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- Posted on: Sat, 08/23/2014 - 2:30pm #57843
JoeWolf1K.J. McDaniels – Sam Hinkie and company have clearly gone with the long term strategy in building the 76ers. Losing quality veterans such as Thad Young, and Spencer Hawes this offseason, will most certainly open up minutes to be spread around for the 76ers rookie class.
McDaniels has some serious defensive ability, and the athleticism to make the jump to the NBA. He put up a solid Summer League by averaging 10 ppg in only 17.5 minutes of action and even with Luc Richard Mbah a Moute joining Philly, there will still be a fair share of minutes available for K.J.
Prediction – 15.5 mpg – 5.5 ppg 1.9 rpg .5 apg .7 spg .6 bpg – 42/29/79
Cleanthony Early – The Knicks are feeling rejuvinated with the addition of Phil Jackson, and first year head coach Derrick Fisher. They also landed one of the most NBA ready rookies at a bargain price by taking Wichita State forward Cleanthony Early.
Early is a player who is very well rounded on both sides of the ball, and can both create shots for himself and fit seamlessly into a team scheme. He’ll compete for minutes with veterans Iman Shumpert, J.R. Smith, and Travis Outlaw, but the position versitility of this crew will give Early some meaningful minutes in 14-15.
Prediction – 16 mpg – 7 ppg 2.3 rpg .5 apg .5 spg .2 bpg – 45/35/77
Russ Smith – After capping off a terriffic summer leauge, Russ Smith joins a Pelicans squad who has recently loss Brian Roberts to Charlotte, and who is still trying to decide what kind of minutes Austin Rivers is ready to handle. Russ Smith jumps into the equation with a defined role, loads of high level experience, and a perfect candidate to fill it up in the 2nd unit.
Smith may not be a pure point, nor a player with ideal size or bulk, but I’m confident he can fill the role of a John Lucas III at the next level, by coming in and scoring when NO is in a pinch.
Prediction – 14 mpg – 6 ppg 1 rpg 1.7 apg .4 spg 0 bpg – 39/38/80
Jarnell Stokes – Memphis’ addition of Jarnell Stokes plays perfectly into their tough nosed, brusier style offensive front court. Stokes had a great summer league and had to impress the Grizzlies’ front office by averaging a near double double in Orlando.
Competing with Jon Leuer for minutes at the 4 spot, he’ll most certainly have the opportunity to make a name for himself in Memphis.
Prediction – 17 mpg – 8 ppg 5 rpg .8 apg .3 spg .4 bpg – 47/0/76
Jordan McRae – Another 76er joins my list and for a lot of the same reasons. McRae is a player who really shined during Las Vegas and earned a spot on the roster.
Although McRae has quite a bit of competition for minutes at the two guard spot, I think he can find his way to some decent minutes on the court for a team that will most likely be experimenting with a variety of lineups all season.
Prediction – 13 mpg – 4.5 ppg .9 rpg .8 apg .4 spg .1 bpg – 39/33/77
0 - Posted on: Sat, 08/23/2014 - 3:10pm #946251
llperezJordan clarkson looked really good for the lakers in summer league and I can see him getting pt both backing up Lin and Kobe where he can play either gaurd spot. Him outplaying Kendall Marshall was a big reason they let Kendall go.
0 - Posted on: Sat, 08/23/2014 - 3:10pm #946386
llperezJordan clarkson looked really good for the lakers in summer league and I can see him getting pt both backing up Lin and Kobe where he can play either gaurd spot. Him outplaying Kendall Marshall was a big reason they let Kendall go.
0 - Posted on: Sat, 08/23/2014 - 3:12pm #946253
Rip255I think you’re right with Cleanthony Early & KJ McDaniels.
Russ Smith is a guy I’m less confident about. He can be a great spark plug off the bench, but I see him being a little too inefficient on offense and a liability of defense.
His game is perfectly suited to European leagues though, and they pay good money for dynamic American guards. He could earn substantially more and have a great career by heading overseas.
0 - Posted on: Sat, 08/23/2014 - 3:12pm #946388
Rip255I think you’re right with Cleanthony Early & KJ McDaniels.
Russ Smith is a guy I’m less confident about. He can be a great spark plug off the bench, but I see him being a little too inefficient on offense and a liability of defense.
His game is perfectly suited to European leagues though, and they pay good money for dynamic American guards. He could earn substantially more and have a great career by heading overseas.
0 - Posted on: Sat, 08/23/2014 - 6:12pm #946269
drk3351ParticipantI like these 2nd rounders.
