Would Nikola Vucevic be as effective as he is now if he was still a 76er?
Nikola Vucevic has looked like the hidden gem of the 4 team trade that sent Dwight Howard to the Lakers and Andrew Bynum to the 76ers. Vucevic along with the rest of the assets the Magic received (except Aaron Afflalo) were deemed by many to be quite mediocre, yet Vucevic has shined this season so far.
Last season for the 76ers, Vucevic averaged 5.5 ppg, 4.8 rpg, .6 apg and .7 bpg while averaging 15.9 mpg. Last years 76ers team lacked quality size outside of Spencer Hawes and Elton Brand yet Vucevic was buried in the depth chart eventually finding himself behind Lavoy Allen who was the 76ers second round pick the same year.
This season thus far Vucevic has averaged 11.3 ppg, 10.9 rpg, 1.6 apg and 1.1 bpg while averaging 31.7 mpg. Vucevic is 5th in the NBA in rpg.
It seems like Vucevic didn't get much of an opportunity as a rookie for some reason. Maybe because Doug Collins seems to like going small in the post...I'm truly not sure. I have to think if Andrew Bynum never plays a game for the 76ers this season and doesn't recover enough to play again then the 76ers will regret dealing Vucevic. 7 footers who can score, rebound, and block shots effectively are the ideal for big men and the 76ers dealt one for a 25 year old with bad knees.
So would Vucevic be as effective if he was still a 76er?
5.5 ppg, 4.8 rpg, .6 apg and .7 bpg while averaging 15.9 mpg = 11 ppg, 10 rpg, 1.2 apg and 1.4 bpg per 32 minutes, which look exactly like his numbers this year
Quite true. Seems stupid Doug Collins didn't play him more especially considering how mediocre Hawes and Brand were last year. Neither of them averaged double doubles. Hawes didn't average double figures in points or rebounds last year
With Brown, Hawes, Allen, Moultrie, and Bynum(???) he would still be playing garbage time.
Yes he would be as effective, in terms of statistical output i'm sure he could average those numbers given enough minutes but i'm not sure that he'd be playing 30 minutes for the 6ers due to the likes of Hawes, Young and Brown who are scrapping for clock. I'd expect an upgrade in his mpg if he were still playing in Philly but not to the extent that he is getting in Orlando, it wouldn't be an issue talent wise because he has the tools, it's just Collins would favor the experience of the guys mentioned.
Orlando's two young bigmen are looking very promising, Vucevic and Nicholson could be the next Gasol and Randolph if things go well, a duo that is considered by many as the most potent bigman tandem in the league.
I totally agree!
After the 4 team trade happened I thought the Magic got hosed, but there future is looking pretty bright right now. Of the four teams involved in that trade the Magic are the only team exceeding what I expected at this point. Obviously Bynum is hurt and that's hurt the Sixers, but I'm surprised the Nuggers aren't better and I'm shocked how poorly the Lakers are performing
He would put up better numbers with the Sixers with all their playmakers making it easier for him offensively (Holiday and Turner)
Do you think Doug Collins would play him or would he be stuck behind Hawes, Allen, Thaddeus Young, and Kwame Brown? I'd hope they would start him or have him play major minutes, but Coach Collins plays small forwards at the power forward spot too often.
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No because despite all of Collins coaching genius hes not good at letting a player get in a rhythm. Vooch had some nice games last year and would get a double double one game only to get 5 minutes the next. Collins rotations are so vet oriented younger guys dun get a chance to break out. Vooch should of started last year but by the time the playoffs came he was out the rotation completely.
Even before the Bynum trade Vooch wasnt in the plans but Kwame Brown was already being hailed as the starting center. Smh at Collins. I love him as a coach and personality but hes brutal when it comes to developimg players. Turner should of been starting from day one.
Id also li,e to point out Hawes isnt as bad as people think. If Hawes went to the Magic in that trade id bet hed be a 14 and 8 guy with more PT.
I think you hit the nail on the head here. Coach Collins like a lot of other older coaches who were players don't often give young guys enough playing time even when they are even in terms of ability with a veteran. Evan Turner should've been starting or at the very least playing big minutes from day one, but that didn't happen. I can't help but think that is part of the reason he's still inconsistent now that he's seeing big minutes.
I do agree if Spencer Hawes was given more consistent time, he'd be performing better than he is consistently.
Also when Collins announced that Kwame Brown was going to be the starter as soon as he was signed I almost fell out of my chair. It seemed idiotic not to give the big minutes to Lavoy Allen, Nikola Vucevic, and Arnett Moultrie rather than Kwame. Obviously Allen is getting more minutes than Kwame despite Collins original statement about starting Kwame.
Doug likes to play Thad Young strictly at PF these days. He plays about 35 minutes a game and the other 13 minutes go to Dorrell Wright playing stretch 4 or sometimes Lavoy Allen plays the 4. That leaves 48 minutes at Center to split up between Lavoy, Hawes, and Kwame Brown. I would much rather have Vucevic playing 30 of those minutes. You could see glimpses last year. He has a great touch around the basket and outside. He plays hard and always seems to be in good rebounding position. As a Sixers fan I was really upset that they traded him. Especially for Mr. Glass Andrew Bynum. I didn't mind them getting rid of Iggy because his time was up in Philly but instead of trading for an injury prone big man who only has one year on his contract they should have moved Iggy for some younger pieces and picks. They would also still have Moe Harkless who hasn't been getting big minutes but has also showed glimpses of being a good NBA player. The Sixers aren't going to be competing for a title within the next few years with a healthy Bynum or not. They should have just kept there young pieces to build around Holiday and Turner and maybe 4 or 5 years down the road when the Heat are no longer a powerhouse in the east they could compete for a title.
You make great points. I tend to agree that Igoudala's time was up and it wasn't a big deal trading him.
I remember Vucevic having some big moments when Hawes went down with an injury, that's why it was so surprising to see Vucevic fall out the rotation entirely by seasons end.
I'd give you an extra +1 for the Mr. Glass reference if I could.
Here is the thing, under what scenario would Vucevic still be in Philadelphia. The Sixers have a very different team this year. They just came off a month of travel hell, and have their record in the dumps as a result, but they aren't a bad team even without Bynum. If they would have kept the team as it was constructed last year, Vucevic wouldn't have the numbers but he'd be playing. He hit the rookie wall. He went to Montenegro, played like 20 games in a number of competitions, and then got thrown into a compressed season. He fell out of the rotation because he could no longer make shots come March, and Collins pulled his big men out to create space because his guards couldn't. What happened last year would not have prevented him from making the same shots he is making in Orlando this year in Philadelphia. He would have been done fine. The numbers would be smaller because the role would have been less than what he has in Orlando, but his rebounding numbers are inflated because since Glen Davis went out they don't really have guys who go to the glass (Nelson, Afflalo, Redick, Jones, Harkless, etc). He is a good rebounder, but the more good rebounders a team has impacts the actual counts. He is a skilled offensive player, but just as you can see with Pau Gasol there is a big difference in the utility of a player in whether a system utilizes a big man's ability to play inside and out or abuses that ability by using it to cover for the weaknesses of others.