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Is Williams a Beasley clone?

For the Wolves, are Beasley and Williams the exact same player?? They can both handle a little bit and can both score in a lot of different ways..

Nice range and nice post game for both.. They are even the same size..

Do you keep them or do you trade one?

If you trade, who goes?


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this year, start beasley and

this year, start beasley and bring williams off the bench. After a year of seeing how things develop, then make a decision if you need to trade one. As for being the same player, beasley is a better one on one talent as of now while dwill get more easy baskets off spot up threes and finishing layups off passes from his teammates. In the end though, both are gonna be sf's who will be liabilities defensively at the 4 so its hard to see building the team long term around both. But with the wolves, who knows what they are thinking. I mean barea is gonna play a lot of sg and love will probably play a good bit of center. It seems they just want to go small and outscore teams.

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They are similar and it isn't

They are similar and it isn't great that this team has Beasly, Williams and Love who are all about the same size and (now that Love lost that weight) about the same weight. But Beasely is not yet sufficiently rehabilitated to have good trade value and Williams is far less of a lock to be an NBA star than some people think. The Wolves can't really be expected to be a playoff team this year, so all they really need to do is to develop their young talent. They can do that while guys are playing some minutes out of position.

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I think the Wolves keep them

I think the Wolves keep them both, at least until they see how Williams pans out for the season. Though Beasley may be a headcase at times, he has a consistently proven offensive knack for the game (when healthy and focused) and is still pretty young, so he has time to get it right on the psychological/mental standpoint. Unless a good trade proposal pops up, They should both saty put.

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Also, Beasley seems like Melo

Also, Beasley seems like Melo Light out there.. He looked good but Williams seems to have every tool that Beaslye has and could even be more explosive.

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They are and they aren't.

They are and they aren't. Derrick Williams is actually the bigger one in one both heigh and length by about a half an inch, and Williams now has a good 15 pounds of weight on Beasley.

Athletically Williams has the slight advantage too, Dwill is a bit more explosive and a lot stronger then B Easy.

Williams is also the better shooter of the two.

Beasley has a little more skill and overall polish on offense at this point tho. Beasley can score off the dribble more effectively and is a little bit more crafty getting his shot off.

Right now the Wolves are gonna start Beasley at SF and Love at PF like last year and bring Williams off the bench in the combo forward role like how the Sixers use Thad Young. Williams is going to excel in this role and with this extra crazy condensed season it's going to be a huge advantage and will help the Wolves have fresh legs everynight. The Wolves are going to be a problem this year for a lot of teams because they have a ton of talent and are really deep with guards and forwards all of the sudden plus Rick Adelman is a great coach who always get's the most out of his team. That's a scary thought with the amount of potential this team has.

In the future they will trade Beasley but I don't think it happens this year and Williams and Beasley can both play together they compliment each other really well because both of them can play inside and out. And remenber Love has never proved to be the most durable player.

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No, Williams can play both

No, Williams can play both the 3 and 4, while Beasley is strictly a 3...

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Dwill can do everything

Dwill can do everything beasly can but more efficiently a little taller stronger more explosive Beasly is more smooth than explosive. also he has the intangible Beasly doesnt have he gets frustated fights with the crowds. the pot thing, the twitter thing.

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Beasley would start at PF for

Beasley would start at PF for a lot of teams like the one they played tonight. I wouldn;t be surprised if Beasley averaged 20 and 10 playing for a team like the Bucks. He was always rebounding machine until he got to the league and they wanted to play him away from the basket.

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If Beasley played PF for a

If Beasley played PF for a team they'd be awful, and he isn't a good rebounder. He averages 5.5 boards a game. So to say he'd average 10 boards a game is absurd....

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He will get traded, I think

He will get traded, I think it's best for him being a 6th man like Odom, Marvin William, type of role.

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Beasley has the perfect PF

Beasley has the perfect PF body at 6'9 and 235 pounds. His 7'0 wingspan, 8'11 standing reach, 35 inch vert, and 19 reps at the combine gave everybody the impression he was built perfectly to play in the post in the league. At Kansas State he averaged 12 rebounds a game in 31 minutes. Rebounding is the one stat that translates most directly to the league.

Beasleys rookie year he averaged 24 minutes and 5.4 rebounds. Then the Heat made the decision to move him out the post to the perimeter full time.

His 2nd year he averaged 29 minutes and 6.4 rebounds. In both his rookie and sophomore year those numbers are good for 9 rebounds per 40 minutes.

