Withey vs Dieng
Which one would you pick?? Does it depend which team picks them? For now most mocks have Withey going higher
Both are similiar in that they have pretty high bbiq, mature, team players, have good size, athleticism, quickness, rebound , block shots and have underrated offensive games.
Well in the nba i doubt they will score more than 10 a game, but the main tool is their defense/team first attitude. Like a Tyler Chandler
I know Dieng is considered slightly quicker, especially good at pick and roll defense, a better passer and has some untapped offensive potential. Withey on the other hand from what i saw, runs from end to end easier (stamina), is a slightly better shot blocker and better ft shooter.
Which one would you pick?
Withey is taller. For that reason I like him more. He is also a better pure shot blocker.
I think Withey is more likely to be a starting center in the NBA.
I agree and there is no dispute. Withey is 6'11 or close to a legit 7 ft. But Dieng at 6'10 also has in the neighborhood of 7'4-7-6 wingspan vs Withey's 7'1-7'2.
In the end it all sort of cancels out it seems.
In regards to a better shot blocker, again no dispute. He was considered the best in the country, but dieng was then prob #2 or #3. Both were oustanding on man and off man shot blocker.
So you feel Dieng is missing something to be a starter in the nba?? The only issue i have with Dieng is at times he seems to disappear, but when you look at the statsheet after the 1st half has 2 points, 5 rebounds, 4 assists, 2 blocks. Seems to turn on the engine always late in the game vs earlier. Also he is pretty quick, but is not quick all the time. Is like he conserves energy and like a cat in one instance turns on the turbo. Not saying this bad, could be considered smart. But also maybe he doesn't have as good as stamina or motor?
I'm going Withey. He's a legit 7 footer with a 7'3'' wingspan and was one of the most disruptive defensive players I've ever seen in the 20 years I've watched college basketball. His mobility and sheer size and length will keep guys from driving. Now, I have no doubts that Withey will get dunked on a lot in the NBA, but he'll also block his fair share of shots as well. He needs to improve his strength, but he's put on at least 25 lbs since coming to Kansas, he'll continue to work on that.
Dieng is a nice prospect, but he's smaller and not really even on the same level as Withey as far as rim protection. Withey broke the NCAA tournament record of blocked shots last season ( in the same year Anthony Davis played the same amount of games ) and blocked 5.3 shots per game this year over 3 NCAA tournament games.
Withey has faired very well against many NCAA draft picks. He held Anthony Davis to 1-10 shooting, he gave Jared Sullinger fits and helped hold him to 5-19 ( Sully was putting together a very nice rookie year before his injury ) and he's always up for a challenge. He plays up in big games.
I think Dieng could be a guy similar to Festus Ezeli, but I think Withey could be a much more disruptive force on defense.
JoeWolf1, what about offense or rebounding skills? you give that edge to Dieng? The Festus Ezeli comparison sounds pretty good. Though i would have to add he has more offensive skills already. His passing alone is so much better
Also what makes Withey's prospect as a future nba rim protecter better than say a Fab Melo?
Both guys will have strength issues at the next level, but I like Dieng's ability to area rebound more than Withey's because of his better length. Neither will be counted on much for offense. I'd say Dieng showed more improvement offensively than Withey. I'd also like to see what Withey can do around the high post area. His stroke isn't that bad at all if you watch him shoot FTs, but he barely took any jumpers at all. Dieng looked much more comfortable catching the ball around the foul line area, making really nice passes and more mid-range jumpers as the season progressed. I would also give the passing and offensive rebounding edge to Dieng.
As far as Withey vs Fab as a shot-blocker, I'd say Withey looks smarter with better awareness and reflexes. Fab Melo has the basketball awareness of a brick.
Dieng can hit a 15 footer, but so can Withey. Withey is also more reliable from the stripe. I think offense isn't really the issue at hand because neither guy will have plays run for them at the next level. That being said, they're both compitent and guys you don't want to keep putting at the line ( especially Withey )
Dieng is a better rebounder, in my opinion, and I think will rebound at a higher clip than Withey at the next level, but I feel Withey can do one thing really really well and that will translate.
I think the thing that makes Withey better than Melo is the fact he has a much higher defensive IQ and flat out doesn't foul. When Melo was playing at Syracuse, in a freaking zone scheme, he still fouled 2.8 times in only 25.5 minutes per game. That is a very high rate, and if a guy keeps fouling, he can't stay on the court. Withey, on the other hand, has superior timing and IQ. Withey only fouled 2.1 times while playing just shy of 31 minutes per game. Over the course of the year, Withey blocked 1.85 shots per every one foul he comitted. Melo went 1 for 1 when playing in a zone. If he had to match up man on man like Jeff did all season, he'd be fouling at a higher rate than he was blocking shots. Withey's IQ is what seperates him from a guy like Melo...and he's faster.
I'm going with WIthey also. His shot blocking instincts at the college level were impeccable, and game changing. He only played two seasons with over 10 minutes a game, so despite being 23 think his ceiling is higher than some may realize. Both Dieng and Withey are safe and solid picks around 20.
