[TONYDABOSS77Participant]

41 pts, 8 rebs, 2 asts, 5 stls, 4 blks….

12-18 from the field, 2-5 from three, 15-19 from the stripe…..

Great game. This is why he’s the best player in this class. He’s not suppose to be a scorer, but he just dropped 40. He did a little of everything offensively. 

Please share your thoughts

 

 

 

 

 

[jwall1Participant]

 Just because he went for 41pt-8rb-2ast-5stl-4blk does not mean he is the best in his class. Marcus Smart went for a similar line earlier in the season against memphis (39pt-4reb-4ast-5stl-2blk) and just because he went for that line does not make him the best in his class. It is definitely impressive of Wiggins, but IMO his 19 free throw attempts really should have been more like 12-14 ish (bad calls). With all the hype Wiggins has gotten he needed this game, so props to him. I really do not see this significantly boosting his draft stock, but thats largely in part to how good this draft class is. 

[mikeyvthedonParticipant]

I mean, Julius Randle can go 1-7 against South Carolina and still gets a "Great player" at the start of your description of his performance. Wiggins goes for 41 and we get a "Just because he (had an awesome game) does not mean he is the best in his class" without the OP even bringing that up. It is fine if you do not like him, but I think there may either be some sour grapes or something else going on here. I remember you posting that he was "overrated so far" after his first college game! Game 1!

Yes, he had insane expectations going into college. He was called the "best prospect since LeBron James" (as was Jabari Parker, mind you) and that he has taken his lumps. Still has played a ridiculously hard schedule, than in a really deep conference that he has to be amongst the favorites for Player of the Year in said conference. He has led his team in scoring, defended the other teams top offensive option consistently and usually pretty well. All on a team returning 0 starters and getting incredibly inconsistent PG play. Not saying that your boy Randle was not in a tough situation as well and that Parker had to play 4/5 the entire season, but he has at the very least been "pretty good".

He did get some calls today. So he should have maybe had 35 instead of 41. You saying "he needed this game" just seems pretty outrageous. What was he supposed to do? Go up to the referree and tell him he made the wrong call? Did what he had to do and had a great game. If he had gotten 20 points and the win, I am guessing none of this even comes up. Just find it really interesting that this is your reaction and have noticed a pattern of slight favoritism to the school "J-Wall" went to. That is fine, just kind of interested in where you think Andrew Wiggins draft stock is? Because I think he has never really moved much lower than 3 on most peoples boards and this was just an idea of what he can possibly bring to the table. Saying "he needed this" though? I think he had not done too badly before this.

[jwall1Participant]

Its not about the stats. Yes Randle went 1-7 against SC, but he did alot of other things really well but he made big plays down the stretch and his attitude and motor were relentless. The OP stated Wiggins’ state line, and then went on to state he was the "best player in this class," so his statline today was his justification for his claim. Of the top prospects (Randle, Parker, Embiid) he has been the most inconsistent player. If you have seen some of my posts obviously I am not a fan of Wiggins, but that does not mean I dislike him. I am not saying Wiggins has been bad, he has been good, but he has been nowhere near as good as he was projected to be before the season. He has been good defensively (and yes, better than Jabari Parker), but his defense is still way overblown. Just take for example the matchup between he and Smart last week. Smart is 6’4 and dominated that matchup on both ends. If Wiggins is as good of a defender as he is made out to be he should have won the defensive matchup against Smart. Wiggins has had relatively easy defensive assignments this year in the exception of a few guys, so I have yet to see what makes him such a great defensive player. My biggest issue with Wiggins is his tendency to drift throughout games. His attitude today was great, but in too many of KU’s games this year he has been almost nonexistent and disinterested through periods of games. You do not see that attitude from Embiid, Smart, Randle, or Parker…

 

And as far as his draft stock. I think he could definitely be justified as going anywhere from 1-5. Is he a top 3 lock? Most likely but Smart and Randle IMO have a bigger shot at going before Wiggins than most believe. 

 

 

[HaleParticipant]

There is no chance Smart goes before Wiggins. They aren’t even on the same tier as prospects. You can’t say you don’t dislike Wiggins and come up with a statement like that. I’d be shocked if Wiggins fell past 2 and fully expect him to go #1 when it’s all said and done.

