Your MVP so far this season
For me 4 players stand out to me being Melo, Durant, kobe, and Lebron. They all are averaging 25 plus points per game. But right now I have to immediately remove Kobe because his team is 9-13 and the team doesn't even do well when he scores 30+ points.
Melo is averaging 27.7-6-2 on 46% which is pretty good. But then you look at Durant who is quietly having another superb season. 27-8-4 on 50% shooting, pretty clearly better than Melo. And then Lebron is avg 25 - 8.8 -6.8 on 54% shooting. That's pretty incredible for a small forward. Plus he is by far the best defensive player of the bunch
My vote goes to Lebron so far but also he's only shooting 66% from the line while Durant 89%. That makes it real close but still Lebron for me. What about you guys?
lol I understand how so many people can hate the fact he gets so many MVP's. But you really have to sit and wonder, how does LeBron do it. I mean you could say that "Well look at who he has." But the guy was doing the exact same thing on the cavaliers, and he by far is a much better defender now than he's ever been. I think Melo's having a great season, but honestly if I was going to give someone else the award despite the fact LeBron's numbers are clearly better...it would be Durant.
That is why I've said, its a two man race with for the most part but there are honorable mentions and the dark horse carmelo anthony. We'll see, its still early in the season. Btw...
Honorable mentions go to: Tony Parker, Rajon Rondo, and Chris Paul. That is how I feel anyway.
every year until he declines and or the heat slow WAYYY down
No mention of Tim Duncan? Guys been averaging 18 and 10 in 30 mins per for the team with the best record in the league.
Lebron, Barkley was right, Wade is a shell of himself and their bigs besides Bosh are useless.
KD for me. I also wouldn't say that LeBron is the best defensive player of the bunch BY FAR. It's close b/t he and Durant IMO. Durant's come a long way as a defender and is shutting down his matchup. I think what helps him defensively compared to LeBron is that Durant is still defending more SFs while LeBron is guarding more PFs than ever before.
so far, for me its melo. i wouldn't go into individual stats because he would lose easily lol but when your second best player on the team is chandler or felton and still be sitting on the top of the east.. that's really something else.
but the top east teams are in the middle of the competitive western conference. That being said, I would give the MVP to KD. He has become more of a play-maker and a better defender for the team. They now have the best record in the league. Lebron is great and has MVP trophies to prove that. Carmelo is too one-dimensional (What does he do besides score?) for me to give him an MVP. The Thunder have won 9 straight games, beating quality teams in the process, behind KD.
I'd give it to Kevin Durant.
27.3 points on only 17.2 FGA. That's the least amount of FGA since his rookie year. 51% FG. 43% 3PT. He's not taking as many three-pointers. 89% from FT... Getting there 9.3 time per game compared to LeBron's 5.8 on 67% and Melo's 7.8 on 80%. Durant is basically 50, 40 and 90... Who was the last small forward to do that? Larry Bird? Durant's numbers are very Bird like. I could see Durant eventually getting 10 rebounds and taking his assists up to around 5 per game.
He's averaging a career high in rebounds at 8.6. He's averaging a career high in assists at 4.3. He's also averaging a career high in blocks and steals... People don't talk about how much better he's gotten defensively. His turnovers are still a little high at 3.2. I'd like to see him get down to around 2 or so.
Then throw in the fact that despite losing a big piece to their team in James Harden, he has the Thunder sitting with the best record in the league right now. Longest winning streak in the league right now.
We're seeing a player who's headed towards not having one real weakness in his game.
He is the best player in the league. He is playing at an MVP level and no other player is doing what he is doing night in and night out. Now their are other players that are playing great ball right now Duncan, Rondo, KD and a list of other players. But the guy that I think is second in the race and can become this seasons MVP is Melo. He is the best player on the best team in the East right now. He is doing it big on both ends of the floor. Top three in scoring. Doing a pretty good job defending the power forward spot. He is helping out on the glass. Sharing the leadership role with Kidd and Tyson. He is doing everything that Coach Woodson has asked of him and more. Right now he is playing at an MVP level and if LBJ slips up this is the guy that can over take him.
