Would you make this trade if you were The 76ers?
Philadelphia trades the 11th pick and cash to Phoenix for the 14th and 17th picks in the 2014 Draft...
the Suns move up a few spots to land a starting SG or SF, Philly slides back a few spots to target a SG and PF
ideally the Suns could/would want a G like Gary Harris or Lavine and a F like Aaron Gordon, TJ Warren, Doug Mcdermont or Rodney Hood. All of them can play with the G or F rotation in Phoenix.
The 76ers can select between Harris(if available) or Lavine at 14, or take Payne/Harrell/Gordon at 14 if both Shooting Guards are off the boards, with the 17th pick they can select James Young to develop into our SG or take Payne/Harrell or Gordon with the 17th pick if they Lavine or Harris
The Suns leave with a Top 10-12 pick and player they can instantly plug into their lineup
The 76ers leave with two more Top 20 talents to go along with their own Top 4 selection(Wiggins/Parker/Randle/Embiid), also having the 32nd, 39th, 48th, 52nd and 55th to play with)
Would you make this trade with the options I've laid out or just keep the pick and take the BPA?
seems very plausible since the sixers need all the help they can get. +1
Over the last decade there are as many all stars after the 11th pick as there are after the 14th pick.
Oddly enough players taken at
17: Josh Smith, Danny Granger, Roy Hibbert, Jrue Holiday Iman Shumpert
14: Ronnie Brewer, Al Thorton
11: Jerryd Baylis, MCW, Acie Law, Andrie Biedris, Cole Aldrich
With this in mind if the Suns come to the Sixers with the 14th and the 17th the numbers say you'll get near value at 14 as 11 and the 17th pick is, historically, a better pick talent wise than the 11th over the past decade. Numbers say pull the trigger.
With so many picks I want to see them trade 2-3 of the second rounders to move in to the low to mid 20s.
I too think they should package up the 39th, 48th, 52nd and 55th picks for another Top 30 Pick, leaving them with their own Pick(Top 4 Guaranteed), the Suns 14th and 17th picks(As proposed in my original post), the 32nd pick and what ever late first rounder we can get by trading the aforementioned picks Above.
Wiggins, Parker or Randle would be perfect fits at The Top of the Draft, Parker more so because he fills that immediate need for a Go To Scorer at Sf, something we lacked with Iggy and Evan Turner. Wiggins would be a very good alternative and I'm sure we'll debate which way they should go until the moment the pick is in.
Taking Parker or Wiggins at the top instantly gives us that Go To Guy at SF(Wiggins may take a while longer to get there) and If we are rebuilding our team with the Thunder in mind, they have Westbrook/Durant and Ibaka, the 76ers have MCW at PG and Noel at PF/C to emulate the OKC model with a slashing athlete and shot blocker at Pg and Pf, the missing piece is of course a scoring SF. None of these young 76ers is better than the players I'm referring them to, Westbrook is a top 10-20 player in his own right and KD Is a Hall of Famer. I'm just simple putting the pieces together that they have collected in MCW and Noel, not to mention having Thad Young who can be the Jeff Green type combo F if he is going stay in Philadelphia for the long haul.
If they can gather the right players with the Pelican's pick and the 5 second rounders we will be alright.
It's clear we need to pray for Parker/Wiggins to be the players we know they can be. Either guy will make this team 10x better.
They really like that 10-20 range: Jrue, Thad, MCW.......Rodney Carney. Jokes.
I would be happy to make that trade during the draft, but I'm not sure the suns would unless they were in love with someone that was sitting there at 11.
I don't think that there is all that much difference between 11 and 17 in terms of the quality of prospect, but it would depend on the board at that time.
It's going to be an interesting night. I would love for the sixers to trade 11 for 14 & 17, or even 16 & 19 (Chicago), which to me is more realistic. Assuming someone they really like falls into the mid 20's I would also be on board with moving 32 & 39 for a pick around 25.