[HaleParticipant]

There is no chance Smart goes before Wiggins. They aren’t even on the same tier as prospects. You can’t say you don’t dislike Wiggins and come up with a statement like that. I’d be shocked if Wiggins fell past 2 and fully expect him to go #1 when it’s all said and done.

[mikeyvthedonParticipant]

Well, I flat out disagree with a lot of things you have said. Wiggins has been more inconsistent that Julius Randle AND Joel Embiid? Really? Plus, the "easy defensive assignments" thing just is proof that you more than likely have only watched a handful of Kansas games this season. Wiggins has been guarding 1-3 all season and seeing that Naadir Tharpe and Wayne Selden are pretty damn poor defenders, he usually is asked to guard the other teams top perimeter option.

The hilarious thing about you going on about you not seeing what has made him a great defensive player is harping on the Marcus Smart match-up. You know that Marcus is a PG and Wiggins is a SF, right? Plus, Wiggins was mostly guarding Markel Brown for the game. Marcus was an absolute non-factor in the 1st half. He had a fantastic 2nd half, at home, than he "dominated the match-up"? Please!

That is absolutely making way more out of one game that needs to be made. Marcus Smart won the match-up and was great down the stretch, but they were playing for their season and their main guys played great. The thing is, were Marcus Smart and Andrew Wiggins really personally matched-up for most of the game? I don’t think so. Plus, Marcus Smart is indeed a really strong, physical defender. He gave Ben McLemore fits last year. Yet, Andrew Wiggins going 5-16 means he gets killed, and Julius Randle going 1-7 against SOUTH CAROLINA means he is a "Great Player", who had the defense "collapse on him"? Talk about a double standard.

Man, Wiggins has been inconsistent at times, though he for the most part has been a game changer for a young team that has played a RIDICULOUS schedule. He has played in a deeper conference than either Parker or Randle, plus one filled with a lot of talent on the perimeter. To act like he has not shown a lot of potential as a scorer and perimeter defender is just not really paying attention to what is going on. No, he has not been Carmelo, Durant or Beasley in the numbers department. Just do not act like he has not had some monster games against good teams, a huge game with fantastic effort today and that he has not been the best player on the best team in the Big 12. You can even like Embiid more as a NBA prospect, but Wiggins has been better on a game by game basis, no doubt.

If you want to use Marcus Smart "dominat(ing) the match-up on both ends" to say he should go before Wiggins, than go for it. Tyrus Thomas dominated his match-up in the NCAA Tournament against LaMarcus Aldridge, how did that turn out? You take it as a body of work, not a single game. You see their tools and strengths, how they translate to the next level and use that. Also, for as much as "it(‘s) not about stats", than I certainly think that plays in Wiggins favor more than most. He has shown more NBA translation to me than your boy Julius. Who by the way, have not loved the attitude I have seen. Julius tries hard, just am not crazy about what I have seen from him in that department. Plus, his inconsistency against a conference that may only have one NCAA bid? Well, am sure you will point to the stats to help you justify that……

 

[jwall1Participant]

 We can go back and forth on this all day. Smart did dominate the match up, as Smart was defending Wiggins practically all night and Wiggins was defending him for a good portion of the game.  It is clear you are part of the Wiggins bandwagon that fluctuates with each game depending on how he plays. I am not even trying to say Smart and Randle are better prospects than Wiggins, I was just saying that I do not think the difference is as big as people make it out to be. No point in writing an big essay/get upset in response to my post lol, all of these guys are good prospects and in the end all of them should be good NBA players.

[mikeyvthedonParticipant]

It is great that you know my MO. Dude, I am absolutely on the Wiggins bandwagon, the thing is, I never left no matter how bad things got. In terms of NBA prospects, doing that is not a good way to go. I just found it interesting that you are really quick to criticize Wiggins yet use baby steps with Julius. I guess the perceived "Wiggins bandwagon" may be a part of it, though if you do know my posts, you will know that I have been an ardent defender of Wiggins.

I think Julius Randle is a good player as well, though I think you were majorly giving him the benefit of the doubt in many posts I have seen. To harp on Wiggins getting "dominated" by Smart in their match-up, is that really a much worse sign than Julius not dominating against a small South Carolina front line? Where he never stretched the floor if they were collapsing on him in the paint?