KD for me. But if I were a voter, I would be one of those guys who wants to "spread" the MVP around a bit. MJ was the best player in the league every year of his prime. Same with Shaq and Lebron. But the award would get real boring if we constantly had four to seven year stretches were it went to the same guy. Lebron got it last year. KD has gotten better this year. That's good enough for me to share this award around a bit.
For fun, think about this. Who is "Most Improved"? Well it would be Mayo obviously. But a funny candidate for most improved is Kobe Bryant. Last year he had a 53% TS%. Basically league average and a shooting percentage easily beaten by many guards. But this year he is a scorching 61%?!?!? This is better than he has ever shot in his career. Amazing to make an improvement on something as basic as how much he scores per shot this late in his career. Now if Nash could just get healthy, I think you will see the Lakers become a terror.
Just so people know, I'm kind of joking about Kobe being most improved. But seriously he is hitting shots at a rate he has never come close to doing before. If he can keep this up and if the Lakers can, you know, find an NBA player to play PG for them (Nash is nice and hopefully the answer, but seriously anyone currently starting in the D-league would probably be an upgrade), they are going to be very good.
another funny mip canditate is tim duncan. last time he put up like 22pts 21rebs and 6blocks lol. not so sure but something like that is his statline. he is anomaly.. should be on declining sht or something checked his stats and he has improved on every category lmao
Al Horford has to get an honorable mention. What a difference he make for the Hawks.
its easier to win games with westbrook/ibaka , wade/bosh on your side, but its not their fault they have better supporting cast lol. if the season closes out and the records keeps its pace, then melo is my mvp. that being said, the playoffs is different story, i dont think knicks can push a championship run. by then you can have the best player on the best team for a finals mvp (KD, im going for the thunder this year). but for the season to me is melo
Durant: 27.3, 4.3, and 8.5 on 50/43/89 splits with 1.4 bpg and 1.5 spg
LeBron: 25.5, 6.8, and 8.6 on 54/44/67 splits with 0.8 bpg and 1.4 spg
To say that it's not close between these two is just simply a lie. Durant has the scoring, LeBron wins assists, and they split rebounding. LeBron shoots a little higher from the field, largely because so many of his shots are at the basket. LeBron's 3 point percentage might be the biggest surprise out of all the numbers, especially when you consider that him and Durant are attempting a similar amount of threes (3.2-3.6).
How a superstar shoots free throws at less than an 80% clip, let alone a failing-grade clip, is just beyond me. Plus, Durant is shooting over 9 a game from the line while LeBron averages just under 6 attempts per game. Durant wins that one by the largest margin yet. Durant has a lead over LeBron in blocks, which doesn't surprise me since Durant has always been a willing shot blocker while LeBron usually finds his blocks in the Top 10 on SC but not necessarily every night. Steals are a toss up. Durant is averaging half a turnover more per game too, but that's not that important of a stat for superstars imo. Still, LeBron is averaging 0.6 less tpg from his career average so that should not go unnoticed.
1. Kevin Durant, 27.3 ppg, 8.5 rpg, 4.3 apg, 50.8% FG, 43% 3PT, 89.3% FT
2. Carmelo Anthony, 27.7 ppg, 6.6 rpg, 2.10apg, 46.5% FG, 44.9% 3PT, 80.4 FT
Oklahoma City 18 4 .818
New York 16 5 .762
I got KD at #1 right now too. Statisticall him and Lebron are very similar. Durant has 1.8 more PPG, 0.6 more BPG, Lebron has 2.5 more APG, they have pretty much identical RPG and SPG numbers, Durant has the edge in True Shooting % with 64.2 to 60.2 but Lebron has the edge in Effective Field Goal % 57.9 to 55.3.
Lebron is the better defender but Durant has actually become a pretty good defender albeit just not among the best in the league.
However OKC has the best record in the league at the moment, while Miami is at #6. If that continues I feel like the edge will go to Durant. In the last 30 years every single MVP winner except 1 (Moses Malone in 1982) has been on a team which is either #1 in the league, #2 in the league or #1 in their respective conference.
