[mookieParticipant]

Here’s a video of Wilt vs Kareem. Insane battle between the 2!! This type of battle between 2 centers may never been seen again! Lol and how about Kareem taking a shot at MJ at the end lol

http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/08/04/wilt-chamberlain-battles-kareem-abdul-jabbar-video/?ocid=Yahoo&partner=ya5nbcs

[ItsVictorOladipoParticipant]

That hook is fcking impossible to stop! It’s weird that no big men in the league work on a move like that.

[ItsVictorOladipoParticipant]

That hook is fcking impossible to stop! It’s weird that no big men in the league work on a move like that.

[TheArtistPaysthePriceParticipant]

I like the evolution of big man play, to bad it stopped. Wilt would always spin into the defender and do a lay up but in the video Kareem blocked that shot every time. Kareem used the sky hook and hooked the ball over his shoulder that was farthest from the defender. Once bigs got agile and fluid and as big as Wilt his patented move wasn’t any good. If Wilt was younger he probably could have still overpowered Kareem but Kareem was busting his a$$ in the beginning of the video. You have to put it in context of old vs. young but still. I remember in the mid 90’s when the cross over became a NBA move and it destroyed guys. Now the hesitation and the pick and roll has taken over.

Thanks for posting that video.

[Michael.S.Participant]

Yeah, Wilt was on the decline in this video. I definitely do not think him getting his shot blocked was due to technique but rather a huge decline in athleticism. Shaq was unstoppable and he couldnt score with his left.he shot with his inside hand everytime he spun left

[Michael.S.Participant]

Yeah, Wilt was on the decline in this video. I definitely do not think him getting his shot blocked was due to technique but rather a huge decline in athleticism. Shaq was unstoppable and he couldnt score with his left.he shot with his inside hand everytime he spun left

[TheArtistPaysthePriceParticipant]

I like the evolution of big man play, to bad it stopped. Wilt would always spin into the defender and do a lay up but in the video Kareem blocked that shot every time. Kareem used the sky hook and hooked the ball over his shoulder that was farthest from the defender. Once bigs got agile and fluid and as big as Wilt his patented move wasn’t any good. If Wilt was younger he probably could have still overpowered Kareem but Kareem was busting his a$$ in the beginning of the video. You have to put it in context of old vs. young but still. I remember in the mid 90’s when the cross over became a NBA move and it destroyed guys. Now the hesitation and the pick and roll has taken over.

Thanks for posting that video.

[JoeWolf1]

Very cool. Most of the footage I’ve seen of Kareem is from the 80’s, I kind of forgot how mobile he was in his 20’s I knew he was a phenominal athlete ( you have to be to play in the NBA until age 40 at 7’2” ) but that was a good piece.

It is a bit of a shame most of the better big men in the NBA rely so much on physical prowess and come in the league so raw. I completely understand the allure of being a top pick and the money, but the college game is important when developing big men, especially since many of them just go Shaq on 6’6” opponents.

Dwight still looks very robotic when he shoots his baby hook and Drummond ( the next guy with the physcial tools to be a top big ) is a 30% FT shooter who is as raw as sushi on offense. I saw the impact Danny Manning had on KU’s big men as an assitant coach, and I really do wonder why more college programs don’t hire former post players as assistants to share that knowledge. Wojo was Duke’s post coach for years, with more bigs playing a year or two before bolting for the pros and the lack of tutors at the college ranks, it’s just going to continue to be the same way. It’s kind of sad, I think. A truly great center is one of the most impressive things to watch in the game of basketball, IMO.

[JoeWolf1]

Very cool. Most of the footage I’ve seen of Kareem is from the 80’s, I kind of forgot how mobile he was in his 20’s I knew he was a phenominal athlete ( you have to be to play in the NBA until age 40 at 7’2” ) but that was a good piece.

It is a bit of a shame most of the better big men in the NBA rely so much on physical prowess and come in the league so raw. I completely understand the allure of being a top pick and the money, but the college game is important when developing big men, especially since many of them just go Shaq on 6’6” opponents.

Dwight still looks very robotic when he shoots his baby hook and Drummond ( the next guy with the physcial tools to be a top big ) is a 30% FT shooter who is as raw as sushi on offense. I saw the impact Danny Manning had on KU’s big men as an assitant coach, and I really do wonder why more college programs don’t hire former post players as assistants to share that knowledge. Wojo was Duke’s post coach for years, with more bigs playing a year or two before bolting for the pros and the lack of tutors at the college ranks, it’s just going to continue to be the same way. It’s kind of sad, I think. A truly great center is one of the most impressive things to watch in the game of basketball, IMO.