Was just a bit taken aback that the guy who gives Julius Randle props for killing Ole Miss, starts off with a "Great player" after a 1-7 on the Gamecocks goes off on Wiggins about "Marcus Smart dominating their match-up" and than goes on about how he is not the best prospect without saying who is better and why this might be. When someone says someone is not something, I like to know who is. When someone harps on one player over another, I kind of notice this as well. Both things happened, hence my responses to your post.

Also, someone having a different opinion than you does not mean they are upset. The only thing I noticed was a possible double standard based on the past posts I have seen from you around this topic. Did not necessarily agree with everything that went into your assessment. Just did not agree with your original statement as fact and if you are going to say someone is not the best or their draft standing is not moving, than give the players who are rather than the "this draft is deep" generalization. Otherwise, it might like you have an agenda, lol.

[mikeyvthedonParticipant]

It is great that you know my MO. Dude, I am absolutely on the Wiggins bandwagon, the thing is, I never left no matter how bad things got. In terms of NBA prospects, doing that is not a good way to go. I just found it interesting that you are really quick to criticize Wiggins yet use baby steps with Julius. I guess the perceived "Wiggins bandwagon" may be a part of it, though if you do know my posts, you will know that I have been an ardent defender of Wiggins.

I think Julius Randle is a good player as well, though I think you were majorly giving him the benefit of the doubt in many posts I have seen. To harp on Wiggins getting "dominated" by Smart in their match-up, is that really a much worse sign than Julius not dominating against a small South Carolina front line? Where he never stretched the floor if they were collapsing on him in the paint?

Was just a bit taken aback that the guy who gives Julius Randle props for killing Ole Miss, starts off with a "Great player" after a 1-7 on the Gamecocks goes off on Wiggins about "Marcus Smart dominating their match-up" and than goes on about how he is not the best prospect without saying who is better and why this might be. When someone says someone is not something, I like to know who is. When someone harps on one player over another, I kind of notice this as well. Both things happened, hence my responses to your post.

Also, someone having a different opinion than you does not mean they are upset. The only thing I noticed was a possible double standard based on the past posts I have seen from you around this topic. Did not necessarily agree with everything that went into your assessment. Just did not agree with your original statement as fact and if you are going to say someone is not the best or their draft standing is not moving, than give the players who are rather than the "this draft is deep" generalization. Otherwise, it might like you have an agenda, lol.

[jwall1Participant]

 We can go back and forth on this all day. Smart did dominate the match up, as Smart was defending Wiggins practically all night and Wiggins was defending him for a good portion of the game.  It is clear you are part of the Wiggins bandwagon that fluctuates with each game depending on how he plays. I am not even trying to say Smart and Randle are better prospects than Wiggins, I was just saying that I do not think the difference is as big as people make it out to be. No point in writing an big essay/get upset in response to my post lol, all of these guys are good prospects and in the end all of them should be good NBA players.

[mikeyvthedonParticipant]

Well, I flat out disagree with a lot of things you have said. Wiggins has been more inconsistent that Julius Randle AND Joel Embiid? Really? Plus, the "easy defensive assignments" thing just is proof that you more than likely have only watched a handful of Kansas games this season. Wiggins has been guarding 1-3 all season and seeing that Naadir Tharpe and Wayne Selden are pretty damn poor defenders, he usually is asked to guard the other teams top perimeter option.

The hilarious thing about you going on about you not seeing what has made him a great defensive player is harping on the Marcus Smart match-up. You know that Marcus is a PG and Wiggins is a SF, right? Plus, Wiggins was mostly guarding Markel Brown for the game. Marcus was an absolute non-factor in the 1st half. He had a fantastic 2nd half, at home, than he "dominated the match-up"? Please!

That is absolutely making way more out of one game that needs to be made. Marcus Smart won the match-up and was great down the stretch, but they were playing for their season and their main guys played great. The thing is, were Marcus Smart and Andrew Wiggins really personally matched-up for most of the game? I don’t think so. Plus, Marcus Smart is indeed a really strong, physical defender. He gave Ben McLemore fits last year. Yet, Andrew Wiggins going 5-16 means he gets killed, and Julius Randle going 1-7 against SOUTH CAROLINA means he is a "Great Player", who had the defense "collapse on him"? Talk about a double standard.