Carmelo for me and I won't even bring stats into the discussion. We know Carmelo is going to provide great scoring, but he's picked up his defense and leadership this year, and he has been moving the ball this year, it may not show in the stats but he's gotten tons of "hockey assists." Also if you look at the top 5 candidates in my opinion. Kobe, Lebron, Melo, KD, and Steph Curry, which has the worst team? Carmelo, Curry's team would be 2nd. I think you have to take into the fact that the Knicks are at the top of the eastern conference right now, with Tyson Chandler and Raymond Felton as their other top 2 players, compared to: Miami- Wade and Bosh, OKC- Ibaka and Westbrook, Lakers- Dwight Howard and Pau Gasol, and the Warriors- Klay Thompson and David Lee.
When Amar'e and Iman Shumpert come back, the MVP will of course be Lebron's but as of right now my MVP is Carmelo.
And Yes I have Steph Curry in the top 5 of my MVP voting, finally healthy, putting up the stats and the team is winning. In 5th place in the Western Conference right now, 8 games above .500. 19.5 points, 6.5 assists, 4 rebounds and 1.7 steals.
But Rondo is averaging 13ppg 12ast 5reb and 2.1 steals while shooting a high percentage. He is balling.
Durant has rounded out his game, while being incredibly efficient on offense as usual. I think this year he's up there with Lebron. It's not clear if he is actually as good as Lebron, but in terms of MVP status, they should be considered equals for now. Lebron's FT shooting is definitely a factor.
Chris Paul would be my next choice.
To anyone thinking that Carmelo is deserving, Melo has been excellent. But I think his 3pt% is very high for him (45%) and will likely regress over the course of the season. That will definitely impact his numbers. Also, do not underestimate the effect that Chandler and Kidd have had on the team. Kidd, in particular, has done so much to change the team that he should be considered an honorable mention MVP, in a purely intangible sense.
Also, I have disliked Kobe for a long time, and I think he's been declining the last few years. BUT he's definitely an MVP candidate thus far. I can't believe he's shooting so well. It's truly remarkable. Duncan has made an amazing resurgence as well, but doesn't play enough minutes to for real contention at this stage.
For me, the MVP race so far is very close, I say that it is only three serious contenders for the MVP... Bron, Melo, and KD. KD is an assassin and has picked up his game tremendously to me. He's made it his business to hit the boards hard and improved his numbers all around, which cant go unnoticed. He is very deserving of the MVP trophy if he is chosen. However, unlike many people, I still dont see KD as being a good defender. I think he's average and gets exploited when he guards tough, physical players.
Melo IMO is the player in the NBA that scores easier than anyone else. He makes it look effortlessly. He has always been a clutch player and has improved his reliability and his numbers. He's a better rebounder than his numbers show and is the better shot creator than the other two guys. I think he's a better defender than KD because of his versatility on D. He's able to guard more people, from 1 to 4, just not as effectively as Lebron.
Bron is the best player in the league at the moment and affects the game much more than the other two guys. It ft shooting has been terrible this season but thats the only flaw. We dont have to talk about his numbers, but I'd rather mention his responsibilities. Even though he has Wade and Bosh, I think Bron has to carry more of the load than Melo and KD. I think KD carries less of the load, allowing him to only have to worry about scoring. He has Russ who handles the ball and does most of the creating. Ibaka is a high energy player that protects the rim at all cost on D.
Melo has a little more responsibilities. He sometimes have to bring up the ball but does not for them to win. His C is not an offensive threat but finishes well. Jason Kidd and Felton are good floor leaders and can run the offense well.
Bron has the most responsibilities... Wade and Bosh are superstars but its nothing that they do better than Lebron other than shoot free throws. For the heat, Lebron has to guard the toughest player at any position. He has to lead the team in rebounds, he has to create the offense. Its up to him to get everyone shots. If he had less responsibilities, I can see Lebron averaging more than 3oppg easily. Thats why i'd choose Lebron James for the MVP.
If you still think KD is just an average defender then you're not paying attention.