K.J McDaniels
Jerami Grant
Markel Brown
Cleanthony Early
Damien Inglis
0 - Posted on: Sat, 08/23/2014 - 6:12pm #946404
drk3351ParticipantI like these 2nd rounders.
K.J McDaniels
Jerami Grant
Markel Brown
Cleanthony Early
Damien Inglis
0 - Posted on: Sat, 08/23/2014 - 7:43pm #946277
Lotto StudParticipantNick Johnson?
0 - Posted on: Sat, 08/23/2014 - 7:43pm #946412
Lotto StudParticipantNick Johnson?
0 - Posted on: Sat, 08/23/2014 - 8:00pm #946284
Anton123ParticipantI hope Jimmer Freddete can outplay Russ Smith and take Brian Roberts’ minutes, with the Cavs’ bench being really short as of now, I can see Joe Harris getting some minutes too.
0 - Posted on: Sat, 08/23/2014 - 8:00pm #946419
Anton123ParticipantI hope Jimmer Freddete can outplay Russ Smith and take Brian Roberts’ minutes, with the Cavs’ bench being really short as of now, I can see Joe Harris getting some minutes too.
0 - Posted on: Sat, 08/23/2014 - 8:11pm #946288
GrandmamaParticipantI think Early will be the steal of the draft.
0 - Posted on: Sat, 08/23/2014 - 8:11pm #946423
GrandmamaParticipantI think Early will be the steal of the draft.
0 - Posted on: Sun, 08/24/2014 - 12:24am #946295
RUDEBOY_Participantgood post..
but i’m surprised u didnt mention nick johnson..that guy was 1 of the highlights of summer league ..and will find a role in the rockets rotation..
there r some other guys that could make a contributions to their teams..
corey jefferson & spencer dinwiddie are in perfect situations to succeed,their teams need exactly what they have to offer.
jordan clarkson looks like a steal….
0 - Posted on: Sun, 08/24/2014 - 12:24am #946429
RUDEBOY_Participantgood post..
but i’m surprised u didnt mention nick johnson..that guy was 1 of the highlights of summer league ..and will find a role in the rockets rotation..
there r some other guys that could make a contributions to their teams..
corey jefferson & spencer dinwiddie are in perfect situations to succeed,their teams need exactly what they have to offer.
jordan clarkson looks like a steal….
0 - Posted on: Sun, 08/24/2014 - 3:53am #946435
JoeWolf1I looked at Johnson and Clarkson too for this list, Cory Jefferson as well…
I really like Nick Johnson going forward, but Harden is a 38 mpg player and I’m just not convinced he’s much of a point guard yet. Lin’s absense paired with Beverly probably not being a really high minute starter could open up some combination lineups with maybe Johnson or Harden together or Beverly and Johnson or Canaan and Johnson in garbage minutes.
I think he’s a good young talent, but I’m not quite convinced he’ll even get 15 mpg as a rookie. I could be wrong, but that is where my though process lies.
Clarkson too will probably play, and IMO could out perform some of the guys on this list if the Lakers get bitten by the injury bug once again. He could be a 10 ppg player if LA loses Kobe, Nash and they revert to their bench for the majority of the season.
Steve Nash and Jeremey Lin still have him sitting as the 3rd string PG, and he’s probably 3rd string at the SG too behind Kobe and Henry. LA is old, and could very well vault Jordan into a more prominant role, but if they stay healthy, I think he’s a 10 mpg player, but still a great value pick. I had him in the 25-30 range on my big board.
Cory Jefferson was a guy I looked at pretty heavily as well, because I think the Nets will really fall off this season with the loss of Pierce, and another year on the wheels of Williams and KG. Andre Blatche will most likely not come back, and Mason Plumlee will probably play minutes at both the 4/5 in the midst of a breakout sophomore year (IMO, Seriously, I bet the guy is about 13 ppg 10 rpg ). Still KG, Plumlee, AK47, and Mirza Teletovic leave a bit of an chance for Jefferson to grab some minutes, especially if the Nets are losing, and they want to rest the old timers. I think he could get 10 mpg and play in over 50 games which is pretty solid for Mr. Irrelevant.
0 - Posted on: Sun, 08/24/2014 - 3:53am #946300
JoeWolf1I looked at Johnson and Clarkson too for this list, Cory Jefferson as well…
I really like Nick Johnson going forward, but Harden is a 38 mpg player and I’m just not convinced he’s much of a point guard yet. Lin’s absense paired with Beverly probably not being a really high minute starter could open up some combination lineups with maybe Johnson or Harden together or Beverly and Johnson or Canaan and Johnson in garbage minutes.
I think he’s a good young talent, but I’m not quite convinced he’ll even get 15 mpg as a rookie. I could be wrong, but that is where my though process lies.
