Sorry if this has been posted before, though I come to this site often I do not religiously sit on the forums. I was neglecting to go to bed when I thought of this. Is this the year the Kings finally get the 1st overall pick. Since the Kings are in limbo and a new ownership is possibly going to move them to Seattle and based on the trend of the past drafts is Sacramento going to have to live through the torture knowing they lost out on a #1 pick. Sacramento would have to do some jumping in the draft, but if the bulls could jump 9 spots, why can't the Kings? Looking at the past few drafts:
2012: NO gets the #1 after a local owner finally steps up and buys the team from the league
2011: A year removed from Lebron jumping ship Cleveland is rewarded with Kyrie Irving.
2010: The same year the Wizards (and the leagues) longest tenured owner dies, the following group gets the #1 pick.
2009:"Elgin Baylor ended his 22-year reign as Vice President and General Manager of basketball operations." Coincidentally ending the decades of mediocrity for the Clippers
2008: As noted earlier, the bulls jump 9 spots to claim Derrick Rose, a homegrown specimen to end their mediocrity.
2007: After approval of a sale to the now head of relocations' commitee, The Sonics lock up the #2 in a draft headlined by 2 franchise players, They just looked out that Portland was going before them, poor portland, I thought that Durant should have been #1, so for arguments sake, the trend still works.
pre-2007 doesn't seem that coincidental as teams like the Raptors, Bucks, Houston.
Now I hope you all don't just immediately bash me, but the past five years of draft outcomes have been a little conspicuous to say the least.
The draft lotteries probably are rigged but I think you are inaccurate about something...There is no way you said to take Durant over Oden. Oden was a once in a lifetime big man defensive juggernaut in the mold of Bill Russell. Durant was a skinny kid who had talent but wasn't as much as a sure thing. In hindsight everybody had Durant over Oden but unless you show me documented proof of said opinion.....I don't believe you.
I had Durant over Oden, so he wouldn't be the only one.
To be fair, in the past few drafts there have been a bunch of teams which would have been "shifty" if they'd won. There's a story behind every lottery team.
I wish people would get over these conspiracy theories. Just think about it - Every year there are numerous people in the room where they sort out the order. From all the draft lotteries that have happened at least one person would come forward and expose it. Like old mate said, every team has a story it could fall back on.
In 2007 everyone thought Oden and Durant were going to be surefire superstars and putting them on small market teams in a timezone where people in the Eastern timezone would struggle to catch many of their nationally televised games when a struggling perennial power in the Celtics put all their eggs into the basket doesn't seem suss at all.
And we all knew Blake Griffin was going number 1 overall and a potential superstar and putting him on a perenial struggler in the Clippers who plays second fiddle in the town doesn't seem suss to me. Saying Elgin Baylor leaving seems to be cluthing at straws to me.
well, the pistons didnt win the lotto when bill davidson, their owner, died.. and they were pretty bad..
I dont think the kings need anymore talent/prospects. They need to have a positive veteran influence just to mix all the talent in that team.
They need a character veteran presence they look like a bunch a players I can't see a team in regards to how they play.
Don't get me wrong that's my Favourite team but it's sad watching them go down this way.
I just want to say I also thought Durant should have been taken over Oden at the time. I was also a senior in highschool and thought I knew basketball a lot better than I did. Even though Oden was constantly hurt I realized a few years later what an idiot I was and that Oden was clearly the correct pick.
I'm a Kings fan but I don't live in Sac-town. So I'll be a Kings/Royals/Sonic's fan when they move.
Let's say the Kings get the #1 pick, who would you like them to take?
im from seattle and as a Sonics fan, hoping we get this deal finalized, its gotta be marcus smart. this guy will change the culture immediately as he accepts nothing short of winning. Also he might actually be someone Cousins will listen to and a 1-2 punch of Smart and Cousins could turn into something really special
I feel like they have enough scoring talent as is. I think they'd be better off getting a guy like Michael Carter-Williams that can finally give them good PG play and give them someone that will pass and make teammates better. Everyone else on that team is all about getting there's. They need a culture-changer.
No they need Marus Smart, his leadership and intangibles are MUCH needed
I'm not sure why saying you would of taken Durant over Oden is such an issue. I personally was all for Durant and thought you would have to be obsessed with big men to take Oden over him (a little radical lol). In Durant I saw a 6'9" Shooting Guard with confidence, a proven ability to score, range, length, IQ, and absolutely no handle; Oden I saw a dominant rim protector, very good rebounder, solid low post on-ball defender, great athlete for his size, and absolutely no offensive game outside of dunking. Durant was very skinny and weak for the NBA and Oden had a laundry list of health question marks. Sure sounds like a fair argument to me.