He had better points per possession stats than LeBron had last year, they're pretty much even this yr (Durant's overall PPP against = .86, Lebron's= .85), he's top 5 in the league this yr in defensive win shares (LeBron is not), he's giving up a lower PER against this yr, matchups are shooting a lower EFG vs Durant compared to LeBron, opponent production per game vs Durant this yr = 8.6, opponent production per game vs LeBron= 16.5.
I would have to go with KD.
Dude is blowing up and the Thunder are still winning sans Harden.
LeBron is having a great season shooting the ball, one of the best seasons in his career in that category. It's really a toss-up and you can't go wrong giving either of these guys the award to be honest. I would give it to Durant based on the Thunder's record and the fact that Durant has a statistical and minimal edge on LeBron. Carmelo is definitely in the conversation as well and if the Knicks keep playing like this at the end of the season, I wouldn't have a problem with him winning it either.
While Kobe is having a great season, the Lakers aren't winning. He had a terrific season in 05-06 but that did not translate to much. Plus, the Lakers are 1-10 when he scores over 30 points a game so the better he plays, the worse the Lakers are.
Melo. Doing the most with the least. Looking genuinely impressive, and improved. Lebron has been fine but getting dubbed by the Knicks twice, losing to the Wizards, and narrowly surviving San Antonio's B team has lead me to believe he just isn't playing with that repeat killer instinct I'd hope he would. Kobe? 9-14? c'mon man. Durant is probably second, he's done great, but he does have a legit number 2 guy in Westbrook so I give Melo the edge.
I'm not taking anything away from Melo and I agree that he doesn't have a legit #2 guy, but he's had crazy support from his teammates.
Felton is close to looking like he was in 2010-2011 and shooting 40% from 3PT. Kidd is providing leadership the team didn't have last season and he's shooting a blistering 53% from 3PT and has been HUGE for them. Novak is shooting 42% from 3PT. Smith has cooled off a little, but is giving them 14 points per game off of the bench. Say what you want about Chandler, but he's giving them 12 points and 10 rebounds while shooting 70%.
This is a team that waxed the Heat without Melo. This team kind of reminds me of that Dallas team that won the title. Dirk didn't have a legit #2 guy either.
I think Melo is clearly deserving (he's top three right with Durant and LeBron), but I don't see anything different in his game now than in his best seasons with the Nuggets. The only difference now is he's winning in New York City and people are now hopping on his nuts. It's funny because majority of users on this site just last season was ready to ship Melo out of town just to keep the ball in Jeremy Lin's hands. Majority of users on this site said he wasn't even a top ten player.
To this point is is Melo... He has the knicks with the best record in the EAST, has improved on defense and leadership. Lebron plays with two all stars Bosh and Wade Durant with one, Westbrook. How many does Melo play with? Once Amare comes back you can make a case for him , but u know Amare cant stay healthy and we are talkin until this point of the season. Has to be Melo's.
I'd put KD and Melo at the top with LeBron 3rd as of now.
The classic "Look who he plays with." The same thing with Rondo. "He's not the best pg in the league look at who he plays with." You guys sicken me with that argument, I'm getting sick of hearing it. Have you ever seen the Heat when LeBron leaves the floor? Dear god you can't even call it basketball. And you know what, last time I checked Raymond Felton, Tyson Chandler are both starters in the league. Jr. Smith is the ideal sixth man along with Jason Kidd and Rasheed Wallace playing solid.
Is Melo playing great? Yes, are his stats better than Durant and LeBron? No. Stats aren't everything, anybody knows that. But don't sit there and say Melo is the undisputed MVP this year. Its absurd, Durant has a better record while losing the former sixth man of the year. Good lord, if isn't laker fans, its Carmelo ball lickers.
what does MVP actually mean? The best stats? NO!!! it is the player that is most valuable to his team!! Take Lebron off the Heat they are still a playoff team... Take Durant off the thunder , who knows , But what in hell would the knicks be doin this year without Melo>? Please answer that question. People get caught up in all this s#it like who has the best stats , who has the best record? At the end of the day the award is about the value a player has to his team.
1. Carmelo Anthony
2. Kevin Durant
3. Lebron James
4. Chris Paul
5. Rajon Rondo