winnets and losers of the hou/min trade
David Kahn again makes a questionable trade involving their 18th pick for Chase budinger, in my mind here are the winners and losers of the trade. Winners: Chase budinger, with the emergence of Chandler Parsons and the tough rotations of Kevin McHale Chase now has a chance to start for minny Full time now that Michael Beasley and martell Webster are likely gone, it also helps he already knows about Rick adelman. Houston is also a winner as they get another pick to try and snag Dwight Howard. Losers: Minnesota, Kahn makes another questionable trade involving their very valuable first round pick in a loaded draft for a forward which they don't need when they need a legitimate shooting guard, derrick Williams: with Beasley on his way out Dwill was expecting to get a lot of playing time next year but now that minny has chase budinger derrick Williams may again be forced to play role player minutes
I don't think Minny is a loser. The trade saves money, Budinger has already played for Rick Adelman before, and Budinger is superior to most players taken past the midpoint of the 1st round. Minny likely thought that the best way to solve the issue at sg was to bring in Budinger, when the draft's top 5 sgs (if you consider Rivers a sg) are all likely to be gone by the time the 18th pick rolls around.
But I think they should have held on to their pick until the draft just in case someone they liked fell to them like Jeremy lamb who has been falling the timing of the trade was just bad, Chase budinger has all the tools to be a 15-20 ppg scorer its just the timing of the trade that makes it bad
I don't see why everyone hates this trade. I like it. Buddinger was in Adelman's system before and he really liked him. Why would that change? And saying they're already loaded with SF's isn't necessarily true. They have DWilliams who is more PF than SF and will receive 6th man minutes similar to that of Harden/Mayo/etc. He's not ready to be converted to SF yet in the NBA and this trade lets him ease into the starting role since he has so much more potential. On the other hand, this deal almost solidifies the departure of Beasely, if they can get something in return, awesome. They already got him for a 2nd round pick from the Heat so anything more than that is just gravy. The only valuable pick the Wolves could've made would've been for a shooter or, what I thought would be their best pick, Doron Lamb. Besides, Buddinger even though he isn't flashy is consistent. And that is exacty something the Wolves need in their SG/SF position.
you have to call minny the losers.... When are they going to stop stock piling on PG and SF? They could have gotten a good SG at #18... hell i think even taking a center like fab melo would be better for the team than budinger who is blocked by beasley. d-will, randolph, webster ect.
Nobody has mentioned how this could just be part of the ultimate plan to trade Beasley.
Right now, the T-Wolves have either 2 or 3 players on their roster (not counting Budinger yet) whose best position is the 3, depending upon whether you think Martell Webster is better as a 3 or as a 2. They are not stockpiling 3s. Derrick Williams is a 4 who played the 3 because they have a logjam at the pf position, but not at the sf position.
People see that the T-Wolves drafted 3 pgs (two of whom didn't even join the NBA immediately) in one draft and say they just don't care about roster fit. Their problem is that they have too many young players at all positions. I think that Kahn is too much of a meddling gm sometimes who didn't put Rambis in a position to succeed, but just because you don't like Kahn doesn't make this a bad deal.
I think that the T-Wolves should see if they can trade Beasley or Williams for a true center or sg and just build from there. They have solid talent in place, but they have a very unusual roster. They have a dilemma in having Kevin Love and Derrick Williams, who don't complement each other well as big men and who are each best suited as pfs. Plus, they have a dearth of solid wings. Beasley is their most talented wing, but he just isn't that great. He is a very inefficient offensive player who struggles to defend consistently well. The trade for Budinger is a step in the right direction.
This trade makes ridiculous sense for Minnesota. Are you kidding? Check the corner 3 numbers of the guys on the Wolves roster and realize Buddinger hits an awesome percentage of them and can effecitvely defend on ball for the 2 or 3 at far less than the cost of the 18th pick. After that, check out what most 18th picks end up doing in the NBA and realize the Wolves got out ahead on team fit here for at least the immediate future.
Adding to the positives are that Webster is now all but sure to be bought out, as his skills are redundant with Buddinger and it saves an additional 5 million. Beasley will either be let go or traded, as well. With this all the case, the Wolves will have, after renouncing Randolph, and, hopefully, amnstying Darko, a real rotation that makes sense, and enough can flexibility to get Brandon Roy or Jamal Crawford. The Wolves rotation then makes a whole lot more sense.
