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will knicks regret the david lee trade?

I never really understood why give up their best player from a year ago in david lee. They got turiaf, anthony randolph and kelanna azubuike in return. Turiaf and azubuike are solid role players, but those are the type of guys that can be easily gotten any off season on the free agent market. So basically it comes down to whether or not anthony randolph suddenly emerges with all the talent people know he has.

Im not really buying this as a good move for the knicks. WHy would randolph have been held back in golden state? And people question whether or not lee and amare could co-exist, but why not? Lee played center last year, everyone knows the knicks want to run and outscore people and defense isnt their biggest priority. What do you guys think?


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Correct me if I'm wrong, but New York set their sights on getting a free agent, maybe lure 2 free agents to max contracts. New York was going after Stoudemire, Bosh and Boozer all who play the PF position. Amare is better at the PF position, we all know Bosh can't play C and he didn't want to play that position. I think David Lee said numerous times that he doesn't want to play centre and the Knicks were reluctant to give him a contract extension. So Lee was good as gone in that scenario. Lee is a good player, but I don't think the Knicks wanted to give him that kind of money and they wanted to spend it somewhere else.

Why would Randolph be held back in Golden State? Well he was injured that year and someone on this site posted an article way on this site saying the Nelson didn't want to play the younger players. He was also in Don Nelson's dog house. He was still raw in the league and maybe he was able to develop himself over the past summer and maybe the Knicks saw that or they are taking a risk.

sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/writers/arash_markazi/10/13/randolph.warriors/index.html

Here is the link to the article talking about Randolph was once in Nelson's doghouse but he eventually got out of it and then he got injured.

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I thought i was the only 1

I thought i was the only 1 that felt that way..They'll miss David Lee's tenacity ..some people say after getting Amare they didnt need Lee..but Lee could play anywhere in the frontcourt..becuz he's not a post player..he's more of a floater...They could've keep him and still signed Amare & Felton....Then i'll say they might've been a 6 or 7 seed..but now i still expect them to battle for that final playoff spot...

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He CANNOT play center, just

He CANNOT play center, just cuz he did doesn't mean he can. He inflated his offensive numbers playing out of position and was singlehandedly the worst defender in the NBA because he couldn't hold his own at that spot. I love how the second knick players leave the knicks their value among fans skyrockets.

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ok um idk how u can say for

bk baller- um idk how u can say for certainty that david lee is the worsst defender in the league? do u know the PG for the pheonix suns? yeh steve nash, he is by far the worst defender in the league.

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lee

pretty much knew he was a rental last year wen he only got the one year deal

i david lees gf at the last game of the season at msg last vs the wizards

i sat right infront of her and allan houston and my frind and i asked her if davud lee was going to stay she was reluctent to say yes, and said we hope so.

so from that point on i kinda knew lee was gone. NY loved how he played the game and if amare was a center we wud love to keep dlee we will allways apreciate him

seeing how everyone else did with trading there best players, we did the best job by far

we get a center that hustles on both sides a solid gaurd that can hit 3s and play D

and a potential allstar but that P word gets a lot of people fired so well see how this trades works out at the end of the year

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They needed a Center,PG, and

They needed a Center,PG, and SG. Randolph is their SF and Amare is the PF, Raymond Felton at PG is garbage....They are in trouble ..........................Gallinari and Randolph play basically the same position, the Russian cat is unproven in the NBA, and they have no bench ....the Knicks are in trouble.......