[ChrispyParticipant]

I met Kareem a few months ago, and he is still massive. Age has not taken a toll on his frame the way it does with some bigs. Very awkward dude, socially at least. Kareem even gives a “dead fish” handshake. Plus, he was hanging with Chuck D!! They walked around talking about jazz, music and other stuff for some video shoot. Weird and awesome…

[ChrispyParticipant]

I met Kareem a few months ago, and he is still massive. Age has not taken a toll on his frame the way it does with some bigs. Very awkward dude, socially at least. Kareem even gives a “dead fish” handshake. Plus, he was hanging with Chuck D!! They walked around talking about jazz, music and other stuff for some video shoot. Weird and awesome…

[ItsVictorOladipoParticipant]

If anybody is interested in seeing some highlight vids from the 60s and 70s look up “Wilt Chamberlain Archive” on youtube, that’s where this video and the one I put up of Russell dribbling the length of the floor and getting a layup from the key came from. Awesome channel

http://www.youtube.com/user/dantheman9758/videos

[ItsVictorOladipoParticipant]

If anybody is interested in seeing some highlight vids from the 60s and 70s look up “Wilt Chamberlain Archive” on youtube, that’s where this video and the one I put up of Russell dribbling the length of the floor and getting a layup from the key came from. Awesome channel

http://www.youtube.com/user/dantheman9758/videos

[ChrispyParticipant]

Great archive of footage and interviews. +1

[ChrispyParticipant]

Great archive of footage and interviews. +1

[bobbybParticipant]

I hate to be a Howard “hater” but when you see this guys play, it is hard to put Howard in the same sentence with these guy. Yes he can greatly influence a game, but like Barkley said “Howard doesn’t even know how to post up”

[bobbybParticipant]

I hate to be a Howard “hater” but when you see this guys play, it is hard to put Howard in the same sentence with these guy. Yes he can greatly influence a game, but like Barkley said “Howard doesn’t even know how to post up”

[ItsRainingNegsParticipant]

When I watch Russell highlights I am reminded of Howard. Russell was more mature, higher basketball IQ, and a better team player. That matters. But they were both slightly undersized, truly elite defenders with awesome athleticism. So what if Howard averaged 22 with just dunks, FT’s, and garbage layups? Russell wasn’t (from what I’ve seen) either yet he was such a game changing force. The only difference is the intangibles and teammates, which shows in the rings.

[ItsRainingNegsParticipant]

When I watch Russell highlights I am reminded of Howard. Russell was more mature, higher basketball IQ, and a better team player. That matters. But they were both slightly undersized, truly elite defenders with awesome athleticism. So what if Howard averaged 22 with just dunks, FT’s, and garbage layups? Russell wasn’t (from what I’ve seen) either yet he was such a game changing force. The only difference is the intangibles and teammates, which shows in the rings.

[BruinSteveParticipant]

I really hope they post the match up between Wilt and Walt Bellamy. Walt was the second leading scorer(31ppg) behind Wilt at that time and during pregame Wilt said he wouldn’t make a shot that game and Walt shot 9 times in the first half. Wilt blocked all of them and the said during half time, “now you can play”. This is what irks some people about Wilt, he didn’t try 100% all of the time. But when he did, it was the most unstoppable thing ever witnessed in basketball.

[BruinSteveParticipant]

I really hope they post the match up between Wilt and Walt Bellamy. Walt was the second leading scorer(31ppg) behind Wilt at that time and during pregame Wilt said he wouldn’t make a shot that game and Walt shot 9 times in the first half. Wilt blocked all of them and the said during half time, “now you can play”. This is what irks some people about Wilt, he didn’t try 100% all of the time. But when he did, it was the most unstoppable thing ever witnessed in basketball.

[HitsterParticipant]

The footage of maybe the two greatest scoring bigs was fun to watch. I would say that Wilt was over 10 years older than Kareem so the later footage was when Wilt was towards the end of his great career.

But to choose between them is nigh on impossible, you have the highest points scorer ever against the joint highest PPG scorer ever.

I was looking at both their career stats and viewing what people have put on this thread about the current best scoring bigs in the nba and I noticed that in 1985-86 when Kareem was 38 going into 39 that April he averaged 23.4ppg over 79 games. The best that D12 has managed to date is 22.9ppg that shows the legacy and greatness of guys like Wilt and Kareem IMO.

[HitsterParticipant]

The footage of maybe the two greatest scoring bigs was fun to watch. I would say that Wilt was over 10 years older than Kareem so the later footage was when Wilt was towards the end of his great career.

But to choose between them is nigh on impossible, you have the highest points scorer ever against the joint highest PPG scorer ever.

I was looking at both their career stats and viewing what people have put on this thread about the current best scoring bigs in the nba and I noticed that in 1985-86 when Kareem was 38 going into 39 that April he averaged 23.4ppg over 79 games. The best that D12 has managed to date is 22.9ppg that shows the legacy and greatness of guys like Wilt and Kareem IMO.

[Memphis MadnessParticipant]

We won’t see another Wilt for a long, long time. We might not even see another Shaq.

Wilt, Kareem, Russell, and Shaq represent the Mount Rushmore of Centers. At least we all got to watch Shaq…

[ItsVictorOladipoParticipant]

The Mount Rushmore of centers has one more face; Olajuwon. Hakeem deserves to be up there with the other 4. An absolute force on both ends of the court. Had skill, technique, desire and bball IQ. Personally I think him and Shaq are neck and neck. Shaq was more unstoppable down low but Hakeem was the better defender and didn’t have the free throw shooting weakness of O’Neal.

