Hey all.......I'm wanting to get your opinions on who you think is the worst starting PG in the league. I was watching the ORL/GS game last night and it struck me how bad of a starting PG Jameer Nelson has become. I'm not saying he is the worst starting PG in the league but he is down the list at the least.
Some different teams/players come to mind when I think of the worst starting PG in the league:
1) NYK- They don't HAVE a starting PG. Shumpert doesn't count. And neither does Baron Davis since he has yet to even step on the court for them. Douglas is a born 6th man.
2) Devin Harris, Jameer Nelson and Brandon Jennings are all guys who make the short list IMO. Devin Harris is a slasher who is marginal at best and can't seem to lead his team to Ws. Jameer Nelson seemingly never shoots well and doesn't play D worth a damn......and he seems a half step slower than when he first entered the L. And Brandon Jennings I can't stand.....low percentage/high volume shooter who is too weak and uninterested to play D or lead his team.
3) Guys who are injured still count as the starting PG.......so guys like Curry still apply as the starting PG.
4) I feel dirty/awful even mentioning the name considering he's one of the best PGs of all time.......but JKidd simply can't physically stay in front of all these quick youngins' and has fallen down the list due to that.....he still is aces when it comes to leading a team and seeing the court.
Who do you guys think is the worst starting PG in the NBA?
Forgot about Jack........he is best as a backup
id have to say teague, harris, fisher (is he still starting?) right now... i'd personally rather have jack then all of them. And im basing this for when baron is the starter in new york because douglas or shumpert would easily be the worst.
j kidd and jameer are valid options too, but both have shown to be pretty invaluable in the playoffs in recent years (as has fish)
I'm afraid Derek Fisher has cemented the award for worst starting PG in the league for a couple of years now.
Sure Douglas is probably even worse,but when B-Diddy returns he'll be much better, the Lakers would be very happy to have any of the guys you listed instead of Fisher
What has Jennings ever done to you? He's finally shooting over 40% and has seemed to have remembered what passing the ball means.
Fisher has had this award wrapped up for years.
I don't think there are that many bad starting point guards in the league. There are a ton of point guards of at least average ability and some teams have very solid backups too. I think Devin Harris is the worst since he doesn't add enough to a fairly talented Jazz team.
The Jazz have some great big men down low plus some good wings in Hayward, Josh Howard (who looked impressive against Memphis), and Alec Burks (who looks promising as a 2/3). I think the Jazz would be better off with a pass first guy who could hit some outside shots.
Devin Harris is more of a slasher, shoot-first guy who is not as quick as he was in his prime. He doesn't really add a whole lot to his team. I think Earl Watson does just as much for the Jazz.
But, there really aren't a whole lot of pass-first point guards so there are a few teams out there who aren't going anywhere with shot-happy point guards which is the worst place to be in the NBA.
The worst point guard in terms of talent is probably Derek Fisher who is really slow and is getting slower and he doesn't rack up a ton of assists. I don't think he has had a big scoring game in about a decade either. But, he can still hit some shots and knows the offense (pass to Kobe on offense, and get the outlet pass from Bynum/Gasol on defense after a rebound and then pass to Kobe in transition). He's also a good free throw shooter who plays within himself. He doesn't really take anything away from the team. With Kobe, Bynum, and Pau there really aren't a whole lot of shots left anyway so Fisher just tries to stay out of the way and spot up for 3. Fisher's bad point guard abilities are offset somewhat by him still being a very solid role player and a good leader.
Ironically, Derek Fisher could be the great veteran with a solid 3 point stroke if he went to Utah. He could feed the big guys and hit 3's and have some of his veteran experience rub off on them. The Jazz would still have Earl Watson as a halfway decent backup point guard (the Jazz could then get a point guard in next year's draft. Perhaps Kendall Marshall with a mid first round pick) to give the Jazz a change of pace and a few buckets off the bench. Devin Harris might be better off in LA with the Lakers to give them some more speed and a fourth scorer especially if Steve Blake could be the designated outside shooter. Harris would also allow the Lakers to run more. Even though LA isn't really a fastbreak team they still have Kobe, two athletic bigs starting, and Josh McRoberts and Devin Ebanks in supporting roles. Harris could start and give the Lakers more balanced scoring (by attacking the basket some and let Kobe be the jump shooter) and then lead the second unit with World Peace, Ebanks, McRoberts, and Troy Murphy.
A Fisher for Harris swap probably won't happen but I think that it would benefit both teams. The Lakers supposedly still might want to do a trade but if I were them I wouldn't touch Bynum or Gasol. Both guys are good rebounders and shot blockers and are great scorers. Devin Harris might be just the shakeup they need, and he really isn't a good fit for the Jazz in the long-term.
Although he is far from being the worst pg, I would have to agree with QuickPost. I can't stand Jennings either. He has added nothing to his game since his rookie year. He actually thinks he is a good shooter and bombs away like he is Nash or something. Anton, you're giving him a pass because he is a 40% shooter now? That's pathetic.
He won't be starting for long (Rubio) but Luke Ridnour has to be on this list.