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Not the worst defensive

Not the worst defensive player but he wasn't that good. More importantly he wasn't a shot blocker and to get Turiaf, Randolph and Azubuike for him instead of letting him walk for nothing was a steal. I don't think Lee at 6'9" is your long term answer at C, his stats were a lil inflated as he quicker than 7 footers and scored on them easily at times. Some NBA players had nothing but good things to say about his game like Shaq, Duncan and some on the Lakers. He def. deserved to be an All Star but its doubtful he'll ever be good enough to be on an All NBA team making him overpaid. Anthony Randolph hasn't even played enough games to determine what kind of player he's going to be 2 yrs and less than 100 games in the league doesn't decide how good or bad you are. Also since he's on a rookie contract its not much of a risk. Turiaf adds some much needed size to the front court and Azubuike is a decent shooter something the Knicks lacked at SG last year. Most ppl complain the Knicks don't play much defense so when Harrington and Lee two of their worst defenders are moved why would they regret that. They weren't even close to a .500 team with them why overpay to keep them. I wonder how many Knicks games some of you actually watched.

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dazeone

Either your clueless when it comes to the NBA or your a Knicks hater.

They needed a Center,PG, and SG. Randolph is their SF and Amare is the PF, Raymond Felton at PG is garbage....They are in trouble ..........................Gallinari and Randolph play basically the same position, the Russian cat is unproven in the NBA, and they have no bench ....the Knicks are in trouble.......

PG you have Felton confused with Duhon who might've been the worst PG in the league last year. At Center Lee was undersized they have a legit 7 footer in Mozgov and Turiaf who has some decent size. Amare can plaly some C as well also Randolph isn't a SF he's 6'11" and doesn't shoot the 3 he's a PF/C. At SG they have Chandler, Azubuike, Roger Mason all 3 better offensive players than Larry Hughes. No bench seriously with Douglas, Mason, Randolph, Mozgoz, Walker, Azubuike or Chandler, Rautins, Fields they actually have some talent.

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I didn't like the move at

I didn't like the move at first either and thought they would of benefited better from having Amare play Center and Lee PF.

Lee put up all star numbers last year playing center but that was on offense and a product of being the only rebounder on the team. On defense the Knicks don't have a shot at winning in this league if Lee is your starting center. He's just not big or long enough to guard other centers. They Knicks were the worse team in the league in opposing teams' ppg. A lot of that was because Lee can not protect the rim. Turiaf will be a better fit on that current team now because Turiaf can protect the rim.

I personally feel like New York made out on that trade. They got 3 players that fit their system very well. Azuibuke is going to score a ton of points for New York. Turiaf will provide an interior presence they lacked last year. And Randolph will play all over the court. D'Antoni was saying that Randolph may be the starting center come opening day.

So all in all I thought it was a good move for New York plus they just did not want to pay Lee that kind of money.

And a condition of Amare signing in New York was that he would play Power Forward not center.

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Its not Lees fault he was

Its not Lees fault he was atrocious defensively... he was playing out of position. Hes one of my favorite players, but he can't play center for the NY Knicks. And he was one of the worst, hands down, it was a lay up line in the paint for opponents.

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They'll miss David Lee

They'll miss David Lee rebounding he was the best rebounder they've have in a really long time, well since they traded Zach Randolph. As far as offence goes, Amire is a more well rounded/polish offence player, rebounder thats a diffirent story. To me the only thing they'll really miss from Lee is his constant rebounding/hustling night in and night out. David Lee never took the Knicks team over the top even in a weak Eastern Conference, when you're a big fish in a small pond it's not that hard to shine. I'm not trying to down play his skills and I understand you need tallent around you especilly at PG.

I am curious to see what/how Lee will do in GS in the up coming season. Now that Nelson is gone, and I don't know why that took so long, what will be the identity of the team? Will Lee emerge as a team leade? And with so many players possessing simillar skills where will he fit in? Finally, will he still but up his numbers playing in a better more competitive top to bottom Western Conference.

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David Lee got paid!

The Knicks did not want that big contract on their books (especially because they were still aiming for bosh and lebron at that time). I don't think anyone had doubts about Lee's ability as a player, just didn't want to pay him that much and so instead they traded him for potential and depth. Not a bad move considering they got Amare and lots of cap space (hindsight is 20/20).

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Anthony Randolph will blosson

Anthony Randolph will blosson into a 15-10 guy in the Knicks system. Mark my word

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They gambled and they lost... for now.