I'll take Dieng because he looks to be the more versatile defender who's more capable of defending in space. He moves his feet really well for a big which is valuable for guarding face up bigs, PnR situations and switches.
I agree. And for some teams, the quicker feet alone might be the tie breaker. Withey by all means is not slow for his height, but might take a sec longer to urgently get to a spot
Dieng also has an ok little 15 foot jumper, that he should be able to develop , which would give him a more versatile offensive game too
I am very sorry. Just thought I'd start my profile with a bang, you know?
Withey is listed as 6'11.5" in shoes 229 lb 7'1.5" wingspan on other sites
Dieng is listed as 6'11" 245 lb with a reported wingspan anywhere from 7'4-6"
I can't really give any size advantage to either one there, but i guess we will sort that out after the pre-draft combine...
I think one of the biggest knocks on Withey is that he lacks lower body strength? That can be a major problem for a C at the next level...
Withey is a better finisher, and a slightly better FT shooter, but Dieng is the better passer and rebounder...
Dieng's learning curve is much different than most his age considering his unique background, having only arrived in the US in 2009 weighing 187 pounds.
I would take Dieng given that he is quicker on his feet and has a higher upside IMO
He's a better offensive player, stronger, more athletic, more upside.
I agree on these things. There is no question actually.
But i wonder about two interesting non stat info
1. Motor - Withey looks like he is in high gear mode as soon as he is on the court. Dieng at times can't be identified on the court, though i know he doesn't take plays off.
2. Withey is known to raise his play in MM, and this year it was no exception. He carried this years KU team to the final 8. He was avg 15 pts, 8 reb, 4 blocks a couple of assists and on several occasions was the fire starter to get KU going. On the other hand you couldn't say the same for Dieng, though he had very good stats all across the board and was an important presence in the post. When Louisville needed a boost it was always Siva or Smith and to a lesser extent Behanan.
From the feedback of this thread it looks like its 50/50 as to who they would choose. Is it agreeable to say, Withey is more a finished product with limited upside (though i wonder how much more his game might be enhanced with 10 pounds of muscle) and Dieng having more "potential" but by no means is raw. Both have interesting intangibles they bring to the table, though i find Withey's "impact" intangible intriguing.
I think that Dieng is going to be a better pro. He has got so much better all of his years in college. He has more upside. I really think the fact that he can defend the pick and roll in a pick and roll league is getting over looked.
lets talk about this.
Now if anyone on your team can defend the pick and roll that is a major bonus. For example NYN, Bulls, Celtics have this luxury with Chandler, Noah and KG. But do teams with guys that can't always recover quick enough in the PNR situation get burnt consistently? For example Memphis with Gasol, ZBO and GS with Bogut, Lee. Even back in the , guys like Shaq and Ewing, didn't have the lateral quickness to be able to defend the PNR
So even though its a nice luxury to have, is that all it is a "luxury" and you could find other ways to work around it?
Outside of PNR , i still wonder why Withey in most if not all mocks is 2 to 3 spots ahead of Dieng. Especially given Dieng's slight athletic/quickness advantage. Maybe it will change after individual workouts.
The difference between fab and either is that fab is stupid. I remember the game when fab melo took a jumpshot while cuse was up towards the end of the game instead of holding the ball for a win. When MCW(who wasn't playing much) tried to get on to him melo pushed him and cussed him out. Smh
I bet Mcgary would be able to provide a very insightful feedback, having faced both of these guys.
He had an o/s game vs Kansas, but many say it was not head on vs Withey. Against Louisville it was one of his worse games of the year and i do remember Dieng's length causing him all kinds of issues.
Anyone else who watched both games, think it was more the system KU plays where Mcgary took advantage of it, or he did actually outplay Withey?
It looked like, to me, that KU emphasized the perimter flashing Withey out to cover on pick and rolls, and McGary took advantage around the bucket against KU's smaller forwards. When he tried to go one on one agaisnt Withey he got bad shots or got his shot blocked.
Just for kicks watched michigan vs KU and then michigan vs Louisville.
Withey overall made an impact in the game bc he disturbed Michigan's ability to penetrate. Lots of key block shots. But it is a real headscratcher why in some of the offensive possessions he didn't go hard to the net. Like lightly jogging up the court instead. Especially the last shot try by KU, he should of rushed to the basket in case a shot goes up and you need a tip in. And instead he was just watching the ball. Also didn't like that after missing 3 key shots in the late stages of the game, it looked like his confidence was shot. Draftexpress has him having "lack of mental toughness" and i can clearly see why now
Dieng on the other hand was sort of invisible in the 1st half. But like Withey made it tough for anyone to want to penetrate for a layup. Bc also Louisville has better guard defenders, he didn't have to worry about Burke or Hardaway as much as Withey did. His passing on top of the key was excellent and he had some key offensive rebounds. Dieng looks like he has better technique or hands than Withey. He grabs the ball in one snatch instead of scrambling for a rebound.
If a scout watched both of these key games, no doubt Dieng would have to get the edge for a more complete game. Its too bad Kansas didn't win, and faced Louisville. It would of been the ultimate test