Jameer Nelson shoots 46% from the field for his career and 39% from 3. He's shot over 40% from 3 point range over 4 times for a season during his career. He shot 40% from 3 pt. land last year, 38% the year before that, 45% before that and 42% the year before that respectively. Case in point he's one of the most effective 3 pt. shooting PG's in the league. He also only turns the ball over 2 times a game for his career which is rock solid for a starting PG. And I forgot to mention that the Magic have had one of the best records in the league year in and year out with Jameer Nelson as their starting PG and 2nd best player.
And Jarret Jack is averaging 15 and 8 this year while playing great defense.
The Knicks have to count whoever they start at PG is the worse right now. After them Fisher, Ridnour, Teague, Collison, and Wall are doing a terrible job either leading their teams or just competing.
dont hate on my man cool hand luke. hes solid!
Derek Fisher is the worst starting point guard. Mario Chalmers is a close second if he reverts to what he did the first three years of his career instead of this hot streak he has kind of been on (one 29 point game is enough this early to make your numbers look real good and I've had to eat my words a bit on that big contract the Heat gave him). Chalmers is a good fit for the Heat but if he asked to do real point guard stuff, then he would be right there with Fisher. Tony Douglas is obviously completely out of place as a starting point guard as well.
And don't let the 12 points and 9 assists fool you, Jose Calderon is pretty darn bad as well. He is a passing machine so it looks like he is some sort of master at running an offense. But the Raptors don't score that much and he is a really bad defender.
But really PG is strong spot in the NBA. You can make a nice argument for pretty much any other starting PG.
imo its not even close the lakers would take harris or jennings who seemed too get mention alot over fishers old azz in a second
I don't know why you got so many Negatives. Your list is legit and valid, I agree with it for the most part.
Your resoning? He's a passing machine??? he's a &$#%#&@! pg, you know, they guy whose SUPPOSE to pass. I'm sure 9 asts puts him in the top 5 of all pgs. Not to mention he shoots almost 50% from the field, 94% from the line and avg's only 1.6 to a game. He is far, far removed from the worst pgs.
I would agree the Knicks (and really the Kings) don't even start pg's. And Nelson and Harris both have reached their plateau and are declining for sure. Harris much more than Neslon However neither is worse than Fischer who might be the worse imo.
And Brandon Jenning? Hardly. He has increased his fg % every year, his scoring is up, his steals are up, shoots 80% from the line and avg almost 6 ast. a game. With the logic that he sucks, then john wall really sucks (13 shots a game 32% fg)
Yeah I don't understand how a PG who averages 9apg good for 4th in the league and shoots 50% from the field and 38% from 3 even made it into this conversation.
1 - Shumpert or Tony
2 - Teague
3 - Fisher
4 - Harris
5 - Jenning
When i saw this topic the first player that come to my mind is Fisher..i know he got expirience but common...Lakers need to put Morris play more often..
Cut Teague somw slack this is his first year starting after losing tons of confidence the past two years of riding the pine, I guarantee you if they had started Teague his first year or gave him valuable minutes to grow, we would be seeing another top PG night in night out.
11.7 PPG 5.5 APG 2.0 SPG 1.9 TO's per game thats pretty darn good especially for the situation he was in and came from.
But you guys will be eating your words about Teague soon, he can play, once he gets to that comfort level he was at Wake it's going to be a different story.
I didn't put Wall on the list because it's to soon. I forgot it's Teague first year starting.
i think it should be unanimous that derek fisher is the worst starter in the league. all the guys above at least have some upside(harris, douglas, etc) fisher cant stay in front of his man anymore and he cant make up for it from the 3pt line anymore hes 2/15 on 3pt this year. and steve blake isnt much better. as a laker fan id love to have any of the guys listed above.
How on earth is Mario Chalmers one of the worst, for the team he's playing on he's doing a damn good job for what he's expected to do, at least he's one of the main pieces making Miami so dangerous defensively, he's always in those passing lanes and picking off passes. The worst PG's are the ones who don't really add anything that benefit's the team, Fisher might be an example, he used to, but he's passed his expiry date for being a starter, Rodney Stuckey would have to be up there somewhere as well and with Brandon Jennings i think he thinks he's Allen Iverson or something because he cannot run a ball club, he's more of a pure scorer.
So you make a list and say that john wall is to young to put on the list but you put a Shumpert, a rookie #1??? That makes ZERO sense. I agree cutting Teague some slack. Thought he played pretty well in the playoffs last year. The truth is right now there are alot of young, good pg's who are just starting to establish themselves. My list of teams with the worst starting pg's is:
1.) Knicks-they don't have a pg until Davis comes back. Will evaluate then
2.) Kings-they don't have a pg. Evans is playing out of position, Jimmer and Thornton are sg's (Evans as a player would not be on this list)
3.) Lakers-D. Fischer. Past his prime. No doubt
4.) Jazz-D. harris. Never reached his potential.
5.) Miami-M. Chambers This one was a little harder Nelson is playing pretty well (so is the magic) and jenning> chambers. He's not a bad player and can get better but just 2 weeks ago everyone wanted n. cole to start.