They would be in position to walk out of the draft with :
2 - Wiggins / Parker - SF
16 - Gordon / Payne - PF
19 - James Young - SG
25 - Cauley-Stein - C (maybe he's not worth trading up for, I don't know)
Add them to Noel, MCW, Thad (who I think may get traded draft night) and Wroten...........and maybe next year we don't have to dip into the developmental league to try to find players.
If they could do that it would be great but I don't see that happening. Phoenix knows this is a fairly deep draft and they could get two guys that could help them right now as they (somehow) contend in the West. It is unlikely that one of the all-star type guys in the top 5 fall that far and in that case Philly likely wouldn't want to trade out of that spot anyway.
If you are Phoenix would you rather have Gary Harris or Adrian Payne and Nik Stauskas/James Young?
It makes sense for the Suns to try and package some of their first rounders as they currently have 3, as a Suns fan I'd be looking for a top 8 to 10 pick for trading 14th and 17th or I'd want Philly to throw in the 32nd pick as well.
My query from a 76ers point of view would be would they want 3 first rounders this year to go with 5 second rounders. They will have Nerlens Noel effectively starting as a rookie next season so would they want another rookie on the roster.
But I certainly think that Sam Hinkie will be looking to make deals and the Suns would be looking to consolidate. I don't see Hinkie realistically drafting 7 players but he'll be looking for little deals going forward to give him as much draft flexability as he can get.
BurgessFour makes a nice trade idea above - 16th and 19th from Chicago for 11th from Philly, that would work nicely for the Bulls if they bring Mirotic over.
Value wise I think that 14 and 17 is worth more than 11, but it will all come down to who is on the board.
Speaking for Sixers fans, I think that we all trust Hinkie. If HE would be willing to make that deal then we would probably be on board. The dude has been a ninja so far.
I agree, I don't think it's realistic for the Suns to trade 14 & 17 for 11, and it may even be a reach to think 16 & 19 for 11 would be an even swap. I do think even if they had to put a second rounder in either deal it may make sense for the sixers. As Hitster notes, it's very unrealistic for the sixers to have 8 draft picks and Noel on the roster next year. That's much too young and they'll need roster spots just to sign a few vets to get to the cap floor. No doubt they'll use 2-3 of the second round picks in deals for future picks or to draft and stash players.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not desperate to move back from 11, but it could make sense in the right deal. As the draft unfolds on draft night there's always a chance someone is available when the sixers are on the clock for their second pick that Phx. or Chi. really like and Hinkie's phone rings.
I think he has out Moreyd himself. He will get stuck with a few of those picks. Most likely he will use them to draft and stash. No way he goes in with 8 rookies..... But could you imagine? Lol. They would break their own record they are about to set.
Philly have 6 guaranteed contracts for next year, I'd assume that J-Rich will opt in for $6.6 million given he is 33 now and it could be his last major pay day given his recent injury issues. Byron Mullens has a player option for just over $1 million so may look elsewhere for a better deal. I'd assume that Philly may look to resign a couple of their current out of contract roster.
So they could bring a fair few rookies in but to work with such a young team would be almost impossible for Coach Brett Brown as he has found this season. The current Philly roster only has 4 or so guys who are not on rookie deals and that includes the injured J-Rich.
Philly hopefully get a top 3 draft pick this year to add a young talent but veteran leadership is desperately needed on a young team. The problem is a major FA is unlikely to go to Philly so they would effictively have to pay over the odds for a role player or two who might be looking to go on a contender ideally and want extra salary as they know the team won't do much for a few years.
You're right, but it's more like they'll need to sign 2-3 vets for a total of close to 20 million so they can't use all those picks for next years roster.
I would want Archie Goodwin in any trade
If they can get two picks in the 1st round after their top four pick, any two of Zach Lavine, Rodney Hood, Doug McDermott, and Adrian Payne would be great. Basically, a couple guys who can hit the three ball.