Man, Wiggins has been inconsistent at times, though he for the most part has been a game changer for a young team that has played a RIDICULOUS schedule. He has played in a deeper conference than either Parker or Randle, plus one filled with a lot of talent on the perimeter. To act like he has not shown a lot of potential as a scorer and perimeter defender is just not really paying attention to what is going on. No, he has not been Carmelo, Durant or Beasley in the numbers department. Just do not act like he has not had some monster games against good teams, a huge game with fantastic effort today and that he has not been the best player on the best team in the Big 12. You can even like Embiid more as a NBA prospect, but Wiggins has been better on a game by game basis, no doubt.

If you want to use Marcus Smart "dominat(ing) the match-up on both ends" to say he should go before Wiggins, than go for it. Tyrus Thomas dominated his match-up in the NCAA Tournament against LaMarcus Aldridge, how did that turn out? You take it as a body of work, not a single game. You see their tools and strengths, how they translate to the next level and use that. Also, for as much as "it(‘s) not about stats", than I certainly think that plays in Wiggins favor more than most. He has shown more NBA translation to me than your boy Julius. Who by the way, have not loved the attitude I have seen. Julius tries hard, just am not crazy about what I have seen from him in that department. Plus, his inconsistency against a conference that may only have one NCAA bid? Well, am sure you will point to the stats to help you justify that……

 

[kanuflengParticipant]

thats never gonna happen. theres now way smart gets taken over wiggins. marcus smart is good. i think he is player who has good stats in college and would have a hard time adjusting in the nba. it is just me but im not that impressed with him. wiggins is the opposite, kinda like drummond. not dominating the college game but would be incredible in pros. wiggins over smart.

[kanuflengParticipant]

thats never gonna happen. theres now way smart gets taken over wiggins. marcus smart is good. i think he is player who has good stats in college and would have a hard time adjusting in the nba. it is just me but im not that impressed with him. wiggins is the opposite, kinda like drummond. not dominating the college game but would be incredible in pros. wiggins over smart.

[jwall1Participant]

Its not about the stats. Yes Randle went 1-7 against SC, but he did alot of other things really well but he made big plays down the stretch and his attitude and motor were relentless. The OP stated Wiggins’ state line, and then went on to state he was the "best player in this class," so his statline today was his justification for his claim. Of the top prospects (Randle, Parker, Embiid) he has been the most inconsistent player. If you have seen some of my posts obviously I am not a fan of Wiggins, but that does not mean I dislike him. I am not saying Wiggins has been bad, he has been good, but he has been nowhere near as good as he was projected to be before the season. He has been good defensively (and yes, better than Jabari Parker), but his defense is still way overblown. Just take for example the matchup between he and Smart last week. Smart is 6’4 and dominated that matchup on both ends. If Wiggins is as good of a defender as he is made out to be he should have won the defensive matchup against Smart. Wiggins has had relatively easy defensive assignments this year in the exception of a few guys, so I have yet to see what makes him such a great defensive player. My biggest issue with Wiggins is his tendency to drift throughout games. His attitude today was great, but in too many of KU’s games this year he has been almost nonexistent and disinterested through periods of games. You do not see that attitude from Embiid, Smart, Randle, or Parker…

 

And as far as his draft stock. I think he could definitely be justified as going anywhere from 1-5. Is he a top 3 lock? Most likely but Smart and Randle IMO have a bigger shot at going before Wiggins than most believe. 

 

 

[mikeyvthedonParticipant]

I mean, Julius Randle can go 1-7 against South Carolina and still gets a "Great player" at the start of your description of his performance. Wiggins goes for 41 and we get a "Just because he (had an awesome game) does not mean he is the best in his class" without the OP even bringing that up. It is fine if you do not like him, but I think there may either be some sour grapes or something else going on here. I remember you posting that he was "overrated so far" after his first college game! Game 1!

Yes, he had insane expectations going into college. He was called the "best prospect since LeBron James" (as was Jabari Parker, mind you) and that he has taken his lumps. Still has played a ridiculously hard schedule, than in a really deep conference that he has to be amongst the favorites for Player of the Year in said conference. He has led his team in scoring, defended the other teams top offensive option consistently and usually pretty well. All on a team returning 0 starters and getting incredibly inconsistent PG play. Not saying that your boy Randle was not in a tough situation as well and that Parker had to play 4/5 the entire season, but he has at the very least been "pretty good".