Yes last year he averaged 5.5 rebounds in 32 minutes but he is playings SF full time and plays next to Kevin Love who won't let anybody but himself have a rebound.

My point was if you take him off the Wolves and put him on a team where he can play PF full time he can be a 20 and 10 player. Why? Because he has the body and skill set and oh I forgot to mention he don't turn 23 until January 9th.

Mostly all the best rebounders in the league if you look took time to become a dominant rebounder in the league. I always liked Beasley to Jamison who only averaged 6 rebounds as a rookie but averaged 20 and 10 by the time his 4 year in Washington.

And Beasley could add another 15 pounds of muscle easy if a team wanted him to play PF like how he lost 10 pounds to play SF. To think Beasley doesn't have the potential to be a 20 and 10 PF is craziness. Put him on the Cavs and he averages 20 and 9 this year and he's only 22 imagine when he's 26.

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unless...

"Mostly all the best rebounders in the league if you look took time to become a dominant rebounder "

This does not apply if you're name is Shaq aka Shaq Daddy aka Shaq Fu aka Diesel aka The Big Aristotle aka Superman aka Most Dominat Ever aka The big Maravich aka The Big Felon aka The Big Cactus aka The Big Cordially aka Big Shamrock..

thanks wiki :p

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"Mostly all the best

"Mostly all the best rebounders in the league if you look took time to become a dominant rebounder "

This does not apply if you're name is Shaq aka Shaq Daddy aka Shaq Fu aka Diesel aka The Big Aristotle aka Superman aka Most Dominat Ever aka The big Maravich aka The Big Felon aka The Big Cactus aka The Big Cordially aka Big Shamrock..

thanks wiki :p

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Or Dwight Howard, Blake Griffin, Kevin Love, Dikembe Mutombo, David Robinson etc. Still that trend does apply to many other players since strength and technique tend to peak in the mid to late 20s of most athletes.

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I do not believe Beasley is a 6th man

I believe he will always play best as a starter. I need to see more of Williams cause right now I think Beasley is more explosive as a scorer. Play Williams at the four Love at the five and see what happens b4 you trade either one of them.

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He is 6'8 not 6'9, he weighs

He is 6'8 not 6'9, he weighs 235 so does Paul Peice and Melo Lebron out weighs him. He rarely plays the post I've always seen him take mid range shots.

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he is starter

beasley is. and definately can play good PF. stretch pf but not as offensive post player.. like mr. 19134 said, he can put up 20 and 9 numbers on a team like bucks/cavs or bobcats

i hope none of them gets traded this season tho.. i wanna see rubio jj beas dwil and love play at the same time

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Ok he would get 20 and 10 on

Ok he would get 20 and 10 on a bad team. A lot of players could look do really well on a bad team. Look at David Ly he was putting up gaudy numbers with the Knicks. What happen now that he is with the a decent team. Yeah he Beasly put up crazy numbers in college so did a bunch of people. Some players can't translate there game to the NBA.. Rookie year and sophomore he was playing against back ups. The Heats wanted him to play in the paint he still stayed away from it. Also this is what they get from the Second overall pick ? It's not like he didnt get chances. Teams and coaches have tried all ways to make it work and they prolly again cant figure how.

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beasley

I would keep both until you have to sign williams to his second contract b/c they both are really talented and if the both develop they could be a great tandem, or trade one and get a good center

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while beasley averaged 12 a

while beasley averaged 12 a gmae and was 239 back than in college he stayed at sf size because in the nba he isn't agressive enough to rebound that well and play pf full time..Derrick at 20yo like 2 and a half younger than Beasley is already measured 248 while his quickness still was is the range of Blake Griffin or the same Beasley..so even if his biggest weakness could be rebounding too with that size/athelticism combination he will be much better match up problem at pf especially with his range and quickly developing handles he is like DWest with athleticism..Beasley on the other hand kas smoother moves body Derrick is very good at it too but Beasley looks just special

so with that being said like someone mentioned KLove is an allstar and alltime great rebounder but he still has some holes in this game and i wouldn't be THAT sure on the two combo's will be traded soon

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Repost too many typos last time.

Ok he would get 20 and 10 on a bad team a lot of players could do really well on a bad team. Look at David Ly he was putting up gaudy numbers with the Knicks. What happen now that he is with a decent team? Yeah Beasly put up crazy numbers in college so did a bunch of people. Some players can't translate there game to the NBA.. Rookie year and sophomore he was playing against back ups. The Heats wanted him to play in the paint he still stayed away from it. Also this is what they get from the Second overall pick ? It's not like he didnt get chances teams and coaches have tried all ways to make it work and they prolly again cant figure how. Perfect Size if you wanted the shortest and lightes starting PF.

