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Zeller's/Plumlee's

I find this kind of hilarious, yet at the same time do not know how accurate it may be, even though the source is supposedly the Nike Camp's. Most of the measurements are pretty much straightforward, the heights were supposedly taken with shoes, so you wonder if any of the guys had lifts (like the ones that made Spencer Hawes gain 2.5 inches in 2007). Supposedly Enes Kanter measured in at 6-11, so he is probably at least a legit 6-10, and Jared Sullinger was 6-9, which should be good for him. But, what I found hilarious was provided by the supposedly Raptoric (a word I just created, lol) Cody Zeller and Marshall Plumlee. Cody measured in at just under 7 feet and Marshall at 7-1. Their wingspans respectively? 6-8 and 6-8 1/2. Now, hearing this makes me incredibly skeptical, considering that Chad Ford posted that Devin Ebanks wingspan was the same as his height and that he also posted that Craig Brackins had a 40 inch vert, which was 5 inches off what he posted at the combine (and even than he still has a great vertical, just not Shawn Kemp.

But, if this is indeed true, I find it really funny. Both of these guys have two older brothers who were big high school stars, heck 3/4 were McDonalds All-American's (pretty sure Mason was not). But wow, these families produce 3 giant kids, and what are the odds that they all have T-Rex arms? I mean, if Cody Zeller and Marshall Plumlee actually have 6-8 wingspans, they make Kevin Willis look like Stretch Armstrong. I just wonder, do all the brothers (6 in total, to my knowledge, Mason and Miles at Duke, Luke went to Notre Dame and now backs up my man Ray Schafer for the Shiga Lake Stars in Japan and Tyler plays at North Carolina) have penguin arms? Is the wingspan of these players something that will hold him back.

Bill Simmons actually wrote his draft article and I really enjoyed it, but the best point he made was the one on wingspan. It seems to be a statistic Jay Bilas especially is obsessed with, but Bill said he looked it up and that the average wing span is 1.07 times your height. It seems very high to me, but was still incredibly funny, because even if the wingspan is slightly longer than a persons height, Jay Bilas proclaims "they have the wing span of someone who is 6-10" or something to that extent. Bill was using it in reference to Paul George who was measured at 6-8 (I think maybe even 6-9) and had a 6-11 wing span that Bilas raved about. Now, according to what Bill Simmons supposedly found to be the average (and again I find it remarkably high, but I will just quote it), Paul George is actually 2.5 inches shorter than what would be considered average. Do the math, and it would be true. Now, I am only using Paul as an example, but I think this just maybe leaves you thinking about whether a player really has an impressive wing span. I thought having a wingspan 2-3 inches longer than your height was impressive (I know mine is less, lol), but now, not so much. I recall Jay saying Greg Oden had the wingspan of a player who was 7-4, that would make his wingspan 7-10. Now, when you see Greg's wingspan is actually 7-4, you would more than likely say, "he has a 7-4 wingspan." So, just food for thought and maybe a little insight into truly has above average length in the arms.

Here is the link with the measurements:

http://community.foxsports.com/goodmanonfox/blog/2010/06/28/nike_skills_...


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LOL

I just tried to look up average wingspan, and I realized Bill Simmons used wikipedia as a reference. Now, many know not to believe everything you see on wikipedia, but in this case, I do not think Bill read everything on wikipedia. It was talking about wingspan in European art, which I do not think is human wingspan related. I think that is why the 1.07 seems so high, because I do not think that is the human average. I am wondering if anyone has ever measured average wingspan per height or position? I would do it, but it would be damn time consuming, and if someone else wants to give it a shot, I would be interested to know the results. As I said earlier, I doubt it is 1.07 a players height, unless you are drawing or sculpting them :) (Someone check the MJ statue).

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In regards to the Plumlees

It was Mason who was the McDonalds All American in 2009. Miles was not selected for the game in 2008.

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My mistake

Yeah, it was Mason. Got the two confused, the fact their names all start with M makes it more difficult to distinguish them. Why couldn't their names be Luke, Tyler and Cody, or something like that, might make it easier :)

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Ha

Yea Miles, Mason and Marshall it can get pretty confusing.

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I took a look at that and

I took a look at that and there were a lot of questionable measurements. Marcus Morris was listed at 6'9'' with a 6'7'' wingspan and I think those measurements are flipped. Marcus is about 6'8'' in shoes, so without I bet he's about 6'7'' and when you watch the guy play he doesn't have short arms. I've seen Morris play a lot more than Zeller or Plumlee so I can say that guy really doesn't have T-Rex arms I just think those measurements are about as accurate as a high school basketball program.

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Yeah

Some of those measurements did seem fairly inaccurate, but I bet the heights are actually fairly decent. I always thought Marcus was 6-8, so 6-9 wearing shoes does not surprise me too much, though I would have thought his wingspan might be at least equal to his height, but he definitely does not have super long arms. As far as Marshall and Cody go, I am fairly sure they are actually close to that tall, due to their listings beforehand and genetics. But, I just wondered why only Marshall and Cody had really freakish ones. I caught Marcus Morris, but I just did not find it to be to unheard of.

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Actual Nike Listing

http://inside.nikebasketball.com/news/wp-content/themes/inside_bb/images...

These were on the Nike site with the measurements from the camp. Again, might not be truth that these guys are indeed velociraptors, but very close :)

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I've always heard that

I've always heard that wingspan should be roughly equal to your height. I'm 6'4" with a 6'5" wingspan, but I think it's more common to find guys with wingspans longer than their height, rather than shorter. So, I think the average could be 1.07 times the height, but the median would likely be a 1:1 ratio.

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