He did get some calls today. So he should have maybe had 35 instead of 41. You saying "he needed this game" just seems pretty outrageous. What was he supposed to do? Go up to the referree and tell him he made the wrong call? Did what he had to do and had a great game. If he had gotten 20 points and the win, I am guessing none of this even comes up. Just find it really interesting that this is your reaction and have noticed a pattern of slight favoritism to the school "J-Wall" went to. That is fine, just kind of interested in where you think Andrew Wiggins draft stock is? Because I think he has never really moved much lower than 3 on most peoples boards and this was just an idea of what he can possibly bring to the table. Saying "he needed this" though? I think he had not done too badly before this.

[jwall1Participant]

 Just because he went for 41pt-8rb-2ast-5stl-4blk does not mean he is the best in his class. Marcus Smart went for a similar line earlier in the season against memphis (39pt-4reb-4ast-5stl-2blk) and just because he went for that line does not make him the best in his class. It is definitely impressive of Wiggins, but IMO his 19 free throw attempts really should have been more like 12-14 ish (bad calls). With all the hype Wiggins has gotten he needed this game, so props to him. I really do not see this significantly boosting his draft stock, but thats largely in part to how good this draft class is. 

[TONYDABOSS77Participant]

No, it doesn’t make him the best. The whole yr makes him the best. If you look at any of my previous posts about the 2014 class, I’ve always had him above everyone. I’ve always said that he’s the best 2way player in this class.

Me recognizing this game is just that, recognizing this game. When Smart put up that line, ppl went crazy. When Jabari had 29 against a weak ACC team, ppl went crazy. Wiggins just dropped 40 while shooting 66%. It’s not getting enough attention.

 

[TONYDABOSS77Participant]

No, it doesn’t make him the best. The whole yr makes him the best. If you look at any of my previous posts about the 2014 class, I’ve always had him above everyone. I’ve always said that he’s the best 2way player in this class.

Me recognizing this game is just that, recognizing this game. When Smart put up that line, ppl went crazy. When Jabari had 29 against a weak ACC team, ppl went crazy. Wiggins just dropped 40 while shooting 66%. It’s not getting enough attention.

 

[TONYDABOSS77Participant]

He’s never mentioned as a scorer, but he’s the first freshman in that top tier to have 30 points. Not Embiid, Parker, or Randle. I’m just saying to give Wiggins his due.

[TONYDABOSS77Participant]

He’s never mentioned as a scorer, but he’s the first freshman in that top tier to have 30 points. Not Embiid, Parker, or Randle. I’m just saying to give Wiggins his due.

[Memphis MadnessParticipant]

The top two picks are for Embiid and Wiggins to lose.  Based on today, you could argue that Wiggins (great game) narrowly passes Embiid (back issues) for the top pick in the draft. 

With great play the rest of the way, Wiggins will be a LOCK to at least go number two. 

Also, there is very little chance that Wiggins falls outside the top three. 

Top two picks now are a virtual toss up, with Jabari Parker in a virtual lock for the 3rd spot. 

Randle has the edge on the fourth spot, but I wouldn’t bet a ton of money on it.

Fifth spot is a toss up between Randle (if he doesn’t go at 4), Vonleh (seems to be moving up), Dante Exum, Aaron Gordon, and Marcus Smart.

GM’s don’t like to get fired, so I don’t see Parker falling past 3.  I see Wiggins and Embiid going 1 and 2 in some order.  It might come down to who gets the top pick. 

The battle for the top pick might just go down to the wire even though it is basically a two person race.

[Memphis MadnessParticipant]

The top two picks are for Embiid and Wiggins to lose.  Based on today, you could argue that Wiggins (great game) narrowly passes Embiid (back issues) for the top pick in the draft. 

With great play the rest of the way, Wiggins will be a LOCK to at least go number two. 

Also, there is very little chance that Wiggins falls outside the top three. 

Top two picks now are a virtual toss up, with Jabari Parker in a virtual lock for the 3rd spot. 

Randle has the edge on the fourth spot, but I wouldn’t bet a ton of money on it.

