misunderstand because you didn't get what I meant. You could say I didn't express my opinion well, but you can't say you didn't misunderstood when you clearly did.

Here's exactly what you wrote: "Porter is more Gallinari than KD, Ayton runs like an injury waiting to happen, Bamba is Clint Capela with a 15 footer as his ceiling, Doncic may be Toni Kukoc, Sexton just plain isn't an NBA player at this point... Bagley is the only guy who doesn't worry me. He's a Lamar Odom/Shareef Abdur-Rahim hybrid that can be your prototypical 4 in today's game, but I'm not sure he's a first option on a winner. He'll, as good as Young has looked there's still legit concerns about his ability at the next level." An injury waiting to happen doesn't sound like perennial All-Star, does it? Nor does Clint Capela or Gallinari. Doncic looked like a borderline All-Star at best reading your comments.

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He has more to work on than

He has more to work on than his decision making. I've already addressed what his shortcomings are as a player both mentally and physically, and nothing he's shown projects at the next level.

I didn't misunderstand what you wrote as I clearly addressed it. YOU misunderstood what you wrote, which is not my problem. If you could articulate your thoughts through the written word more clearly then maybe you'd have an argument.

I know exactly what I wrote, as I wrote it. I also wrote that those are my opinions and I could be wrong, but you left that out. Now, unless you write something worth reading instead of regurgitating the same old nonsense, I'm out. Have a good'n.

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I haven't denied he has work

I haven't denied he has work to do, but if he gets his decision-making to a level at where he can play point guard without harming his team, he would be an interesting prospect if he develops other skills as expected.

I'm not a native English speaker so I agree I may have not expressed myself well enough. Let that be.

I think there's no one who says their opinion is never wrong, so that doesn't deserve mentioning in my opinion. I just don't agree with you. I'd also like to spend my time on something more productive, so let's stop it here.

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Didn't mean to offend. For a

Didn't mean to offend. For a non-native speaker, you presented yourself well, I just disagree.

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Before you can use that

Before you can use that against me, yes I can't say for sure how Scottie Lewis would be doing in Lithuania, i just think that no 16-year-old prospect in the world would dominate the league and score 20 a game there. Doncic would probably have scored more, Wiseman would probably score more, but LaMelo's numbers against grown men are still relatively good.

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Delusional

You must be Lavar or a Lakers fan.

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Lavar

Lavar Ball, is that you?

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LAVAR? IS THAT YOU IN THERE???

Melo will not be a NBA player, I bet my left testicle on it...

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You did the mock draft on the

You did the mock draft on the link as well? If so you really got Bamba going #1??? I saw that and couldn't read the article, it loses credability because of the Mock draft.

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Bamba number 1 is unreal to you

but for me it is not at all Yes, I did the mock draft and explained every choice. Bamba is s not a finished product at all contrary to Ayton or Bagley and is already a better defensive player. As I said, if he can develop his shooting and strength, he will be above Ayton and Bagley for sure.

Whatever we think, he's not at all a Rudy Gobert type of player and time will tell us what kind of player he will become

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TOO MANY IF's...that's like

TOO MANY IF's...that's like saying, "If Shaq worked on his free throws he could be a good free throw shooter"

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