Will he ever be the same?
I like D Rose but have long thought his style of play would equal short career. Will he be the same player or will his whole game change?
Who knows, some people have had their entire career (Shaun Livingston, Greg Oden, Sam Bowie, Gilbert Arenas, Rashard Lewis, and many more) devastated by injuries. We don't know if that will affect his quickness or explosiveness. If it does, it could severely hinder his game.
I don't know why you think he'd have a short career. He gets hit alot but he also does an amazing job of completely avoiding contact on shots at the rim. Either way I'm not sure if he'll come back the same, but I hope he does.
I love D-Rose...but I see a lot of Steve Francis in him (just in terms of style of play, not character or anything) and if thats the case, his career may never be the same unfortunately. I think he can still be a very solid player regardless, but returning to that MVP form might be impossible.
He will definitely have to tweek his game, but I think he can still maintain an All-Star level of play. Rose's style of play before his injury was almost uncomfortable to watch. He would just cut and stop so hard, it is not unreasonable to say that type of play is unsustainbale for a career.
Rose will have to slow down his game, and seriously work on his jump shot. If he does that, he will be able to save his explosiveness for select plays and still be a great player. If he continues to relying on hard-cuts and crazy tear drops he will get hurt again.
Shaun Livingston - Ripped his entire knee apart
Greg Oden - Has problems with his articular cartilage, not his ligaments. Way more devastating injury when it's dealing with the stuff that covers the tip of your bones.
Sam Bowie - He dealt with broken legs and all types of injuries.
Gilbert Arenas - Tore his MCL, but kept returning too early.
Rashard Lewis - Problem with the cartilage in his knee and too much wear and tear over a long career.
Point is, Derrick Rose's injury doesn't compare to any of these guys. He tore a ligament. They'll replace the ligament easily. Next, it's all about strength. He'll be back close to 100%, but he'll probably start slow.
Athletically with Roses work ethic he can likely return to 90-95% at about the one year mark. 90% is still better then 99% of other NBA players but its not what it was. The last 5-10% could take up to another year to return... due to the mental part of the equation.
He'll have to relearn to be fearless when attacking and redevelop the type of unteachable explosiveness and instincts only he knows. Just being away from the game, you forget so much... so many of the little things that you used to do and how they went together to make you who you are. It takes awhile. It will be the hardest thing he's ever done.
Normally your moving without thinking. Your body is just there for you and it compliments everything your mind wants it to do. You need to sinc up both to regain your old form and its a patient process. No matter how hard you train, recovery dictates progress. You can only physically recover so much in one day or month. When he returns to training he won't even be able to dunk.
I'd say at 18 months he could be back to 100%. If he was in his 30's, probably never 100% again.
See Arenas, Gilbert.
He just needs to abandon that hop-step.
Hid soul game is explosiveness just like Griffin hurt the knee and look at Griffin. I like him but yes short. High flying. Steve Francis was high Flying hurt the knee not much fundamental there. So yeah Y2G
Well, said. You sound like someone who's had a knee injury.
Because he's explosive he has to have a short career? What about Westbrook? What about Wall? Why didn't it apply for Iverson?
The good news is, he's young (only 23), and therefore has a much higher chance to be 100% back to the way he used to be. And even if the surgery takes away a little bit of athleticism, he goes from, what, being arguably the top athlete in the NBA to like...a top 5-10 PG athlete? He'll be fine, he just needs to focus on being fully recovered and mentally ready to go sometime next year. Best of luck to him.
&$#%#&@! LOCKOUT!!!!!! If he isn't, what a shame. Can't blame either side, the players voted for that ridiculous schedule.
Indeed I did. When I was 27 I planted wrong (lazy) charging back on defense and drove my knee straight into the floor in reverse. A savage hyperextension. It sounded like metal gears and chains grinding when it happened. I had no idea a part of the human body could make noises like that. The knee remained locked in place for over 3 months due to swelling. I peg legged everywhere lol... once I could put any preasure on the thing. I had a lump the size of an orange right behind the Knee for six months... so even when i'd try to squat down, the ball of tissue would prevent it. I was concerned I might not ever walk normally again. I started light training at seven months after putting on 40 pounds. It was so depressing. I was soft and mushy. My mind still remembered what I used to do but I was a shell of what I was. 4 more months and I was feeling pretty good so I decided to go play ball. I couldn't even touch the rim. I'm just a bit under 6ft2. Prior to my injury I would block shots with one step and my elbow at rim level. I used to stand and dunk 2 handed cleanly. It took me another six months after my first time back to return to my former conditioning level. I also noticed I had forgot so many things. I'd get burned on a play and then I'd remember, I used to do this or that. On offense same thing. I needed to get my mind sharp again. Its a process, but anyone can be successful. Mind over matter. Don't quit. Trust that your healed and you will hold up. When your a kid you play and push yourself to the point you'd break something. When your older its extremely hard to push yourself to play that way because it feels like you actually will break. If you want that athleticsm back you have to ignore those doubts and just do it.