Fifth spot is a toss up between Randle (if he doesn’t go at 4), Vonleh (seems to be moving up), Dante Exum, Aaron Gordon, and Marcus Smart.

GM’s don’t like to get fired, so I don’t see Parker falling past 3.  I see Wiggins and Embiid going 1 and 2 in some order.  It might come down to who gets the top pick. 

The battle for the top pick might just go down to the wire even though it is basically a two person race.

[TONYDABOSS77Participant]

 My top 5 is Wiggins, Parker, Embiid, Randle, Exum right now.

I give Parker the edge over Embiid because we see a bit more of what Jabari is than Embiid. Embiid has all the tools, but he hasn’t really had that big game yet. Although, I think that 2 & 3 spot can flip. 

I just don’t see anyone else with Wiggins’ upside.

Ppl say he’s raw, but he’s still putting up great numbers & is still a top player in the country. If you combine all that with his upside, I think you’re getting a superstar. I compare his game right now to Tracy McGrady when he was transitioning between the Raptors & Magic. He’s a 6’8 guy with a 7 ft wingspan that can pull up or take it to the cup. Not enough is made of his decision making. I just think he’s the best player in this class & he’s no where near as good as he will be.

Another thing is that if you’ve seen the champions of the NBA over the last 30 yrs, you’ll see that they all have atleast 2 focal point guys. Wiggins’ game is more condusive to winning than anybody elses because he can get his points without dominating the ball & shooting a lot. Plus, he actually plays hard.

 

[TONYDABOSS77Participant]

 My top 5 is Wiggins, Parker, Embiid, Randle, Exum right now.

I give Parker the edge over Embiid because we see a bit more of what Jabari is than Embiid. Embiid has all the tools, but he hasn’t really had that big game yet. Although, I think that 2 & 3 spot can flip. 

I just don’t see anyone else with Wiggins’ upside.

Ppl say he’s raw, but he’s still putting up great numbers & is still a top player in the country. If you combine all that with his upside, I think you’re getting a superstar. I compare his game right now to Tracy McGrady when he was transitioning between the Raptors & Magic. He’s a 6’8 guy with a 7 ft wingspan that can pull up or take it to the cup. Not enough is made of his decision making. I just think he’s the best player in this class & he’s no where near as good as he will be.

Another thing is that if you’ve seen the champions of the NBA over the last 30 yrs, you’ll see that they all have atleast 2 focal point guys. Wiggins’ game is more condusive to winning than anybody elses because he can get his points without dominating the ball & shooting a lot. Plus, he actually plays hard.

 

[Ghost01Participant]

 I don’t exactly get why at the beginning of the year we were quick to pull Wiggins off as the No.1, and then we hesitated on Parker when he struggled a bit at the beginning of conference play, but no matter the fact Embiid hasn’t been playing because of a bad back, and wasn’t really doing much when he was out there, while both Wiggins and Parker have been playing generally pretty well lately, and yet everyone still thinks Embiid is No.1.

I like Embiid, but there have been a lot of athletic bigs with questionable skill to come into the NBA and just be 2nd tier players. To me, it is in play for Embiid. 

[Ghost01Participant]

 I don’t exactly get why at the beginning of the year we were quick to pull Wiggins off as the No.1, and then we hesitated on Parker when he struggled a bit at the beginning of conference play, but no matter the fact Embiid hasn’t been playing because of a bad back, and wasn’t really doing much when he was out there, while both Wiggins and Parker have been playing generally pretty well lately, and yet everyone still thinks Embiid is No.1.

I like Embiid, but there have been a lot of athletic bigs with questionable skill to come into the NBA and just be 2nd tier players. To me, it is in play for Embiid. 

[TONYDABOSS77Participant]

 Exactly, that’s why I still have it as Wiggins & Parker in that tier alone. To me, it’s always been those two. 

As I’ve said before, Embiid, to me, is a DeAndre Jordan kind of player. Not bad, but not franchise altering either.

 

[jwall1Participant]

 Comparing Embiid to Deandre Jordan? Ouch

[jwall1Participant]

 Comparing Embiid to Deandre Jordan? Ouch

[TONYDABOSS77Participant]

 Exactly, that’s why I still have it as Wiggins & Parker in that tier alone. To me, it’s always been those two. 