Rodney Stuckey anyone?
BJ is not one of the worst. This statline is more than decent and actually points to someone above average. If he can improve and get to 20 points, 6 or 7 assists, 3 or 4 rebounds, and a steal or two he'll be playing at an allstar point guard level
2011-12 Regular Season
Toney Douglas is a bad PG. He can't see the floor at all.
Decided to look over the pg's while watching Celtics-Bulls and a couple pts. i noticed. First i compared 4 catagories Asts, FG% Scoring and Ast/TO ratio. Why? idk, they seemed the most relevant and once i started it became bigget than i wanted, so i stopped after those. All numbers are comparing just pg's. So a couple of things:
Whoever said jose Calderon is completely wrong. 4th in Asts, 7th in Fg% and 1st in Ast/to ratio His only stat that wasn't high was scoring.In fact all stats being equal, Calderon was 3rd.
Everyone who said Jenning would be disappointed too. His numbers compared to, say Russel Westbrook are much better Ast Jenning 17, Westbrook 21 fg% Jenning 15 westbrook16, scoring Jenning 4th, Westbrook 3rd, Ast/to ratio Jenning 19 Westbrook 30th Overall Jenning was12th Westbrook 18
top 5 1. paul 2.nash 3.calderon 3.rondo (tied) 5. rose
bottom 5. 1. douglas 2.kidd 3.harris 4.stuckey 5. fischer 6. nelson 7. t. evans
I think guys like Fisher, Harris and Douglas are the most obvious choices, but there are some mid level starting point guards mentioned as well.
John Wall's numbers compared to some guys that got some votes for worst starting PG
John Wall 2011-12 - 12.8 ppg 6.9 apg 34% FG 0% 3 PT 3.8 TO
Mario Chamlers 2011-12 - 11.6 ppg 4.3 apg 55% FG 43% 3 PT 2.6 TO
Luke Ridnour 2011-12 - 12.4 ppg 3.1 apg 51% FG 39% 3 PT 1.9 TO
Jeff Teague 2011-12 - 11.7 ppg 5.5 apg 46% FG 46% 3 PT 1.9 TO
John Wall was 24
Chambers was 18 (1st among pg shotting %)
Ridenour was 23
Teague was 13 (11th best fg, 7th best ast/to ratio)
Jameer is considerably better then Mario Chalmers.
And this list isn't a condement, it's simply a state of the worse starting PG's in the league as of right now. Like everything in sports this can and will change as the season progresses.
Fisher is the obvious choice, here, but just to let you know, he dropped 10 dimes yesterday, but was scoreless, lol.
Well I would have said Luke Ridinor but Rubio got the start last night.
I don't think you can ignore three years worth of work (and the 130 games he started during that time) and say that Chalmers is just what he has done over the last 12 games. This guy shot 42% his first season, 40% his second season and 40% his third season. He has averaged (on a per 36 minute basis) 10 points per game and 5 assists. If you think he has some how changed to become a 55% shooter, then he doesn't deserve to be on this list. My guess is that he had a couple of hot games so far in the 12 games he has played and he will revert to his normal non-factor self. It was just a few days ago that people were thinking that Cole would take Chalmers starting spot. But then Chalmers had that one game were he dropped 29 points. Last year he averaged 6.5 points and 2.5 assists and he started about 30 games. Maybe he has gotten better in his fourth year, but he hasn't gotten that much better.
Anyway, I did say he is a pretty good fit for a team with Wade and Lebron as he can shoot threes. But if you asked him to run a team (like the Knicks have asked Tony Douglas to do), it would be a disaster.
When is this guy going to retire. Sorry but its over Derek. The guy is slow as molasses and its gettng emberassing. He looks shorter then usual, he my already be shrinking. Fish is a dinasour and the herbivore kind.
2-New Yorks PG
Although Shumpert is an extremely talented young gaurd who I think has a very bright future in this lague the Knicks really need Davis to make his presence felt. When Davis gets back I think the problem will be solved but Shump and Douglas are players who should be used as feature roles off the bench. Douglas is extremely valueable off the bench and is one of the better bench combo gaurds in the league when used correctly. Shumpert seems like he hs something special, he needs to be developed correctly so New York can actually get a good player out of him. Dont throw him into the fire. Teach him what it means to be an impact player on both sides of the court and effieciently. Mistake fre basketball for 48 minutes.
Chalmers has been playing very good this year with Norris Cole really pushing for his starting spot. How long this will last is what we dont know, but he is really fitting into the offence and making an impact. Mental lapses, turnovers, stupid fouls, stupid shots, missed passes, and bad time management can still be spotted from Chalmers like in the triple overtime game he dominated with Chris Bosh. If we can learn anything from the past it tells us that he will soon fall back into his common routines. Hope he keeps it going thou.
Nelson, Calderon, and Teague shouldnt be on this list.
Im a wizards fan here , and Wall doesnt seem to be playing the same , hopefully its just a sophmore slump, but he has been struggling badly.