[ItsVictorOladipoParticipant]

The Mount Rushmore of centers has one more face; Olajuwon. Hakeem deserves to be up there with the other 4. An absolute force on both ends of the court. Had skill, technique, desire and bball IQ. Personally I think him and Shaq are neck and neck. Shaq was more unstoppable down low but Hakeem was the better defender and didn’t have the free throw shooting weakness of O’Neal.

[Memphis MadnessParticipant]

We won’t see another Wilt for a long, long time. We might not even see another Shaq.

Wilt, Kareem, Russell, and Shaq represent the Mount Rushmore of Centers. At least we all got to watch Shaq…

[ghrghrParticipant]

Wilt (only seen videos of him) was ahead of his time in terms of size and athleticism, but he was by no means very skilled. He was a terrible shooter and got most of his points being bigger, faster and stronger than everyone else defending him.

Kareem (who I did see play), on the other hand was a a complete player, skill, size, athleticism. I would take a prime Kareem over a prime Wilt any day, huge skill difference.

[ghrghrParticipant]

Wilt (only seen videos of him) was ahead of his time in terms of size and athleticism, but he was by no means very skilled. He was a terrible shooter and got most of his points being bigger, faster and stronger than everyone else defending him.

Kareem (who I did see play), on the other hand was a a complete player, skill, size, athleticism. I would take a prime Kareem over a prime Wilt any day, huge skill difference.

[ItsVictorOladipoParticipant]

Wilt (only seen videos of him) was ahead of his time in terms of size and athleticism, but he was by no means very skilled. He was a terrible shooter and got most of his points being bigger, faster and stronger than everyone else defending him.
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There are plenty of clips of Wilt going coast to coast and doing reverse layups etc. Those take alot of skill for anyone to pull of let alone a 7-1 275 pounder.

[ItsVictorOladipoParticipant]

Wilt (only seen videos of him) was ahead of his time in terms of size and athleticism, but he was by no means very skilled. He was a terrible shooter and got most of his points being bigger, faster and stronger than everyone else defending him.
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There are plenty of clips of Wilt going coast to coast and doing reverse layups etc. Those take alot of skill for anyone to pull of let alone a 7-1 275 pounder.

[JoeWolf1]

When Wilt was growing up the jump shot as we know it today was in it’s infancy. No Wilt was not a good face up shooter with great range for a big man, but he was extremely skilled in the post, as a passer, and from an IQ standpoint. If you hear interviews with him, its’ pretty evident that despite his size and physical prowess he was very analytical about the way the game was played. No, he didn’t have a jumper, but he had a lot of skill.

[JoeWolf1]

When Wilt was growing up the jump shot as we know it today was in it’s infancy. No Wilt was not a good face up shooter with great range for a big man, but he was extremely skilled in the post, as a passer, and from an IQ standpoint. If you hear interviews with him, its’ pretty evident that despite his size and physical prowess he was very analytical about the way the game was played. No, he didn’t have a jumper, but he had a lot of skill.

[HitsterParticipant]

Just thinking the Centres (I’m from the UK so we spell it differently) listed on here all almost go in career order:-

Russell
Chamberlain
Kareem
Hakeem
Shaq

Russell and Wilt were only two years apart in age but Wilt played on about 5 years after Russell retired and he played against Kareem whilst Bill Russell didn’t competively as far as I recall. Kareem would have faced a young Hakeem in the 1980’s and Hakeem won his 2nd title against Shaq and the Magic.

[HitsterParticipant]

Just thinking the Centres (I’m from the UK so we spell it differently) listed on here all almost go in career order:-

Russell
Chamberlain
Kareem
Hakeem
Shaq

Russell and Wilt were only two years apart in age but Wilt played on about 5 years after Russell retired and he played against Kareem whilst Bill Russell didn’t competively as far as I recall. Kareem would have faced a young Hakeem in the 1980’s and Hakeem won his 2nd title against Shaq and the Magic.

[HitsterParticipant]

Just thinking the Centres (I’m from the UK so we spell it differently) listed on here all almost go in career order:-

Russell
Chamberlain
Kareem
Hakeem
Shaq

Russell and Wilt were only two years apart in age but Wilt played on about 5 years after Russell retired and he played against Kareem whilst Bill Russell didn’t competively as far as I recall. Kareem would have faced a young Hakeem in the 1980’s and Hakeem won his 2nd title against Shaq and the Magic.

[HitsterParticipant]

Just thinking the Centres (I’m from the UK so we spell it differently) listed on here all almost go in career order:-

Russell
Chamberlain
Kareem
Hakeem
Shaq

Russell and Wilt were only two years apart in age but Wilt played on about 5 years after Russell retired and he played against Kareem whilst Bill Russell didn’t competively as far as I recall. Kareem would have faced a young Hakeem in the 1980’s and Hakeem won his 2nd title against Shaq and the Magic.

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