As I’ve said before, Embiid, to me, is a DeAndre Jordan kind of player. Not bad, but not franchise altering either.

 

[TONYDABOSS77Participant]

He’s not a scrub. Jordan’s the NBA’s leading rebounder, can finish around the rim & is a rim protector.

Compare Embiid to Jordan when he was coming out & you see two very similar prospects.

 Embiid is a solid free throw shooter though, so he has more upside.

[LindseyParticipant]

gotta look at em post movs bruv.

[LindseyParticipant]

gotta look at em post movs bruv.

[imAboutDatActionParticipant]

 wow, jus an ignorant comparison.

its obvious to spot the people who have no idea of Embiid’s game when they start comparing him to someone like Jordan or Thabeet.

 

[imAboutDatActionParticipant]

 wow, jus an ignorant comparison.

its obvious to spot the people who have no idea of Embiid’s game when they start comparing him to someone like Jordan or Thabeet.

 

[TONYDABOSS77Participant]

He’s not a scrub. Jordan’s the NBA’s leading rebounder, can finish around the rim & is a rim protector.

Compare Embiid to Jordan when he was coming out & you see two very similar prospects.

 Embiid is a solid free throw shooter though, so he has more upside.

[FritzParticipant]

 Embiid keeps getting compared to players like Jordan and Thabeet, which makes absolutely no sense. Embiid has an offensive skill set light years ahead of both of those players right now, 3 years into his basketball career. I am far more worried about Embiid having an injury history than not continueing to improve his skillset, and I’m not worried about that. Embiid has Al Jefferson potential on offense, and Roy Hibbert potential on defense, that is why he has the highest ceiling in this draft. Embiid is special, Parker and wiggins are also special, I would not bet on any of those three to turn out average. And I don’t know how anyone can see otherwise. I would bet all three will be hall of famers before I would bet one of them won’t make an all star team. 

[FritzParticipant]

 Embiid keeps getting compared to players like Jordan and Thabeet, which makes absolutely no sense. Embiid has an offensive skill set light years ahead of both of those players right now, 3 years into his basketball career. I am far more worried about Embiid having an injury history than not continueing to improve his skillset, and I’m not worried about that. Embiid has Al Jefferson potential on offense, and Roy Hibbert potential on defense, that is why he has the highest ceiling in this draft. Embiid is special, Parker and wiggins are also special, I would not bet on any of those three to turn out average. And I don’t know how anyone can see otherwise. I would bet all three will be hall of famers before I would bet one of them won’t make an all star team. 

[TONYDABOSS77Participant]

I wasn’t comparing Embiid to Jordan in terms of them offensively, but more as prospects & being projects.

But, still, you made very valid points. Everyone did. Thanks for the feedback, it really means a lot.

 

[TONYDABOSS77Participant]

I wasn’t comparing Embiid to Jordan in terms of them offensively, but more as prospects & being projects.

But, still, you made very valid points. Everyone did. Thanks for the feedback, it really means a lot.

 

[BiggaveliiiParticipant]

 Wiggins is like a light switch. he pretty much carried kansas on his back he made it look so Easyyy. Kansas really needs embiid their interior defense was shaky. Wiggins and the rudy gay comparison is a little farfetched. wiggins a lot faster, more athletic and wayyy better defender. He just needs polishing and i think him jabari parker are going to be terrific players. Randle needs to be better with his off hand, and he forces way too much. Randle may struggle the most because of the bigger bodies in the NBA. Wiggins had a couple of bad turnovers in this game mostly because of ball handling, but hes moreof a NBA player than he is a college player. You cant go wrong with Parker either both ready for the pros.Wiggins #1, Parker #2, Embiid #3/ Exum

[BiggaveliiiParticipant]

 Wiggins is like a light switch. he pretty much carried kansas on his back he made it look so Easyyy. Kansas really needs embiid their interior defense was shaky. Wiggins and the rudy gay comparison is a little farfetched. wiggins a lot faster, more athletic and wayyy better defender. He just needs polishing and i think him jabari parker are going to be terrific players. Randle needs to be better with his off hand, and he forces way too much. Randle may struggle the most because of the bigger bodies in the NBA. Wiggins had a couple of bad turnovers in this game mostly because of ball handling, but hes moreof a NBA player than he is a college player. You cant go wrong with Parker either both ready for the pros.Wiggins #1, Parker #2, Embiid #3/ Exum

