We all know that the cavs are selling high on Anderson Varejao, and we all know that OKC needs more help on the inside. How about this trade: OKC trades Jeremy lamb, perry jones, Kendrick Perkins, and Torontos first round pick for Anderson Varejao? Why? Cleveland was considering taking Jeremy Lamb 4th overall so they were very high on him, perry jones would have likely been considered for the #1 overall pick based on his talent level if he came out last season and has insane potential, Perkins is still a serviceable center and has been very good when he was in the Eastern Conference, and throw in the Toronto pick which they will likely keep this year but next year the Cavs Will get in the very strong 2014 draft. Also Andy is under team control do this year and 2 more so it is not a rental on OKC's part. What do you guys feel about this trade?
The Thunder would be giving up too much just to get Varejao.
Obviously, this trade would be amazing for the Cavs.
I like the idea, but that's way to much for Varejao and would never happen. I mean, that's arguably more than OKC got when trading Harden and definitely more than Orlando got when trading Dwight. Varejao is a nice player, but he's no star and he never will be.
I think this trade moves into the realm of rational if you remove Lamb or the Toronto pick from the equation. Trading both along with PJ3 and Perkins is ludicrous.
I like your idea, Varejao isn't a great scorer but damn what a rebounder and with Ibaka in the paint i feel sorry for opponents, and with all the scorers on this team no need to force. But i think he might be a bit old and inconsistent, he reach his prime this year but for how many year can he be like this ? He was seriously injured last two years and that's the first year he is really playing outta his mind. So i think OKC are giving up too much on this trade for a close window title shot (maybe 2 years) but with Lamb, the 1st pick and Perry Jones they can be contender for a decade because their 3 stars are relatively young.
And if I were a Cavalier i will make this trade asap ! Even if they don't want to keep Perkins after this year, they will still be winner in this one considering the youngness of their team.
So conclusion, i think OKC could do this one without Lamb or Perry or maybe both, depends on who they are the most high on. But keeping the Toronto pick's could be GOLD for OKC.
I know it's a lot, but the cavs are selling VERY high, by te way Anderson dominated Dwight Howard when try met up last week and would give him a handful if they meet in the playoffs as Andy is athletic and has a crazy motor. This trade is perfect for Cleveland, they will suck and likely get a high pick this year an probably take Bazz, Len, or Cody Zeller. Then next we they will have 2 potential high lotto picks and I believe Miami's pick also
And I think OKC would be the perfect landing spot for him. Moving AV to OKC for young talent makes a lot of sense for both teams. However, I still don't think AV has close to that kind of trade value. He would have more value for OKC than he would for almost any other club at this moment, but that's still way too much him--and OKC's front office is way too savvy to give up so much value for a player of AV's caliber.
I agree he's not worth it but if Cleveland comes down to earth and asks for jones, Perkins, and Dallas and Toronto pick for Andy and Miami's pick, you think OKC pulls the trigger?
One thing i'm sure about is that Presti is a draft-god, and that maybe since the Harden's trade he know perfectly what kind of player he has in mind. If he doesn't believe himself about the Toronto pick he will pull the trigger for this one, but the Toronto pick could be a lot better than Varejao singlehandly. And if he picks a junior/senior, in the 3rd year of his rookie contract this player could be one of the biggest bargain in the NBA history and the missing piece for the Championship.. what do you think ?
Presti knows all the equation about it, and we don't so, that's hard to be 100% sure he will do it.
But that's closer to where I think OKC would go. OKC knows how to deal. Andy is a very good player, but realistically he's (at best) a 14/14 player that's solid on D, but who you can't run any offense through. My guess is that OKC would be willing to deal Perkins + 1 high-potential asset (PJ3, Lamb or the Toronto pick) + an OKC first rounder in the next 1-3 years. I think it unlikely they would part with any two of Lamb/PJ3/Toronto Pick.
Don't know who in the league can do more than this one? That's all the Cavaliers want for Varejao => high pick, rookie, rookie, and a serviceable replacement to Varejao. They may selling very high on him, but if a trade happens I believe Cavaliers will receive less than this one.
I am a huge Varejao fan as well as a Thunder fan, but that is a ridiculous trade. Perry Jones was a lottery talent so that's basically 3 lottery picks for Varejao. This isn't Dwight Howard or Bynum guys.
I think if you take PJ3 out than maybe this is a good deal only because you get rid of Perkins and Varejao helps you win now. It is still at gamble but if you can accomplish those things with the West not being as strong as many though, OKC can stay on top and have a team that can beat either NY or Miami. Perkins offense hurts OKC, he does not rebound like Varejao, and Lamb, Toronto's pick are not playing much right now.
OKC knows how to find gems in draft picks and if they keep K Martin than Lamb will never get many minutes anyway. Perry Jones is too good to give up because of his talents and his versatility and his trade value can only go up
i dont think he should have gotten negged at all. i thought that out of all the trades proposed on here this is actually one of the better ones. you have to think that the cavs will not trade andy unless they know they are getting more than his worth and for the thunder well yeah they might be giving up too much but its a sacrifice worth while. tey are trying to win NOW and when lamb and pj3 arent even part of the rotation its worth it. there is no loss right now. i would say maybe the cavs give up a second round pick but thats it. its definitely a nice trade for both teams because it helps both of them in the right direction.
Thanks, I just put that trade up because Cleveland has made it known they will sell extremely high, it was unbiased.
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I can see OKC doing Jeremy Lamb and Toronto's pick. They can still win finals without dealing and keeping same team so i dont see them throwing too much for Varejao.
doesn't seem to want it. I think just Lamb and the Raps pick is good enough, know need to put in PJ3. Numerous reports are out that the Thunder haven't really inquired. Perkins PER is at 10 right now, that's a baffling number. The Cavs don't want that, but they could do a 3 way deal sending Perk straight to Boston for Courtney Lee(preferably) or Bass and Sullinger. The Cavs don't want Perkins, this is fact.
This however means Boston got Jeff Green and Perkins in a deal for basically Lee and Sully.This also means that OKC got only Varejao for Jeff Green, Lamb and a really good pick.
Someone has to find a landing spot for Perk besides Cleveland. Maybe Boston or Philly.
If I'm Thunder why would I ruin the chemistry with a Finals team. You already shook up your team when you traded James Harden. Why go a trade your starting center and some people in the organization call the "glue guy" for Anderson Varejio? It's not like the Thunder are struggling and need a tweak to improve their record. What's wrong with sitting and letting this team make another finals run? I don't think people fully understand how valuable that Toronto pick is either. Imagine next year (if Toronto ends with the 4th or worst record this year) a lineup/roster that looks like this
Looks like a finals team to me for years to come...
Jeremy Lamb + Toronto pick for Varejao and Boobie Gibson would be fine with me. As much as I love Varejao, I highly doubt Presti trades Lamb (an end of lotto (12th) pick) and the Toronto pick (a HIGH lottery pick) for him straight up. Boobie is an expiring and could fill the roll Daequan Cook played for them last year off the bench.
Any chance the Celtics would want Perkins back?? They have never been as good as they were with him?