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The Wizard's Pickle

I will start out by saying that Washington should probably void Gilbert Arenas's contract. Wait... before you give me a thumbs down or turn off your computer at least here me out then make your decision. Here are some basic points:

The Wizards now have the #1 pick, which is most likely Wall (a true point guard), unlike Gilbert who is more of a shooting guard.

Gilbert started the whole mess in Washington and is the player most responsible for their turmoil. Antwan, Caron, Deshawn, and Brendan were shipped out but Gilbert stayed. Where is the justice in this?

Gilbert is set to make a lot of money. He signed over a 100 million dollar contract. Washington has a good chance of getting his contract voided if they wanted to because of what went down in that locker room. Why not start from scratch (which history has shown is better) with much more cap room to sign one of these highly coveted free agents in 2010? Pair the great free agent with John Wall and an improved Andray Blatche and you have a good nucleus for the future, and more wins for the present.

The Wizards proved they couldn't win anymore with Gilbert, Antwan, Caron, Deshawn, and Brendan healthy. What makes them think they could win with just one of those guys? It's time to rebuild smartly like other franchises in the NBA are doing right now.

The only argument to keep Gilbert would be 2 interesting options. Draft John Wall and move Gilbert to the 2, or Draft Evan Turner to play alongside Gilbert in the backcourt.

Either way the Wizards are in a pickle. However, this is one pickle that they are blessed to be in.


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wont happen. players union

wont happen. players union wont allow it so forget that. they also arent in a pickle because they already stated a while back that they wanna keep gilbert despite his troubles. he made a mistake and isnt a trouble maker plus when he's healthy he is one of the best players in the nba, even with wall they arent a contender so they will just play gilbert at the 2 sell many many many tickets and possibly make the playoffs. they are in a very good position

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Yea... You're right. The

Yea... You're right. The Player's Union wouldn't allow it. IF that was the case, Washington probably would've done it already.

I think they'll shop Gilbert Arenas. Until they're able to find a trade, they'll play him and Wall in the backcourt together. It'll be a very good backcourt.

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Yes, they are in a good position...

They are in a great position. I stated that in my writing. I also gave the possible scenario of playing Gilbert at the 2, but you can't ignore the other facts that were made.

Also, players union could possibly block a void on his contract. But it could happen, it is a possibility and a good one at that considering what he did. I'm for second chances and all but everybody got traded away but him. Let him come back but if I'm the Wizards I'm gonna protect my franchise at all costs.

Of course their not gonna be contenders, they need to rebuild for the future. Trade Gilbert for a superstar or void his contract which will free up a TON of money to buy a great free agent in this once in a lifetime free agent class of 2010.

I understand fan loyalty and that Gilbert is a great player but you can't deny the facts, the scenarios mentioned above are possible whether we like them or not.

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do you really think they will

do you really think they will find a trade partner for that huggggge contract plus you add in his injuries lately and his one mistake?..the contract alone almost makes sure a deal doesnt get done........unless he loooks liek the old gilbert by the trade deadline then it becomes more possible but still unlikely

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there was already hints from

there was already hints from the players union that they would not allow his contract to be voided unless he went to jail for some years or a year. so no its not possible that his contract will get voided.. the union protects players at almost all cost

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I'm Dreaming This Happens

Gilbert has a lot of trade value. alot of us said if the NETS had the first pick then trade Harris well the WIZARDS can trade Agent 6 for some very talented players

Washington's Young Nuecleus
PG- John Wall
PF- Abdray Blatche
C- JaVale McGee
SG- Nick Young
SF- Al Thorton
Veterans
SG/SF- Mike Miller-Re-Sign
PG/SG- Randy Foye
PG- Shaun Livingston

Now you trade Gilbert to these likely destinations(These are maybes dont minus me)
Minnesota- Kevin Love??- He Can play the "Kobe Role" in the Triangle
Miami- Michael Beasey??- D.Wade ans Gilbert would work with STAT nasty big 3 but contract issue
Atlanta-Josh Smith or Al Horford and Marvin Williams or S&T for Joe Johnson- they need a PG maybe they let Teague run the team or they make a major upgrade
New Jersey- 3rd Pick in the draft???????????-you never know
Toronto- S&T for Bosh??

I Like Joe Johnson signing here maybe even Chris Bosh with out a S&T deal and then moving Arenas to Miami for Beasley or to Minnesota for Love most likely Miami though

G's-Wall,Foye,Johnson,Livingston
F's-Beasley,Miller,Thorton,Blatche
C's- McGee,Whiteside(Heat's 1st Rounder)

Nice core with a great coach and fan base they'd make the playoffs and surprise people

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@lolyouth I understand your

@lolyouth

I understand your reasoning on WHY they should void Arenas' contract, BUT... It's just not happening. The player's union won't allow it. Plus it's already too late. They've (front office and ownership) have already said that they're sticking with him. To backtrack after they've won the #1 pick and now try to void his contract would make them look silly. Player's Union definitely wouldn't let that happen.