Clarkson too will probably play, and IMO could out perform some of the guys on this list if the Lakers get bitten by the injury bug once again. He could be a 10 ppg player if LA loses Kobe, Nash and they revert to their bench for the majority of the season.
Steve Nash and Jeremey Lin still have him sitting as the 3rd string PG, and he’s probably 3rd string at the SG too behind Kobe and Henry. LA is old, and could very well vault Jordan into a more prominant role, but if they stay healthy, I think he’s a 10 mpg player, but still a great value pick. I had him in the 25-30 range on my big board.
Cory Jefferson was a guy I looked at pretty heavily as well, because I think the Nets will really fall off this season with the loss of Pierce, and another year on the wheels of Williams and KG. Andre Blatche will most likely not come back, and Mason Plumlee will probably play minutes at both the 4/5 in the midst of a breakout sophomore year (IMO, Seriously, I bet the guy is about 13 ppg 10 rpg ). Still KG, Plumlee, AK47, and Mirza Teletovic leave a bit of an chance for Jefferson to grab some minutes, especially if the Nets are losing, and they want to rest the old timers. I think he could get 10 mpg and play in over 50 games which is pretty solid for Mr. Irrelevant.
0 - Posted on: Sun, 08/24/2014 - 7:27am #946449
220ParticipantI imagine that all the 76ers second round picks must be ecstatic because it isn’t often that 2nd rounders have such a great opportunity to not only make the team, but to be in the rotation. I agree with JoeWolf1 that K.J. McDaniels and Jordan McRae should find themselves in the rotaion because they have NBA ready positions and skills. I imagine if I was an undrafted rookie hoping to make a team I’d hope to sign with the 76ers seeing as for the exception of Michael Carter Williams, Nerlens Noel, and Tony Wroten playing time is wide open.
0 - Posted on: Sun, 08/24/2014 - 7:27am #946314
220ParticipantI imagine that all the 76ers second round picks must be ecstatic because it isn’t often that 2nd rounders have such a great opportunity to not only make the team, but to be in the rotation. I agree with JoeWolf1 that K.J. McDaniels and Jordan McRae should find themselves in the rotaion because they have NBA ready positions and skills. I imagine if I was an undrafted rookie hoping to make a team I’d hope to sign with the 76ers seeing as for the exception of Michael Carter Williams, Nerlens Noel, and Tony Wroten playing time is wide open.
0 - Posted on: Sun, 08/24/2014 - 4:05pm #946503
imAboutDatActionParticipantI dont see Ealy being successful in the NBA or carving out a role.
Just turned off by his flaws and his strengths don’t stand out to me. He won’t have a niche to hang on and he’ll be a negative on the defensive end.
0 - Posted on: Sun, 08/24/2014 - 4:05pm #946367
imAboutDatActionParticipantI dont see Ealy being successful in the NBA or carving out a role.
Just turned off by his flaws and his strengths don’t stand out to me. He won’t have a niche to hang on and he’ll be a negative on the defensive end.
0- Posted on: Mon, 08/25/2014 - 4:04am #946452
JoeWolf1What gives you the impression Early will be a negative defender?
He averaged .8 spg and .8 bpg in only 27.4 mpg for a very tough defensive team. He also sports a 6’10.5” wingspan, 8’5.5” standing reach and 40 inch vertical. Also, at 210 lbs, those are all good indicators he has the phsyical tools to guard his position at the next level, and more importantly he’s always shown effort on the defensive end.
His small professional sample size this summer, he showed nothing to make me think he’d be a poor defender at the next level. Early won’t be appearing in any All-Defensive teams in my estimation, but I think he’ll be at least an average defender, and probably a + one.
0- Posted on: Mon, 08/25/2014 - 5:26am #946460
imAboutDatActionParticipantHis lack of lateral quicks and low IQ will haunt him on that end. He honestly should’ve been better at Wichita St. on defense at his age and stage of physical dvelopment.
0- Posted on: Mon, 08/25/2014 - 5:48am #946466
JoeWolf1Early ran a very nice 11.15 sec agility drill and is known for being pretty good as far as lateral agility is concerned. I wouldn’t say his IQ is low either, he has a few bad habits, but the effort and athletic ability are there when he adjusts and improves.
0- Posted on: Mon, 08/25/2014 - 6:37am #946470
imAboutDatActionParticipantI dont take combine numbers seriously after finding out Dougie McD had a higher max vertical than Blake Griffin.
From the eye test, his lateral quicks was subpar. He also finds himself out of position on defense too many times. His defensive techique isn’t even there and he’s already 23.
