Yo Guys That T'Wolves Sixers Trade Turner is on like Donky Kong
Check the Espn podcast...Ford and Thorpe talking about the trade...ford going as far to say Kaun has to get it done and the team not wanting 3 rookies next year...I said this deal might go down...wow...it's looking a lil closer now...Do you guys think it happens...
Sixers Trade...2nd Pick for 4th/16th and 23rd(possibly) Turner is the guy the Wolves want...
Getting Favors or Cousins at 4...then hoping and praying a good off guard(X-Man Henry) is available...i think the bigs get some early spots...but that 10 to 15 area is dicey...that's why the third pick might be the deal closer....it might all boil down to the Sixers picking Turner and letting the chips fall where they may...
if the sixers got cousins and xavier they would be the undisputed winners of this draft.....those were my top 2 players of that class coming out of high school....them and iggy is a legit big 3 in like 3 years....if elton brand could stay healthy they would be instacontenders......
lol..Scarecrow my man.......my grandmother use to say..If u keep Wishing for something or Talking about the same thing..second after second,minute after minute,hour after hour,day after day..nite after nite..its Bound to come true..you keep posting it..over & over...it might come true..
I'm not playing when I say I can see the future...LOLOLOLOL....JK...But that trade is going down...But to me it all depends on the order of the draft...like if Henry is gone then the deals off. Unless the Wolves don't see a player there at 23 they love and offer the 16th(hopefully Babbitt or Anderson if Henry's gone) and 23rd picks...
it would be pretty hard to tell if henry will be there at 16.....my guesses are I doubt it....he shouldnt be.....I am gonna be peeved if he gets picked 16th though b/c my dream draft for the bulls is for henry to fall to 17.....
Wolves should do almost everything to get Turner but Sixers should not give up Turner almost for everything.
Turner is the MAN!
i mean they havent made any noise at all, the KINGS of all teams got something from Evans and that was their top 5 pick in a while, the Twolves get top 5-10 for 4-5 years now and i really dont know where they are going its like whoever they pick they give away and become above average players... i wouldnt be surprised by whoever they get because they probably wont keep him for long
I like Flynn....hopefully for them they can get something good for Rubio and they might be working with something.....they better do something in this draft though because if someone gave me 5 first round picks in 2 years and 3 in the top 6 I think I could build the first ever undefeated team....they arent off to a good start if they are going to trade up and not get cousins.....turner is respectable but it seems pointless if they can get Cousins for nothing.....
well said, i like Flynn too (just syracuse players in general) but im dying here waiting to see what Rubio can do in the NBA, he has got to be the most stupidest kid/athlete/star/etc. ever giving up a chance to play with the best players in the world and listening to his parents like a good little boy and staying in Spain and then signing a 6 year contract and gold digging the crap out of what he can for his skills i mean thats like JORDAN going to NY, then LA, then MIAMI, then BOSTON, then every other big market for 1 year max contract deals what an idiot... you dont have experience? dude neither does these guys from college and ur over there playing in leagues already, i dont think its Rubio i think its his parents and Spain in general
its a free country....Minnesnowta knew the sh*tstorm they were getting into when they chose him.....they got such a steal to get that pick too it would be ashamed to see it go to waste....
@leftover16 wtf r u talking about Rubio had very little choice but to stay over in europe because he couldn't afford his buyout which was more then what his rookie salary was going to be worth.
I only do this trade if Henry or Paul George is there at 16 i really doubt Henry will be there. I got him going 6 to the Clippers in my mock draft. That seems really high but Henry is the best small forward in this draft imo, because he has way more potential and scoring ability then Johnson and Aminu. The guy is in great shape and he can shoot with anybody in this draft. I dont understand why the Clippers really wouldn't entertain the idea of drafting Henry 6 there won't be a big man on the bored who would come in and have as immediate impact on that team next year as Henry would. Paul George is a Rudy Gay clone with an even better looking shot and is already a better catch and shoot player then Gay was at his age. That combined with his improving ball handling will make him a legit 6'9 shooting guard with a 7foot plus wingspan and a near 40 inch vert he's gonna cuz some problems in this league.