If by a laundry list you mean a broken wrist...then yes what a laundry list. He also shot 63% from the foul line left handed...Drummond couldn't shoot half that with his right hand...
I stole that last part from Joe Wolf.
I agree with you 100% , i wouldve taken Durant over Oden any day and i said that from the beginning...Anyone that tells me I didnt, or im crazy for doing so is full of sh*t honestly...Oden was NEVER healthy and all i ever heard were excuses, there were many health concerns over Oden...also I dont agree with the whole "you have to take a big guy when you can" sentiment...Sam Bowie anyone? Also, last time i checked, a NON-BIG has won the last 5 MVPs...The Heat proved you dont NEED a dominant big man in todays game...So give me the best player, not just drafting a big to draft a big.
I'm taking Durant over Oden 100% in that draft.
Kevin Durant at Texas was averaging 26 and 11 (11 was more than Oden) as a FRESHMAN, who was nearly the same height as Oden. Wasn't the defensive presence obviously but had the potential to be good on that end. And I know the stats aren't everything but they're something.
He was an offensive machine as Oden was a dunker. Like said above, I don't know why it's an issue someone saying they would have taken Durant over Oden. Because they would have. I would have taken him if I'm Portland 100%. Because IMO even though he was #2. Durant was a filthy, filthy steal at #2.
This is what I am talking about.
Despite “dazzling” the Trail Blazers in his workout with the team, Kevin Durant just couldn’t compete with Greg Oden in a number of areas heading into the 2007 NBA draft.
Strength was clearly an issue, as Durant entered a pre-draft camp as the only player out of an 80-person group who could not bench 185 pounds. Texas Longhorns head coach Rick Barnes had this to say on the matter:
If they are looking for weight lifters to come out of Texas, that's not what we're producing. There are a lot of guys who can bench press 300 pounds in the NBA who couldn't play dead in a cowboy movie. Kevin's the best player in the draft—period, at any position.
Oden looked fantastic coming into the NBA, with better scores than Durant on the vertical leap, agility drill and three-quarter court sprint, but as it turns out, Barnes knew what he was talking about, and Durant has become one of the best players in the league—at any position.
Greg Oden entered the league not just as a big man, but as a big man with extreme athleticism.
As evident by his pre-draft workouts, the guy could run, jump and take up space on both ends of the floor.
Shooters and scorers come into the league year after year, and many of them fizzle out when they realize they can’t score at the same pace they did at the collegiate level.
Kevin Durant has proven that he’s not fizzling out any time soon, but with Oden being the “safe” pick, the Blazers did what most teams in their shoes would have done by selecting the seven-footer with the No. 1 overall pick.
The NBA has seemingly transitioned into a point guard’s league, but when Greg Oden was drafted in 2007, Shaquille O’Neal and Tim Duncan had claimed eight of the last nine NBA championships.
With O’Neal and Duncan climbing in age, drafting Oden was the obvious choice with the prospect of grooming him into one of the best big men the game had to offer.
The days of the NBA being a center’s league were long gone in 2007, but the best remaining big men were still collecting championships year after year, and the Blazers wanted to be a part of that trend.
The draft rigging theories are always fun but I'll throw one wildcard in there, in 2008 and 2009, the Knicks were well in the lottery, if the NBA wanted a star player to revive a team, it certainly did not happen with the Knicks.
The Kings perhaps needed a top pick sooner, getting that elusive franchise guy could perhaps have flushed out an owner to get them to stay in Sac-Town.
New York by definition brings you revenue no matter how awful the team is. They seem to get FA that cause a lot of buzz in the city, not just Basketball but in all other sports. Not to mention the NYG were playing well back then and did indeed bring a title to the city, while Chicago was awful, the Cubs as we all know were garbage, the Bears were a fringe playoff team that hasn't won since the 80s, and the attendance for the Bulls was going down. Seems like the perfect opportunity to give a city a morale boost.
the 2009 draft, of all the years I posted seems the least fishy. It makes sense that the change of management happened to come that time after a solid 15 of Elgin's 22 years being terrible.
Now I am not saying that there is DEFINITELY a conspiracy, it's just if you look at the trend, it seems plausible.