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Y hate on lebron?

why do people hate lebron so much? i mean i understand if ur from cleveland or if ur a cavs fan then its cool because u guys will PROBABLY never (not saying its impossible) have a chance at a championship so thats y ur pissed. but im starting to think that people are hating on lebron just to fit in and be cool... what has lebron done to u? (if ur not a cavs fan), i mean can u blame him, the guy just wanted to get a ring and be remembered.... you guys have to remember this is a job for him, i was a lebron fan before he went to miami and id still be a fan even if he went to cska moskow, go ahead and give me negs , i just had to put this out there. oh and one last thing.... LEBRON>kobe


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agreed with u until

u said lebron>kobe
i think u made a typo or something and meant to write KOBE>lebron
5rings to 0
both excellent player
but the thing that separates them is the big gap in between their killer instincts
kobe is an assassin
i hate the decision to go to miami
to me thats the easy way out
now teams gms and players have to step up and make thier own big 3
lebron got heat beacause
he had teams and fans basically kissing his shoes and begging him to come to play for them
he had to feed the ego and be the king
if he didnt hold the hour long special would be better
if he didn't keep that neck beard during the "decision" would have helped a great deal
people would have admired him if he stayed in cle
if its a job like you say wudnt comiing to NY be the best
this was mostly a bball oriented decision
everyone knows miami will dominate
i mean without my ny bias in here wudnt amare nd lebron vs wade nd bosh be great to watch lollol
its all about the rings and being a celeberty to lebron
where ever he goes now will be a circus
lets see how these guys ganna handle hand

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I hate lebron because I think

I hate lebron because I think he was WAY overhyped and compared to michael Jordan when he isn't even better than Kobe.no it's not his fault he was hyped like that but it is his fault that he "accepted" the role of the next Jordan when he knows he's not. He gets all this credit for leading a team to the best record in the league and then they lose in the playoffs and suddenly his teammates are to blame and he's perfectly fine with letting them take the blame. He &$#%#&@!ed and moaned about his elbow and said it was still hurt in the Boston series when a guy with the heart of a champion doesn't whine, he goes out and gets it done. In my opinion in that game 5 lebron showed his true colors when he was interviewed afterwards knowing he had a bad game and he didn't admit to it. Real men would hone up and say I played bad, I let the team down. Everyone is expecting me to lead and I didn't do it. Instead he said it was a bad team effort and whatever other excuses he came up with. His decision to walk off the court in the 09 conference finals after defeat without shaking hands with Orlando was a total b!tch move. I don't appreciate his in game antics/celebrations like eating someones popcorn as he's out of bounds (he's not TO) or all those idiotic pre-game "snapshots" or the silly dancing he does. He doesn't take over games in the end of them, he realistically hasn't hit a whole lot of game winning shots either. He has some but not very many. Carmelo has way more if you want to make a comparison. He left Cleveland which to me shows disloyalty and then says weeks later he could see himself playing in Cleveland again. To me leaving Cleveland is disloyal for him and yes he had every right to leave but I feel potential bonafide superstars are supposed to stay in the hometown and try to bring the city a ring. Cleveland was legitimate for 2 years and he basically gave up after only 2 years to take a back seat role and try to make things easier on himself playing with wade and bosh. Listen to all the HOFers from mj to magic to Charles to pippen. That was a move that will forever affect his 'legacy' in a very negative way. I think people hate lebron now because he was supposed to be the next Jordan and people feel that this move basically takes him out of the discussion as such and who wouldn't like to say they lived I'm the era where they watched the greatest player ever. That's not why I dislike him but that's what I think. And that my friends is what really grinds my gears about lebron James.

