Will Struggling in Summer League cause Evan Turner to lose Confidence?
After a being name college basketball Player of the Year Evan Turner was mentioned as the possible number 1 overall pick..Folks in Philly were comparing him to Scottie Pippen & Grant Hill..In the weeks leading up to the draft new 76'ers coach Doug Collins said the starting shooting guard spot was Turner's to lose..But after he struggled in summer league..All the talk about Turner replacing Iverson as the face of the franchise all but disappeared..So far in training camp Andre Iguodala is starting at shooting guard and Thad Young starts at small forward..And Turner is coming off the bench...Collins said in college Turner had the ball in his hand 94% of the time..And starting point guard Holiday also works best with the ball in his hands..Collins doesn't think Turner can come off screens and make a jumper..Using screens is something Collins also mentioned might be a problem and Turner hasn't learned that part of the game yet..It became clear that Turner has a long way to go after he struggled in summer league..He averaged only 9 points on 33% shooting from the field..Even Turner admits he got his butt kicked in summer league..Collins doesn't believe this will be the worst thing in the long run...Turner has the skills to be a very good player in this league..But it takes time...But i believe he's going to be alright...
one of the most concerning things for me about his summer play was that he really had to work hard just to get by guys off the dribble and get into the lane and even then he rarely got good seperation. When breaking guys down off the dribble and being someone who can innitiate offense is your strength, then struggling in that regard in summer league is not a very god sign. BUt its early so lets wait and see. I also read whre collins says he will come off the bench becasue he feel he fits better with lou williams becasue lou is a scorer and turner can have the ball in his hands more then he would playing alongside holiday. Speaking of holiday, both doug collins and iguodala said he could be a top 5 pg next season.
I juss think it shows how much lacking a jumpshot can handcuff your game ecspecially when u dont have blow-by speed like a Rondo or Westbrook. Evan Turner can still be a stud i think but having a jumper 2 balance out his game is a must.
Collins and Iguodala must be high because there's no way Holiday will jump into top five status this season.
I hate to take SL too seriously, but Turner did struggle pretty badly. His body language was awful too. I think he'll get it together, but I don't think he's as much of a lock to be a great player as people think.
Turner is a bad fit for philly because they have a point guard in Holiday who needs the ball in his hands and a sg in Andre who is most effective with the ball in his hand. Turner was effective in college, but he was effective because he dominated the ball most of the game. Turner is not a good shooter, and not overly athletic. He was great for college, but in Philly his game will suffer, until a team is willing to let him dominate the ball again. Even if turner learns to shoot, i dont see him as having as big of an impact as he did with the ball in his hands. He was a good scorer for O'State, but also there best playmaker/passer. Philly probably should have grabbed Favors or Cousins. I dont think turner's ceiling is that high unless you give him control of the team. Summer league doesn't mean anything but he looked terrible. Not anything like a number 2 pick. If you didnt know who Turner was, you would have thought he was Journey man trying to make a team.
I get the feeling that Turner needs to be in a system and know it really well to thrive; there's a reason it took him three years of college to peak. This might account for his summer league play; with a full training camp behind him I feel he'll be better than he showed in the SL and will progress as he gets more and more comfortable in Collins' system. That said, he really doesn't strike me as a franchise player at all, more of a 2nd/3rd option - bit like Iggy come to think of it...
ya i dont think turner is a number 1 option kind of guy either. and sgree that him and iguodala are similar in ways. and i think that is what philly needs to decide on. we need to get rid of one of the 3 in thad young, iguodala, and evan turner. turner is a 2, iguodala is a 2 or 3 and young is a 3. i think if philly could convince melo to sign an extension in philly we could trade turner, kapono, lou williams and draft picks for melo. but as of right now there is kind of a logjam at the 2 and 3. and i agree the sixer should have taken cousins.
I'm one of the biggest Evan Turner' fans their is because I love Ohio State but I WAS SCREAMING AT EVERYBODY WE SHOULD TAKE COUSINS. Cousins would of been a steal at the 2nd pick thats how good I think he can be.
With that said you guys are looking way too much into the stats at the summer league.
You people are forgetting that Evan Turner didn't have to go thru that vigorous work out schedule that a lot of the other prospects had to go too. Only two teams worked Turner out and Philly barely had the kid to anything but take jump shots, which he for the most part made hence the reason the only other people they worked out were Favors and Cousins and still drafted Turner.
Turner went into the summer league out of shape from not having to workout and resting during most of the draft process. When you legs arent under you thats what happens. Not only that he played on a team with Jrue Holiday who was the MVP and lead the league in points and assists. and Jodie Meeks who was one fire. Turner thru all that still managed to averaged 9 7 rebounds, and 5 assists.
Turner proved in the summer league he can rebound at this level and can make plays. His court vision is uncanny a long with his passing ability. Turner also settled for jump shots too often because he was able to get them off whenever he wanted. If you watch his summer league games Turner showed his pull up jumper ability will immediatley transfer to the next level.