I did this because I loved basketball... and jumping high! I ate, slept and breathed it. I had no life outside of ball and work. I wonder if I was a millionaire and set for life... would I have been as motivated? Would I have had that drive to get all the way back? Keeping that WILL alive for over a year is very hard. To know that every training session will be just a bit harder then the previous one. It wears on you.
No doubt Rose WILL get it all back... eventually, but not every player can. The mental part matters more then the physical sometimes. Even with NBA trainers and technology available it just won't happen for some players. You have to want it SOOO bad.
I used Pistol Squats to rebuild and strengthen my knee's ligaments and tendons. Max vert was only about 38 on a good day but typically around 35inches. Not bad for a white guy but I also have bad genetics. I'm built to be fat, not an athlete. If I could do it, anyone can.
I could feel all of your pain reading that lol. You can always tell someone who's had a knee injury because they can describe it in such a personal way.
I'll never forget the day I tore my ACL... I was playing one on one with a teammate after practice and I had the ball at the left elbow of the 3PT line. I was a great athlete and jumping off of my left leg was my sh*t. I loved it. It was sooo easy for me to jump off of one leg and I'd been doing is since freshman year of high school when I first learned to dunk. I did a combination of jumpshoes and air alert, so I had about a 38-40 inch vertical. I had the ball rocking my defender to sleep already imagining myself going past him off of the burst move, going down the middle of the paint at an angle and just taking off off of one leg...
Well, I went past him and I took off, but he stay on my hip... He gave me a little nudge as I tried to dunk it with force and it caused me to go off balanced. I missed the dunk and ALL of my pressure came down on my left leg funny and I sware to G I felt something pop in and then pop back out. Like in my mind, I just saw images of my bone like popping out of my leg and back in or something. I'd NEVER felt anything like it.
I fell on the ground and just was like rolling around it pain. It hurt so bad I could barely even breathe. Like I was like blacking out. My leg was just throbbing... I could feel each throb like go through my entire body. The throbs were so bad I couldn't tell what I'd done. I didn't know if I'd broken my left or what. My wife (girlfriend at the time), played ball too and was crying because she'd never seen me in that type of pain.
To make a long story short, I've never really been the same since then. I've actually torn mine twice... I had surgery for the second time April of last year and I still can't even dunk yet. You're not even lying about it being depressing lol. I'm 6' 6" and usually around 210... I've gained about 25 lbs the last year. And having an office job really doesn't help. I keep telling myself I'll get back... As a kid, I always said I'd never grow up to be some old fat dude that couldn't hoop lol. I just have to get back motivated.
OMG Indy, the instant pain lol. So brutal. I saw Baron Davis smiling after his in this years playoffs. That dude is crazy tough. I went down like a sack of patatoes. Like I was shot. I even had a few man tears lol.
No doubt you'll get back if you love it... although you'll have to love it more then your wife lol.
The waiting part was the worst. Waiting to heal so I could start the long road back. I just told myself to enjoy the time off and start acting like a normal person. I drank beer, ate junk and watched lots of tv. Nothing I could do but accept it.
If your anything like me,... which you sound like you are, you'll be back to your old self. Just be patient. It won't happen over night. Don't rush it either. You'll have setbacks if you do. There's a natural time table you can't mess with no matter what you do or how hard you work. Baby steps.
NBA teams are using the hyper and cryo chambers to cheat nature. Since we don't have that... you gotta go the old fashioned way.
INB4 BOYWONDER STARTS GOING IN ON INDY lol.
Remember, Blake Griffin had a major knee injury and came back to be the most explosive player in the NBA. So the idea that Rose has no chance of regaining his athleticism isn't neccesarily accurate. If he continues to have injury problems on and off, sure, his career could be doomed in terms of being that franchise guy long term. But this one injury won't kill his hopes of being the guy he was before he went out.
^^A fractured patella and a torn ACL are not the same thing.
David West, Corey Brewer, Jamal Crawford, Tim Hardaway, Baron Davis, and Kyle Lowry all seemed to respond to it fine...
^^Never watched Tim Hardaway, but I heard that he wasn't the same after he tore his ACL, although he still put up pretty good production after. But the technology is more advanced now. A lot of the more recent people to their ACLs don't really rely on much athleticism, although it seems they've all fully recovered.
As long as he gets sound medical advice, and follows his rehab program to the letter he will be fine. He has a great work ethic. I tore my PCL and came back probably in better shape than I was in before the injury. One thing I can see, and a few others have mentioned it is that he might play slightly tentatively for a while because you are always pretty nervous going full throttle after a knee injury.