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Unless your a Cavs, Bulls,

Unless your a Cavs, Bulls, Knicks or Nets fan you really had no shot at signing Lebron.
Realistically if he wanted a shot at winning no way he would sign with the Cavs or Nets.
The Heat, Bulls and Knicks were closest to winning once Bosh, Amare and Boozer were signed.
I agree its very popular to hate on Lebron now.
Odd we usually applaud players in sports who take less money to win.
I think too many ppl are worried how this effects his legacy and ranking amongst the All Time great.
Lebron just wants to win, yeah he's cocky with his 1 hour decision and other things but you can't really knock his game. This was the 1st postseason that he lost a series that most ppl had him picked to win.
Lebron has to win multiple rings now even more to be a top All Time NBA player.
Also almost every great player who won a title had a Hall Of Fame teammate.
Some of the Lakers and Celtics teams had 3 HOFers.

You can say Kobe has had the better career and is more clutch, not sure you'd say he's a better player rite now though.

5 rings to 0
Kobe has been in the league 14 years he had won 3 rings within 7 yrs.
Lebron has been in the league 7 years and has 0 rings.

At worst its 3 rings to 0 rite now and don't forgot about the 2002 WCF.

Not sure you want to say rings decides everything becaz there is a chance Kobe wins 6 rings or even more in his career.
It depends if free agents are willing to play for the Lakers and the new CBA deal also.
Would 7 rings make him better than MJ, Magic, Kareem, Bird and others with less.
Than only Russell stands in his way as the greatest since he had 11 titles in what 13 seasons.
Jordan played 15 years but 2 of those years he played less than 20 games during the reg. season.

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2 years I think you forgot

2 years I think you forgot about 2007 and 2008 this was 4 years the Cavs have gone deep in the playoffs.
However they now more than ever would have a weak roster even if Lebron stayed.
Do you think some star would sign for the midlevel and pass on 13-16 million a year just to play with Lebron doubtful.
Or magically a team would take Varajeo, Jamison and Mo Williams all 3 that are overpaid.
The reality is the Cavs with Lebron would be capped out for the next 2 years and at best would lose in the 2nd round.
The blame for him not resigning goes to Danny Ferry and whoever gave the big contracts in the past to Larry Hughes, Big Z, Varajeo, Daniel Gibson and some more.
Also its still a business and even Bosh, Wade, Lebron got plenty of money esp. with 2 of them getting more through trades.

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Love this post & totally agree

Its obvious Cleveland didnt have the talent around Lebron to win the championship, soo what did he do he jumped on an oppurtunity to team with more tha capable teammates in Miami. So if you gonna hate on Lebron then u need to hate guys who want the same thing (Chris Paul, Amare Stoudamire, Carmelo Anthony) & guys who tried it (Karl Malone & Gary Payton, Kevin Garnett & Ray Allen). The biggets jerk of them all who is bashing Lebron has noooo reason 2 becuz he tried the same thing but he was to late in his career!!!! Anybody remember Charles Barkley??? If i remember correctly Jordan kept kicking his butt every year so he couldnt get a ring. He failed to win one win Jordan retired, so what did he do??? Bolted 2 Houston but that failed just like the Lakers when they added Malone & Payton. People are not seeing the unselfishness in this whole situation either. These guys left so much money on the table and are willing to sacrafice shots, stats, and cash 2 win the thing that in the end they will be remembered by.....RINGS!!!!! All those guys without rings that said "I would never join the enemy or team with rivals" sound stupid and stubborn!!!!

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Love this post & totally agree

Its obvious Cleveland didnt have the talent around Lebron to win the championship, soo what did he do he jumped on an oppurtunity to team with more tha capable teammates in Miami. So if you gonna hate on Lebron then u need to hate guys who want the same thing (Chris Paul, Amare Stoudamire, Carmelo Anthony) & guys who tried it (Karl Malone & Gary Payton, Kevin Garnett & Ray Allen). The biggets jerk of them all who is bashing Lebron has noooo reason 2 becuz he tried the same thing but he was to late in his career!!!! Anybody remember Charles Barkley??? If i remember correctly Jordan kept kicking his butt every year so he couldnt get a ring. He failed to win one win Jordan retired, so what did he do??? Bolted 2 Houston but that failed just like the Lakers when they added Malone & Payton. People are not seeing the unselfishness in this whole situation either. These guys left so much money on the table and are willing to sacrafice shots, stats, and cash 2 win the thing that in the end they will be remembered by.....RINGS!!!!! All those guys without rings that said "I would never join the enemy or team with rivals" sound stupid and stubborn!!!!