They gambled and they lost... for now. If they are able to sign Melo and maybe Tony Parker after this season then the move would turn out genius. Those signings would put them into the top 4 again in the East.

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Thats a Big IF^^^

Melo and Parker in NY...I don't see it really...what if Amare goes down with an injury and the young guys aren't has good as they've been telling us they are in NY...

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whoever thinks the Knicks

whoever thinks the Knicks haven't improved drastically are crazy. Amare is a much better player, leader, winner than Lee which is exactly what this team needs. He gives this lost team a face, an identity and someone thats going to push these young guys. It was evident when they showed knicks training camp last night that he really has this roster listening. Raymond Felton is also a tough proven winner (at the collegiate level and overachieving with that no name team in charlotte) and also possesses leadership qualities you want from your PG (something they probably havent had since Charlie Ward in the late 90s). He is also a defensive stud, while Duhon with his 4ppg and 5 assist average couldn't defend a traffic cone... getting beat off the dribble and leaving the undersized Lee helpless in the paint.

I am not here to defend D'Antonis defense but people always forget to factor in pace. In Phoenix his teams were always only slightly below average in defensive efficiency and thats with an offensive minded roster. Last year the roster was just not equipped to stop ANYONE. Their only potential shot blocking presence was Jared Jeffries (and he couldn't block shots)... now they have added Amare, Randolph, Turiaf, Mozgov etc. Azibukee was one of the best defenders on GS, Roger Mason learned under pop to be a very solid defender, Douglas is one of the best young defensive guards in the NBA.

Gallo and Chandler were the Knicks 2nd and 3rd best players (dont believe the harrington hype, he only "got his"), and were also probably the best defenders outside of douglas (yes Gallo lacks athletitcism but acutally works hard on defense and isnt a liability like people assume).

So what I am saying is that the Knicks defensive EFFICIENCY (which is what matters not points scored against) should not be in the bottom 10 next year because almost every player on their roster CAN defend, that was not the case last year.

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What was so ba about losing

What was so ba about losing David Lee for what we got? The Knicks did the right thing, trading a hot commodity (a fringe all star who is skilled, but to me looked better in D'Antoni's system) for a guy who actually plays interior defense (Turiaf), a young guy with potential (Randolph), and a solid wing who can play some perimeter defense and hit an open jumper (Azibuike). It wasn't a bad deal and I actually like what we got in return. The Amare signing was a little steep because of desparation, but tell me, what exactly did we lose here? David Lee and Amare are essentially the same player offensively, except Stoudamire is more athletically gufted and Lee is the better Rebounder. Both men have about the same grasp of the pick and roll and they can hit an open jumper from about the top of the key. The Knicks made a real improvement this summer, plus not to mention they finally get the albatross of Eddy Curry's contractual and physical weight from off the roster, so they will be players in the FA market next year, regardless if Carmelo Anthony is involved or not. To me, the Knicks made at least a 13-15 game improvement with the moves they made this summer.

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LMAO at the guy who thinks

LMAO at the guy who thinks Nash is the worst defender in the league.

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Yeah he hasn't seen him guarding Dragic in training Camp...

Nash isn't a great defender and maybe not even a good defender but when you call him the worst,your clearly hating

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Raymond Felton isnt that good

Raymond Felton isnt that good to me, hes a weak defender and was the reason Charlotte got swept in the playoffs.

Stephen Jacksonwas the reason they made the playoffs this year, other years he was shooting in the 30s, and was part of the reason Charlotte sucked, they finally realized you dont give him too many shots but hes the kindve guy you dont want shooting much or elsae your not a playoff team.

I think Azubuike is very underrated.

Turiaf shouldnt be in the rotation of any team.

Randolph is oozing potentiol.

Better than letting David Lee walk.

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Randolph will be a bust...count on it..

he's out of shape and lazy...he's had all the chance in the world to become a solid player in the Warriors system and flopped hard...I pass on your New York Dicks

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