Yeah Tuner only shot 33% but you know who else shot bad? John Wall. Wall shot worse then Turner in the SL but nobody is saying he will bust. If Turner had the ball in his hands throughout the Summer League he would of no doubt put up averaged of closer to 18 and 8 assists. If not more. But he was on a team with established scorers in Jrue, Meeks, and Speights limiting his shots.
Turner has since lost 10 pounds and looks quicker then he ever was. Collins brought in Reggie Miller yesterday to talk specifically to Turner and Iggy about being aggressive and how to come off screens.
I heard what Collins said about Turner being a better playmaker then scorer but then I watched the practice. Turner was curling off screens quickly and knocking down mid range jumpers with ease. He already looks to have the best mid range game of any guard on the team. And is picking up the offense as fast as anybody. I'm not really sure why Collins' said that because if you watch the Training Camp Turner is doing fine.
Remember at this point Brandon Roy was going into his senior year of college instead of the pros. I still think Turner can have a Brandon Roy like impact but our current roster make up won't do anything but make that harder, so it will be all the more impressive when Turner does it. And Jrue Holiday is something special.
I don't see Turner staying in Philly long...to me he is purely a point guard and they of course have Holiday who will be great in 2-3 years just not a good fit in my opinion.
me and my friend were debating on how good turner would be and i thought he had star potential and my friend said hell be a mediocore player because he lacks foot speed and quickness and after watching summer league my friend was bang on. If your not even close to the man on a SL team how can you contribute in the L. And the thing that bugs me a bit to is he seems to be a finished product and he is 21 turning 22 soon i believe where as one and done players there 18/19 turning 19/20 so there is still lotsa room to grow in the L. i agree completely w/ mr.19 that they shoulda took cousins
Collins and Iggy told the media that Holiday is a top 5 point guard..
I dont even think Holiday will be among the top 10 point guards in the league...
I bet in Collins and Iggy's mind they dont think he's a top 10 point guard either.....
oh i agree by all means and im a huge holiday fan. No way is he ready to be talked about top 5...yet.
Collins said next year he thinks Holiday will be a top 5 point guard, not this upcoming season. I don't know about top 5 but He can be a top 15 PG this year and a top 10 PG next year. And I think he will be a top 5 PG in the East next year. Holiday has already proven he is one of the best on ball defenders in the league. And he was the youngest player in the league last year. He shut down a few PG's at the end of the season namely Westbrook he made got 1-11 from the field and Westbrook is one of the hardest people to guard in the world with the ball in his hands.
His offensive game reminds me a lot of Deron Williams because he uses his size to his advantage, has a great feel for the game, and his improved 3 ball will keep the D honest. But he also reminds me a lot of Rondo, especially on defense. Holiday is a pest on defense and will stay in your face the whole way up court if you can make it past half court on him. The big difference between him and Rondo is Holiday is a lot bigger, just as quick, and already is a better scorer then Rondo every will be.
Iggy said he Holiday reminds him of a Young Gary Payton. All these comparisons are legit even if they are 2 years ahead of their time. Remember Holiday was the youngest player in the league last year and still played lock down defense on the top guards. And his offense got even better he averaged like 12 and 8 as a starter in March. And if you listen to him talk you know he got what it takes to run a team and to be a leader.
What's going to really separate Holiday from a growing list of young PG's with potential is his defense and you will see a lot of what I'm talking about this year. Holiday can hold his own against any guard in the league on defense.
"The big difference between him and Rondo is Holiday is a lot bigger, just as quick, and already is a better scorer then Rondo every will be."
I agree with almost everything you guys are saying, but Jrue Holiday is not "just as quick" or "already a better scorer" than Rajon Rondo.
I dun think you realize how quick Holiday is....I'm not saying he has his end to end speed but their lateral quickness is pretty close, and Rondo averaged a career high 13 points last year, I think Holiday will get that this year. And Rondo career high in scoring is 31 points in one game. Holiday will almost certainly get more in one game this year considering last year he scored 25 points as high season high. It took Rondo 3 years to get that many points in one game. Not to mention Holiday is already a better shooter then Rondo.
And heres the big one. Holiday made 20 more 3's last year then Rondo has made in his whole career. That's an interesting stat to me.
Rondo is on a totally different level than Holiday at every aspect of quickness.There is no argument...
Also, him making 20 more 3's than Rondo just shows he's a better 3-point shooter. Not that he's a better scorer. Holiday getting 13 ppg next year in Philly is different than Rondo getting 13 ppg. Rondo plays with Paul Pierce, Ray Allen, and Kevin Garnett. Jrue Holiday plays with Andre Iguodala, Thaddeus Young, and Lou Williams. And you have to factor in the fact that Rondo could probably score around 17 or 18 ppg on a team without high-level scorers on his team (ie Philadelphia).