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Are we still talking about

Are we still talking about Lebron? Honestly where Lou Admunson and Adam Morrison will sign interests me more right now.

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okay First lets not start

okay First lets not start Kobe vs Lebron here. for me lebron right now is the clear better player and kobe has had a better NBA career so far. let both guys end their careers and then talk about who was bigger.

Why everybody hates on lebron?
because of the whole way this was done. nodoby should hate him for the b-Ball decison he made because it was the right one.
the thing is that for 2-3years he kept everybody guessing and some Teams and Fans were stupid enough to really get into it and put their whole franchise in hands of the 2010 free agency (think NY). and after all the circus the puts the crown on in with the show which was so over the top that now i just hate him because He seems to have an ego that is so Big that it is annoying!

and i think that Argument is reasonable what i don't like that now People who hate start hating on what He does on the court! come on He is by far the best Player in the world and i give him that. just totaly hate how he handled this in this egomanic way.....

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One more thing: its not that

One more thing:

its not that those guys left millions on the table to play togehter:
they signed for less but if i get this right they will have to pay much less taxes or even no taxes? i guess at the end of the day they will get more or about the same than in any other place so the less money argument is pretty weak in my opinion....

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lebron

its bc the way he handled the situation. he killed a city and team in front of national television. very d***** of him

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How were the knicks one of

How were the knicks one of the teams closest to winning ? That's not even close to being right. There were other teams closer then they were.

If lebron took the easy way out by going to Miami then we have to say every freeagent that left there team for a team that has a better chance at a title.

Let's remember the goal is to win a title and get paid. You're suppossed to put you're self in the best situation to win a title.

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Who said Lebron is entitled to a championship?

I dont know where people get this idea Lebron is just entitled to a championship. He played seven years with Cleveland and came up short, so what? Who honestly thought Pierce would get a ring in Boston? It took him until his tenth year in the league to get a ring and at one point Boston didnt seem like they would make the playoffs of another ten years, but transactions were made and it reshaped the whole team. Yeah this current Cleveland team may not be a championship team,but who knows what moves they could have made in the next two r three years. Last time i check Lebron was in his mid 20;s I dont think two r three season would have killed him. Hakeem got a championsip in his 10th year in the league,David Robinson didnt get his first title until his tenth year in the league. Who knew Tim Duncan would land in their laps and save the day? Yet, all the aforemention players did it with their own team, through the good and bad. You just dont know how the chips will fall. What makes people think Lebron just has to get one? What if he doesnt win in Miami then what? Some great players never win one, but everyone seems to think the KING is entitled. He was a free agent, he could go where he wanted to, but the way he handled it was terrible. Also all these people who have crowned Lebron the best, I dont agree. He maybe the most talented or physically gifted player in the world but not the best. Kobe Bean Bryant hold the title as best player in the world. Be Real

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It's not that he's entitled

It's because that's the standard we hold him to. He has been compared to Jordan since he was in highschool, and embraced the comparison I might add. But just because he has embraced this comparison doesn't mean it's not a heavy burden to bare. The world expects him to win a Championship wherever he goes, they expected one from him in Cleveland. He went to the place where he'd have the best chance to fulfill those immense expectations. Lebron has been embraced his public image as a superstar, but along with that come heavy and sometimes unrealistic expectations. Pierce and Duncan and Olajuwon didn't have to deal with these expectations.

Also I'm sure he wants to win a championship. He is a competitor. He doesn't feel entitled to a championship, he wants one and thus went to the team where he would have the best opportunity to win one.