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How many teams in the lottery

How many teams in the lottery had a guy average 20 and 10 for them last year?

And Beasley started 19 games during his rookie year while he was still 19 years old and put up very good numbers for a 19 year old rookie playing 24 MPG on a playoff team.

The Heat made the decision to move Beasley to a SF his sophomore year because they didn't have a legit starting SF and Udonis Haslem was their starting PF. Beasley actually not only started all the 78 games he played in during his 2nd year the 78 games he started in actually lead the team. Beasly was the Heats 2nd leading scorer leading his 2nd year behind Wade who averaged 27. Beasly was also second on the team in field goes made, foul shots made, minutes, and rebounds. And the Heat finished 47-35 that year with Wade and Beasley as their 2nd best player and went on to lose to the Celtics in the playoffs.

Beasley was 21 at the time and obviously still getting much better. Theres no reason not to believe that if the Heats only option after that season was to build a future around Wade and Beasley that he would of continued to grow in that role beside Wade.

And Beasley didn't just put up big numbers in college he completely dominated his freshman year averaging 26 and 12 leading the nation in rebounds. Imagine if Perry Jones or Barnes would of came close to them numbers as a freshmen the kind of hype they would of got.

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I dont really see the

Besides being tweeners I dont really see the similarities....

Beasley is more offensively talented

I think williams has better intangibles and relies on his athletcism more.....

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Beasley's a poor man's melo, big and skilled SF, able to grab 7-8 rebs per(harder with skinny love).

There's only one D12 in this league, so he's a SF for life.

A year ago, november and december, B-easy, 23 pts 6 boards 48% FG, 42% behind the arc, 77% FT, then a slump till the end of the year.

23-6 seems very likely in the short term at teh SF spot.

Williams is a mismatch, stretch 4, but a PF even if he has the same size without shoes, high heels makes difference.

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Keep them both.

Let me say first, I am very excited for Derrick Williams. Regardless if he's a 3 or 4, that guy can ball!

Now, it's way too early to compare both players. We've only had a week of training camp and one preseason game. Seriously, wait until the guy plays his first game or 30. The biggest difference between Williams and Beasley is their maturity levels on and off the court. It's not crazy to think with some time under Adelman, he could evolve into a real adult. An adult does things that wins games like play defense, hustle, pass the ball and knows when it's appropriate to hit the Ganj. Crazy right? He has elite ball skills... he just needs a push in the right direction. The best part about this is the Wolves finally have a great foundation. So if they were to give him more time and it doesn't pan out, you still have Williams. Isn't that a risk we should take on Beasley? This is like David Ortiz all over again... except the Twins gave him a lot of time.

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In their game against the

In their game against the Bucks they had love at the 5, Williams playing 4, Wes and Beasely switching in and out at the 3, JJ at the 2, and Rubio playing point and they opened up that big lead against them. I don't think its out of the question for Adelman to play that lineup and just look to outscore guys and rely on their back court to keep the guards from going off.. Granted there will be just about no interior defense but their perimeter would be good with Wes and Rubio covering their two better players. I honestly think this team as is could win at least half their games. If the Wolves are going to trade Beasely I would say wait till the trade deadline and see how their team looks then, if they need more defense a Beasely for Emeka Okafor trade wouldn't be too bad I think.

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In college, I felt they

In college, I felt they weren't very similar at all. Playing PF and sometimes C in college, Beasley was more willing to bang down low, and was tremendous at creating shots around the rim, especially off offensive rebounds. He'd still step out and shoot 3's but he was a much different player in college. As we all know, he doesn't play like that anymore as he has settled into an NBA small forward position.

I don't think Derrick Williams shooting 4 3's and not really rebounding in his first pre-season game is any reason to jump to conclusions. So much of his game in college was based on him getting to the FT line, I'd imagine he'll still be aggressive in the paint when he gets to the NBA. It's be a shame if he fell in love with his 3 point shot, but again it's a possibility.

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you don't trade any of them

you don't trade any of them unless some awsome trade comes thru. i picture the lineup with barea-mathews-williams-beasley-love can cause havoc in a fast paced offense. book it. the league is runnning out of big center, this line up with rubio can cause some noiise

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