Low IQ all around. He’s a good vertically, but i question his movements laterally.
0- Posted on: Mon, 08/25/2014 - 7:10am #946480
JoeWolf1The most important factor on defense, IMO, is the desire to play it and willingness to put forth effort every play paired with the athleticism to pull it off. I think Early has both those traits, and I will acknowledge he has some bad habits, but despite being 23, he’s not a finished product. He’s coachable, hungry, and is athletic enough to pull it off.
Like all rookies, he’ll have an adjustment period, but I’m confident Cleanthony Early wont be among those defensive liability type players after he gets used to the speed of the NBA game.
I guess only time will tell, but I guess we just disagree. I was just curious why you thought that as you have always been a big Early non-believer and I’ve never got around to asking why. Thanks for the response.
0 - Posted on: Mon, 08/25/2014 - 7:10am #946616
JoeWolf1The most important factor on defense, IMO, is the desire to play it and willingness to put forth effort every play paired with the athleticism to pull it off. I think Early has both those traits, and I will acknowledge he has some bad habits, but despite being 23, he’s not a finished product. He’s coachable, hungry, and is athletic enough to pull it off.
Like all rookies, he’ll have an adjustment period, but I’m confident Cleanthony Early wont be among those defensive liability type players after he gets used to the speed of the NBA game.
I guess only time will tell, but I guess we just disagree. I was just curious why you thought that as you have always been a big Early non-believer and I’ve never got around to asking why. Thanks for the response.
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- Posted on: Mon, 08/25/2014 - 6:37am #946605
imAboutDatActionParticipantI dont take combine numbers seriously after finding out Dougie McD had a higher max vertical than Blake Griffin.
From the eye test, his lateral quicks was subpar. He also finds himself out of position on defense too many times. His defensive techique isn’t even there and he’s already 23.
Low IQ all around. He’s a good vertically, but i question his movements laterally.
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- Posted on: Mon, 08/25/2014 - 5:48am #946601
JoeWolf1Early ran a very nice 11.15 sec agility drill and is known for being pretty good as far as lateral agility is concerned. I wouldn’t say his IQ is low either, he has a few bad habits, but the effort and athletic ability are there when he adjusts and improves.
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- Posted on: Mon, 08/25/2014 - 5:26am #946595
imAboutDatActionParticipantHis lack of lateral quicks and low IQ will haunt him on that end. He honestly should’ve been better at Wichita St. on defense at his age and stage of physical dvelopment.
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- Posted on: Mon, 08/25/2014 - 4:04am #946587
JoeWolf1What gives you the impression Early will be a negative defender?
He averaged .8 spg and .8 bpg in only 27.4 mpg for a very tough defensive team. He also sports a 6’10.5” wingspan, 8’5.5” standing reach and 40 inch vertical. Also, at 210 lbs, those are all good indicators he has the phsyical tools to guard his position at the next level, and more importantly he’s always shown effort on the defensive end.
His small professional sample size this summer, he showed nothing to make me think he’d be a poor defender at the next level. Early won’t be appearing in any All-Defensive teams in my estimation, but I think he’ll be at least an average defender, and probably a + one.
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- Posted on: Mon, 08/25/2014 - 4:30am #946454
JordanC20ParticipantAnother surprise player will be Spencer Dinwiddie
0 - Posted on: Mon, 08/25/2014 - 4:30am #946589
JordanC20ParticipantAnother surprise player will be Spencer Dinwiddie
0 - Posted on: Mon, 09/29/2014 - 11:08am #949820
nill650Participantconsidering philly is intentionally built to loose this yr. I can see grant,mcdaniels and noel all having what one might consider "an impact" due to large minutes but I doubt that those players will contribute to win-shares.
I am watching
Stokes will have the most impact of all 2nd rounders in his rookie season imo.
followed by
GRIII in Minnesota if he can get playing time.
Cleanthony Early will impact the game alot his rookie season.
Joe Harris if he ever sees the court in cleveland will fit right into that roster.
Alec Brown will be more impactfull than most anticipate in pheonix.
0 - Posted on: Mon, 09/29/2014 - 11:08am #949955
nill650Participantconsidering philly is intentionally built to loose this yr. I can see grant,mcdaniels and noel all having what one might consider "an impact" due to large minutes but I doubt that those players will contribute to win-shares.
I am watching
Stokes will have the most impact of all 2nd rounders in his rookie season imo.
followed by
GRIII in Minnesota if he can get playing time.
Cleanthony Early will impact the game alot his rookie season.
Joe Harris if he ever sees the court in cleveland will fit right into that roster.
Alec Brown will be more impactfull than most anticipate in pheonix.
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