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How do ppl honestly still

How do ppl honestly still have Kobe ahead of Lebron, maybe three years ago but the past two years its been Lebron I don't even like Lebron, but fact is he's a more efficient player grabs more rebounds more assists and a better defender at this point, and stop with Lebron not having a killer instinct he has consistently done better in the playoffs he led the league in 4th quarter points and had a higher clutch rating than Kobe the past year per 82games.com

The hate for Lebron is unwarranted and I think because it's the off season we forget how good he really is

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Its not hate

Lebron is a great all-around player, he was a better all-round player than kobe at his best, thats his thing.. Killer instinct is nowhere near kobe's. Kobe is slowing down we think, lets not forget the man has been playing the past two r three season with some form of nagging injury. Secondly Lebron jumper is still suspect at times. Did you not see how boston gave him about 5feet daring him to shoot, would they do that to kobe? Lastly, did you see how Dwayne Wade imposed his will on Boston even in Defeat, and did you see how Lebron laid down against boston in defeat. Its not hate, watch the game. Lebron is great but people, particularly the media are making him out to be more than he is right now. Yeah he may have been compared to Mike, but their game could not be more different. He is closer to a Scottie Pippen ( with more scoring, less defense) than Mike. You guys even overrate Lebron defense. No question he is a much improved defender, a good defender now if you will.. But lets not confused blocking shots on the break or grambling on a steal as a lockdown defender. Those are only two or three possessions a game. Iverson lead the lead in steals but he was not a lockdown defender.

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Lebron had two bad games

Lebron had two bad games against Boston both losses and Kobe had tw bad games both wins, name me a playoff game where Lebron did not perform and the team won, Wade was the only player to have a great series,but his team lost in 5 games so not really fair to compare him with both Lebron and Kobe

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I dont think 27 pts 19 rebs and 10 asst is laying down in defeat....

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Lebron

I think Lebron just like Kobe can be a lockdown defender when he puts his mind to it. He straight shut down Pierce for much of the Boston series. The problem is both of them have been relied on so much on offense that they can't exert their full defensive effort for 82 games.

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I laugh at people who said

I laugh at people who said lebron laid down against Boston. He put up very good -great numbers AND locked Paul p down!!!! He did what he could. His teammates on the other hand(mo Williams,Antwan Jameson) didn't not show up. They both shot under 40percent and put ip around 13ppg that's horrible for you're second and third options unless they were getting alot of ast or rebounds which they weren't

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whoever said that kobe is

whoever said that kobe is better than lebron because of rings is stupid... he won 3 with shaq in his prime... and 2 with gasol in his prime...

all im sayin is watch how many lebron wins with bosh and wade in their primes.. and i think the argument will be put to rest...

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You are right that was not laying down but 3 - 14fg 0 - 4 3pt 3 turnovers 15pts game 5. That is laying down. He did not play bad the entire series but he seemed to have given up when he was needed. He did a fairly good job on pierce as well but boston did not suffer because rondo was the best celtic in that series. And i never said Lebron did not have the potential to be a lock down defender, i said currently he is not. And for the excuse he spends alot of energy scoring, was mike jordan a scoring champ and defensive player of year in the same year?

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Rings?

I dont think rings make any player better than the next, because no matter how great a player is they need a productive team to win a title. Yet Kobe winning with Shaq r Gasol doesnt make his rings any less significant. If im not mistaking Shaq did not win a ring until he paired with Kobe ( no rings in Orlando). Gasol wasnt even making the playoffs let alone winning a ring before he teamed with Kobe.Yeah Shaq won another ring later in Miami, but he would not have won it without Wade and Vice Versa. So as much as Kobe benefited from them, they benefited from him as well. Jordan is probably the greatest player ever, but last time I checked it took Scottie Pippen to emerged as a star before the Bulls could win even one title.