Rubio/Ridnour/JJ - one will se time as the backup 2
Crawford or Roy/JJ or Ridnour/Ellington
Williams (moves to the 4 when Love or Pek sit)/Buddinger/Wes (has to be damn near out of the rotation by now)
Pek/Player X (please not Darko!)
All of this also still leaves trading Williams for a more natural 2 or 3 in place and ideally unloading the utter bust that is Wes Johnson in the process. Seems like the Wolves gain cap flexibility, positional flexibility, and numerous options by doing this trade. I'm for it.
Since Kahn took over he has had 4 lotto picks (all top 6), which have turned out to be Rubio (GOOD), Flynn (traded with a later 1st Rounder for essentially Brad Miller), Wes Johnson, and Derrick Williams. Then he had another 4 mid-first rounders, which resulted in Ellington, Martell Webster (Luke Babbitt trade), Brad Miller (see above), and now Chase Budinger. Let's assume Webster, Beasley, Randolph, and Miller are gone to FA, and they amnesty Darko. This is what they are sitting with:
Rubio, Ridnour, Barea
Now everything is predicated on quality free agents wanting to go to Minnesota, which, as we all know, is where free agents dream of playing, right?! HA! I doubt Roy will sign. Crawford was ready to sign last year, but Kahn pulled a wait-and-see tactic (which failed), and I don't know if JC will want to deal with Kahn again - he hinted at a bit of distain when Minny was going to try to acquire him at the deadline. The big name I keep hearing now is Alexey Shved. A combo guard from Russia with a well-rounded skill-set, but a 7th or 8th guy in a rotation...?
Chase doesn't have very good handles, and can't create for himself or others - key to being a good 2-guard. Minny has been trying to play guys out of position at the 2 for a few years, with NO success. Budinger does provide an upgrade over Wes Johnson (which is easy to say, but sad), but is NOT a SG. If the Wolves plan to play him at SF and find a way to reshape the roster and find a high quality SG, then this is not a bad trade. If the plan is to move forward with Chase as the 'answer' at SG, this is an awful trade. But that is just my opinion...
I think that Chase Budinger is a better player than both Wesley Johnson & Martell Webster ,not to mention he is much cheaper and also the youngest out of them
He is athletic 3 who can hit 3's ,which fits perfectly with the team and he already knows the coach who possibly played a part in the trade ,If they traded Beasley or let him go in the FA,then Budinger is a gr8 back up 3 for them
I actually like the trade for them
with Ross/Lamb&Rivers all seem to be a lottery picks ,and with the team seems to be ready to take the next step and play in the play-offs next year ,I would take Budinger over most of the prospects available for them at 18th and care about the SG in the FA
Seems like half of ya'll don't even know this MN team. I agreed mostly with PulseGlazer, but right now what they have in place is a VERY strong, tall, and talented front court. They have Pek starting at Center who is an absolute BULL. He can outmuscle everyone except DH12 and even him he plays about even with in terms of backing down and comes down to effectivness and post moves. Pek finishes in the paint better than what he lets on as evidence by his numerous 20/10 games he had the second half of the season. Him and Love are an ideal PF/C match up because they are a perfect inside out combo who can both rebound great. The only problem is defense. Then comes DWilliams at SF who conveniently is 6'9 and plays good defense. He also can get creative finishing in the paint and can also rebound well. If he was more consistent last year, I don't doubt given starter minutes he could've averaged 16/8. Next at SG is Buddinger who is 6'8 and can knock down open corner 3's that Rubio will be giving him in abundance. He can stick with his man well and plays adequate defense where he won't be a liability. Lastly at PG, is the 6'5 Rubio. He averaged around CP3's numbers in terms of assists and steals just about and he rebounds well also. With this lineup, their shortest player is 6'5 who plays great perimeter defense. What's the knock on these guys? They don't need to get rid of half their team, they need to keep their team, try and sign JCrawford and have an effective 6th man or SG starter through the duration of the year. Other than that, they just need to get rid of Darko and Beasely and the rest can be figured out come draft day.
Losers are the teams looking to aquire real talent from draft night trades. If you can get a mid 1st for Budinger no way you give up real talent like Josh Smith, Iggy, or Gay for anything less than multiple high picks. You have to get 3 or 4 1st's for them