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im guessing you arent

im guessing you arent counting the contracts. beasley nor loves contract matchs gilberts. also why would the heat trade for him right now when its not known if his inuries are gonna still effect his game? im pretty sure other teams arent vauling gilbert and that huge contract that runs past this year, like you do. hes making MAX money

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As a Wizards fan, I want the

As a Wizards fan, I want the Wizards to void Gilbert's contract. It's the worst contract in the NBA, and think about how much cap room we would have. But y'all right. The players union probably won't allow it.

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i feel more bad for john wall

i feel more bad for john wall than the wizards. gilbert will stunt the growth of wall. if they can get rid of gilbert than they should but i cant imagine them voiding his contract and i doubt anyone picks up his contract. the only trade mentioned that i could see is gilbert in sign and trade with atlanta for jj.

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I think John Wall compliments

I think John Wall compliments Gilbert Arenas. Arenas isn't done. I think he can be productive still, and I think Wall can defend SG's. You guys want Arenas gone, but Arenas looks like a good backcourt mate for Wall and vice versa.

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I don't think Arenas will

I don't think Arenas will stunt Wall's growth. I think it'll help Wall. He won't be counted on to do as much during his rookie season. Wall isn't ready to come in and take over a franchise.

Arenas is still a 20+ scorer, so Wall won't be burdened with carrying a large offensive load. He'll be able to defend, distribute/create and slash.

I think this is great for Wall.

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I think so too, they

I think so too, they compliment each other well. They probably need a good defender who is a tall swingman. I think Dominic McGuire would come in handy if they didn't trade him. He would be a good player to have off the bench to be a good perimeter defender. Wall and Arenas might be too small in a playoff series on the defensive end, even though I think Wall will be able to defend alot of SG's.

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how you figure he stunts his

how you figure he stunts his growth?..if anything i think it helps because he wont have to come in and be a big time scorer. he can come in set up players and do some scoring. just liek i dont think ben gordan stunted roses growth. it allowed rose to not have to worry about scoring so many points and took off the pressure on him on offense. id love this back court if gilbert was taller. but its cool since gilbert isnt there long term option at the sg position in my opinion and they arent even close to being a title contender

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If I am Wizards GM

If I am Wizards GM, I will call Mark Cuban right now offering Gibert Arenas for expiring contracts and picks. The Mavs lost in round 1 proved that Dirk should never be a number one option and he can't take the clutch shots. Gibert Arenas proved he could be a clutch time player. The Mavs may make a gamble to take on his contract so they can get a legit number one option and turn Dirk into the number two option where Dirk would be at best.

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Arenas and Wall will work

Arenas and Wall will work great together. Both are 6' 4" ish and very athletic. He has already successfully spent time there before next to Antonio Daniels and at times Larry Hughes also took ball handling duties. It will be a matchup nightmare for other teams. It would be smart to go out and add a defensive minded wing for the tougher SG/SF matchups though as Gil at the 2 wouldn't be a full-time gig.

@OP: The reason Jamison was traded was because he was old, expensive and can't play defense. Deshawn was traded because he peaked 4 years ago as an average role player. Caron had clearly either lost a step or wasn't giving max effort. The Wizards wanted to keep Haywood but he was needed to dump Deshawn and Caron. In a career year, he was also looking more and more expensive to re-sign and 30 years old already.

I believe the Wiz will shop Gil around but should only take a premium return (Iguodala is 1 example, Beasley is not). It will be very hard with his contract and I think they ultimately won't find that return and will want to see Wall and Gil next to each other for a year anyways.

As for voiding his contract, I believe that window has passed and we also already have enough for a max contract this summer or next. A young SF (Rudy Gay?) and a vet C (Camby on a cheap deal?) would be nice because I don't think Blatche should be bumped to C unless it's for Amare or Bosh. I'm not sure Boozer or David Lee would make us contenders.

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and if mark cuban did that he

and if mark cuban did that he would be a fool. we arent talking about ore injury gilbert we are talking about post injury and not knowing what hes gonna look like next year. would be like taking on tmac thinking hes gonna be youre number one after a major surgery. and which expiring contracts come close to matching gilberts on dallas team?

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@realgmbakax I can see that

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I can see that happening. Arenas' contract and knee are big issues, but I can see Cuban making a deal like that... Especially if they aren't able to sign and trade for a superstar like LeBron or D. Wade.

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@stanford hoops That's not

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That's not fair. Arenas is younger than T-Mac and his knee injury isn't close to what T-Mac's was. T-Mac needed micro... Arenas just tore his MCL. Plus, all signs are that Gilbert is healed.

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yeah but you dont trade for a

yeah but you dont trade for a guy who has been injuried the past 3 years before seeing him play at least half the season. you dont just go by reports you watch especially since he will still be avalible int he middle of the season so why rush it in the beginning when you dont have to? why not wait and make sure you are getting a healthy product that will produce and not one thats gonna break down again then youre stuck with that huge contract and im guessing a roster full of leauge min since you would have to match his contract in order to trade for him

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Oh yea... I agree with you on

Oh yea... I agree with you on that. I'd wait until after the season starts to make sure I know just how healthy he is, etc.

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