Whats really interesting is if the Sixers draft Cousins Dalembert may actually become more valuable to the team because Sammy is more then athletic enough to play the power forward position. Only he doesn't have power forward skills, Cousins does have power foward skills but isn't athletic enough to cover the quicker Fours in the league. A starting frontcourt of Sammy and Cousins could be pretty imposing, it could be everything that Chandler and Curry were not.
Ricky Rubio could've come to Minnesota if he really wanted to. Him saying that he couldn't pay off the buyout was just his way of saying "na-na-na-boo-boo" to the T'Wolves and an excuse so he didn't have to play there. I guarantee you if the Knicks or the Clippers would've drafted him (this is very hypothetical if you can't tell), he would've bought that deal out in a heart beat and he would be in the NBA right now...He would've signed with some shoe company or something, did some commercial or advertisement and bought out fast as hell with the money he got from it. He just didn't want to play for the T'Wolves. Pretty lame if you ask me.
I think if Kahn can get Turner then he may be able to redeem himself. I showed a spec for how this teams looks or will look if he makes this deal. Minny does not look that bad but they need to figure out their front court.
1st, Kila, the Clips have the 8th pick, not the 6th pick. Also, Henry is a prototypical SG. I doubt anyone but the Clips would be dumb enough to move him to SF.
2nd, leftovers, why wouldn't Rubio stay in Spain? Think about it, he's like LeBron over there. A superstar prodigy playing in front of his hometown fans. It doesn't sound like too bad of a deal to me.
3rd, midwest, I doubt you could have constructed an All-Star team with the Wolves' picks the last two years. Khan caught a lot of flack for going PG-PG in the top 6 last year, but that was really his only choice. Sure, he took the wrong PG in Flynn (instead of Curry or Jennings), but PG was the RIGHT choice. The best non-PGs on the board at that point were DeMar DeRozan and Jordan Hill, and I doubt either of those guys would have contributed to an "undefeated" team.
The reason I find Minny so interesting is they suck, but have so many assets to help turn this around in 3-5 years. Turner for 4 and 16 could happen. Turner Brandt for Jefferson 4 and 23 could happen. Turner for 4 16 23 could happen. Jefferson maybe moved for a steal to another team. Love could be dumped if they don't like what they get for Jefferson. Flynn isn't a superstar, but he's legit as a starter. Brewer improved his shot dramatically last year. I don't expect him to be a superstar either, but he's young and still improving. Lot's of cap space and pretty much guaranteed to be in next years lotto. They won't be good right away, but a lot of times bottom dwellers are stuck in the hopeless state with bad contracts and few draft pick. The Wolves have lots of picks, lots of cap space and a team with really young players that haven't started declining yet.
The reason Rubio wouldn't want to stay in Spain is for one.... they don't offer 90 million dollar contracts and #2 Why would he want to stay in the "minor leagues" just because it's close to home? As a competitor it's only natural that he would want to make as much money as possible and play against the greatest competition.... and could only be accomplished be playing in the NBA.
The best decision for Rubio at the time was to stay in Europe.
DKV Joventut was asking for a lot of money for Rubio's buyout (I think it was 3 million+, and as a side note, Rubio made around 110k in his last season with DKV Joventut and probably made less than 500k for his years with DKV Joventut.) The TWolves could only contribute 500k in his buyout, so Rubio would likely need to give up 2.5 million out of his pocket just to pay off his buyout.
Rubio certainly would be able to pay the money with a loan because his 1st year rookie salary is around 3.6 million.
FCB offered Rubio 3mil+ a year for 2 years with no buyout afterward (that's what i know, but to be confirmed) and they also paid the entire buyout to DKV Joventut for Rubio. So by staying in Europe and joining FCB, Rubio would save himself 2.5 million in the buyout and on top of that make 6mil+ for two years instead of around 5 million playing for the TWolves (he would make around 7.5 mil in his first two years of the rookie scale - 2.5 million to pay the buyout).
The last point here is that if Rubio stays in Europe for a 3rd year (bad news for the TWolves), then he is off the Rookie scale and can demand much more money to play as a rookie in the NBA.
Ricky Rubio was already a good player at the time of the draft, but he was certainly no where near his full potential. He was a bad shooter and probably not ready for stardom in the NBA. The pressure to produce good results right away would have gotten to him quickly. Another year in Europe would better prepare him for a long successful career in the NBA. Just see Darko Milicic and many more Euro players who came to the NBA not ready to contribute and fell out of favor quickly. Another example would be Illiyasova who was not ready when he joined the NBA, then left for a year playing in ACB and now become a very solid contributor to the Bucks and helped them reach the playoff.