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Game 5 was ONE game, every

Game 5 was ONE game, every player has had ONE bad playoff game.... You cant judge him Lebron on one game especially considering he averaged 27 ppg 9 reb and 7 asst for the series...

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LeBron is younger, more

LeBron is younger, more athletic and puts up better numbers than Kobe, but... I honestly believe that Kobe is still the better basketball player.

I watch Kobe and I see a player with damn near flawless skills with little to no weaknesses in his game. LeBron is physically dominant, but he has holes in his game skill wise. I mean, it's been 7 years and LeBron has no go-to move, post or in between game. LeBron may be more dominant, but Kobe is still the most complete player in the world. Other than passing, LeBron doesn't have any skill that's better than Kobe's to me.

I have no problem with people declaring LeBron better as or right now (due to Kobe's age, etc), but when their careers are all said and done... Kobe will be considered the better player.

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Well Put IndianaBasketball

Yet, as much as i dont like the crowning of Lebron as the games best player, I will say he does have one skill set better than Kobe and that is his passing ability but everything else you said is on the money.

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My bad Indiana

My bad you did mention that Lebron was a better passer.

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I understand

I completely agree that Kobe is more skilled, but I don't think that means that he's better. Yes Kobe is the better "basketball player," while Lebron is more athletic. But despite not being as skilled, Lebron is still harder to guard and he still makes a greater impact on the game. Even though Kobe is more skilled I would much rather guard him than Lebron.

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When I have kids, I'm not

When I have kids, I'm not going to pop in a tape of LeBron. I'm going to pop in a tape of Kobe. SO much more to look at. Like I said... He has little to no weaknesses. Other than Jordan, I haven't seen a more complete player.

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So if you have a bad game

So if you have a bad game that means you gave up. Lol I guess every NBA player in history has given up before. When Jordan has scored in single digits plus turned the ball over on a bad shooting night he must have given up. You might have a arguememt if he let Paul get a good forty that game but he still played good defense. Sorry but that's not giving up

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That's not what we are talking about

Kobe is unquestionably the more complete player and would be better for an instructional video. But regardless of whether or not it's due to his athleticism, Lebron still has a bigger impact on the game. Lebron is better than Kobe, even though Kobe is a more skilled basketball player. If i'm picking teams, I'm taking Lebron first no questions asked.

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I won't say LeBron gave up,

I won't say LeBron gave up, but a couple of those games were more than just bad games. His intensity wasn't there and neither was the drive.

Yea... I won't say he gave up, but something sure in the hell wasn't right with him. It's almost like he wasn't playing his hardest or didn't care in a couple of those games.

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You could argue Kobe had

You could argue Kobe had better overall skills than Jordan, (ballhandling, foot work, 3pt shooting, post game etc). Just because Kobe has those things doesnt't make him better than jordan or lebron and doesn't mean he has as much of an impact. Kobe's probably the most skilled player at his position of all time I see no holes, but when comparing him to Jordan and Lebron he is not as good of a player in the overall scheme of things

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exactly

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I'm thinking finding out

I'm thinking finding out you're teammate is sleeping with you're mom had a lil to do with that

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Was that Delonte West thing

Was that Delonte West thing confirmed to be true or was it just a rumor?

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You're on your own there

You're on your own there though, because other than three-point shooting and maybe ball handling, I don't think Kobe is more skilled than Jordan was.

However, between he and LeBron... It's not even close.

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I'm sorry, but LeBron's a

I'm sorry, but LeBron's a professional... I'm not buying that garbage.

Kobe played while facing a rape case.

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Yeah Kobe did play, but his

Yeah Kobe did play, but his performance in the finals that year was awful as well he shot 37% from the field the entire series and 14% from the three, he actually did a lot worse vs the pistons than how Lebron did against the celtics

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Kobe didn't play well, but

Kobe didn't play well, but his effort wasn't questioned. I remember Kobe had tears in his eyes during an interview after they got elliminated. The reporter asked him hard hard he'd work that summer to get back to the finals and he said, "To exhaustion."