Currently, Rubio will stay another year with the ACB, which is a good decision. He would need another year playing at the highest level outside of the NBA to develop his game. Euro basketball also offered much better fundamental skills development and the idea of playing as a team. These would help Rubio to be ready to start whenever he decides to go to the NBA.
Kahn is going to do everything in his power to land that number 2 pick, he may be willing to overpay just so he can land Turner. As far as Rubio, I would have liked to see him in a Wolves uniform this past season, but all that losing probably would have taken a toll on him. The Wolves aren't going anywhere in the next year or two, so I don't mind the fact that he will be in Spain another year. Hopefully by the time he comes over, we will have a respectable team ready to make a playoff push.
ScareCrow, could you post a link to that podcast between Thorpe and Ford? I can't find it on ESPN.com.
As long as the Sixers are assured of the chance to draft Cousins at 4, then I think it goes down. They need to make sure the Nets are not going after Cousins at 3 though. If not, then they have to get Big Al as well IMO. I think they need to come out of this draft with either Cousins and/or Big Al and hope to get rid of Brand.
I don't think anyone in their right mind wants to take on elton brand's contract or even elton brand for that matter. Elton brand is a great player when put in the ideal situation like he was in in LA. I honestly cant think of teams that would even want him. IMO he has the affect of an amare in the sense that he can score but he's a liability on defense because he's undersized. If he were to go to a team with a dominant center defensively, then he could work. As far as the trade, i'm hoping it doesn't happen. I want the kings to draft cousins tremendously. It'll be interesting because i think jefferson and brand are the same kind of player. They can both score and rebound but don't play much defense. brand is definitely more mobile than jefferson. I wonder how much value you can actually get out of those 2 when put on the trading block
Elton Brand is trapped in the wrong team playing in the wrong system. He's a player best for the half-court game while all his teammates are runners best for up-tempo game. He was not used properly for the past two years. When the coach tried to slow the team down and played half court to fit Elton, his teammates suffered and the 76ers would lose games, so the coach would eventually have to speed up the game so that they can at least win some games. The speed up led to an inefficient Elton Brand and that's why he had been viewed as a failed experiment. With his speed, Brand can only play C while he's 6-8 and obviously could not do well as a C.
If Elton Brand is put back into a half-court oriented team, I think he can revive his career. I think he can still help quite some half-court oriented teams. His big contract is the thing that scares teams away from taking him off the 76ers. He is an undersized PF, but he has long arms and he had a lot of success on the defensive end when he was on top of his game playing against PFs.
The 76ers may need to give up assets and not expecting much in return in order to dump Brand's contract. However, in the right situation, I think Brand can prove that he is still a worthy contributor and a good starting PF in the NBA.
Do you really believe that Rubio didnt want to come to the NBA? read wikipedia on Rubio plz... after he said he was gonna leave, his parents of all people came out and said that he was gonna be staying HIS PARENTS! He couldve came he was just making excuses and if he didnt want to, why enter the draft why not just wait till ur contract is over?
here is a quote - Kahn believed that Rubio and his family were being pressured by the Spanish media, his national teammates, and people in his hometown to stay in Spain, adding, "It's just been a tough summer. From an 18-year-old's perspective and his family's perspective, it was very nerve-racking."
off the wikipedia im saying he couldve left for the NBA he was just being a good kid and listening to his parents rules were meant to be bent and if they ask around im sure they couldve made an agreement to get him in the NBA asap
Rubio will be traded to a team for a top 5 or top 10 pick for Minny or a solid young player who could rise. Minny is never going to get them and I think once they get Turner the will be more likely to move him because the Turner Flynn combo will be sick. I can see them combining for 40 to 45 points, 18 assists, 12 rebounds, 3 steals, 1.5 blks. They will have excitement in Minny after the whole KG thing fell through.
I can actually say with Turner I am going to be checking up on them but if they dont get him, I could care less.
You really think Kahn will give up on Rubio that easily, right now Minnesota doesn't look attractive to Rubio but I see Kahn making some big moves this offseason to hopefully lure Rubio in. Trading him would be a last ditch effort if he was 100% set on not playing in Minnesota.