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Once again, I agree that Kobe is more skilled. But being more skilled doesn't mean that he's a better player. Despite his higher skill level he has less of an impact and is less dominant than Lebron.

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And you seem to be overrating

And you seem to be overrating LeBron's impact and underrating Kobe's.

That "offense" in Cleveland was great for LeBron's statistics. He was in a spread offense with him dominating the ball. Surround LeBron with shooters, clear out and send him a pick every now and then. It was great for his statistics, but you see it failed in the playoffs two years in a row.

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LA is great for Kobe

In that he is surrounded by enough talent that he can have an off game and still win. Could you say the same for Lebron? You don't think if maybe Cleveland had had some more talent maybe Lebron could have adjusted his his role? Lebron in Cleveland was essentially Kobe after Shaq left and before Gasol came, except he managed to take his teams further.

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Did you not watch the games? Lebron kept setting up his teammates for open shots but the past two years they've let him down the shots ppl llike mo williams was making all season was not going in during the playoffs. Cavs had no answer for Dwight and rashard lewis and turkoglu caused mismatches that mike brown failed to adjust to as a coach. Antawn Jamison was a liability on defense vs the celts and Shaq slowed down the offense.

I would blame Lebron if he was doing bad but for the most part he was doing his thing and his teammates did not have his back at least with Kobe when he had bad games he could rely on shaq, fisher, horry, ariza, artest and now Gasol to step up if he has a bad game

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Have you never played

Have you never played basketball before?

Put yourself in Mo Williams' shoes. Imagine a player dribbling the ball for damn near the entire shot clock and then kicking it out to you with a few seconds remaining lol. That's BAD basketball.

LeBron is the most ball dominant player in the league and it gets worse during the playoffs. It's great for LeBron's statistics (hence everybody saying, "LeBron is great... His teammates let him down."), but not for the flow of his teammates or the offense.

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And Antwan let him down you

And Antwan let him
down you have to convert when you get the ball even if you don't get it much which wasn't the case if you look at there attempts for the season and playoffs. They just didn't convert. Coachs don't care if you don't get it much They just care that you do something when u do get it. That's why it's hard for some bench players to make it. You have to produce with what lil time or touchs that u get.

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indiana basketball

indiana basketball is right on point with that point on underrating kobes impact...im glad we all agree on kobe's skillset to be way ahead of lebrons

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stanford hoops is exactly

stanford hoops is exactly right thats the way the NBA is

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i hate

i hate when people say kobe won 3 rings because of shaq he won these 2 recent rings because of pau you fail to realize that they wouldnt have won without kobe, basketball is a team game when in nba history has somebody won a ring by himself never! jordan had pippen..magic had kareem worthy..larry bird had a hell of a team and so did the rest of the nba greats that won a title.. and to all you lebron fans that downplayed kobe winning 3 championships because of shaq what will be your excuse now that lebron is in miami?

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It's not just about the

It's not just about the amount of touches, but also how they got their touches and how long they had the ball.

Not every player is a catch and shoot jumpshooter. You need to give other players room to operate, which Jamison was more than capable of doing. Even Mo Williams was capable of being more than just a jumpshooter.

Playing that spread offense around LeBron made the offense stagnant and didn't have a great flow to it. It was hard to defend LeBron, but it made defending his teammates simple and predictable.

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If it was so simple and

If it was so simple and predictable than how did the cavs win 60+ games in the regular season the past two years. The same shots his teammates were making in the regular season was not going down in the playoffs and for comparison sake with the rings Kobe has. Has Lebron ever had a player near the caliber of Shaq or Gasol? Answer to that is no and people will be surprised when they see how much damage Lebron can do when he has a viable 2nd option in Dwade and 3rd option with Bosh

And yes Dwade maybe the leader of this team but Lebron is the best player on the Heat

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