[The Scare Crow RisesParticipant]

 I had to leave for work at halftime and I wasn’t impressed by what I saw the first half, Andrew was forcing the issue and turned the ball over on a few consecutive possessions. He got to line though and was by far the best athlete on the court. As much as he was doing I didn’t feel like he was in total control of the game. He’s a very scary prospect because in one hand I can totally see the sky high potential, but then I’m not sure he’ll be better a Luol Deng type of Sf in the NBA, which is still very good to end up but I feel people are a little too high on him as if today. I do not see him becoming a very good scorer in the League, 15 to 18 ppg max unless he develops a handle and consistent outside shot. I’m a little surprised eh scored this big against a Bob Huggins team, but I’m happy he’s becoming more aggressive and looking like a college number one option, he’ll have a lot of doubters changing their tune if he does this again in the NCAA tournement, myself included. I’m a die hard 76ers and for me it’s Jabarri or Bust this year, I feel like he’s got all the tools to be a Star in the pros. I’m nervous about Wiggins and Embiid honestly. I like them as prospects but I’m just nervous about my team taking them in the top 3

[The Scare Crow RisesParticipant]

 I had to leave for work at halftime and I wasn’t impressed by what I saw the first half, Andrew was forcing the issue and turned the ball over on a few consecutive possessions. He got to line though and was by far the best athlete on the court. As much as he was doing I didn’t feel like he was in total control of the game. He’s a very scary prospect because in one hand I can totally see the sky high potential, but then I’m not sure he’ll be better a Luol Deng type of Sf in the NBA, which is still very good to end up but I feel people are a little too high on him as if today. I do not see him becoming a very good scorer in the League, 15 to 18 ppg max unless he develops a handle and consistent outside shot. I’m a little surprised eh scored this big against a Bob Huggins team, but I’m happy he’s becoming more aggressive and looking like a college number one option, he’ll have a lot of doubters changing their tune if he does this again in the NCAA tournement, myself included. I’m a die hard 76ers and for me it’s Jabarri or Bust this year, I feel like he’s got all the tools to be a Star in the pros. I’m nervous about Wiggins and Embiid honestly. I like them as prospects but I’m just nervous about my team taking them in the top 3

[thatdude44Participant]

After seeing today’s game, it’s clear why GMs are so high on this kid, he can flat out play! I think the issue with Wiggins is he sometimes looks disengaged but when he’s locked-in, he’s easily the best player on the floor. It’s going to fun to watch who goes number 1, my guess is after a game like today considering Parker stays, Wiggins maybe a lock for at 1!….

[thatdude44Participant]

After seeing today’s game, it’s clear why GMs are so high on this kid, he can flat out play! I think the issue with Wiggins is he sometimes looks disengaged but when he’s locked-in, he’s easily the best player on the floor. It’s going to fun to watch who goes number 1, my guess is after a game like today considering Parker stays, Wiggins maybe a lock for at 1!….

[omphalosParticipant]

I’m as big a Wiggins fan as there is, but I’d still take Embiid first overall. Not saying these two players will reach these heights, but it reminds me a lot of the 84 draft with Jordan and Olajuwon. Even though Jordan is the GOAT, the Rockets made the right call taking Hakeem.

Similarly, I’d say Embiid is the first pick, you just don’t pass on that size and skill-set for a wing, especially when Wiggins will be matching up with the likes of Paul George, Lebron James, Kevin Durant and Melo, but Embiid only has to worry about Dwight, Drummond and Cousins really.

Still, first freshman since Harrison Barnes to drop a 40 point game, and just like Barnes, I think people are starting to realise they hopped off the bandwagon too soon.

 

 

 

[omphalosParticipant]

I’m as big a Wiggins fan as there is, but I’d still take Embiid first overall. Not saying these two players will reach these heights, but it reminds me a lot of the 84 draft with Jordan and Olajuwon. Even though Jordan is the GOAT, the Rockets made the right call taking Hakeem.

Similarly, I’d say Embiid is the first pick, you just don’t pass on that size and skill-set for a wing, especially when Wiggins will be matching up with the likes of Paul George, Lebron James, Kevin Durant and Melo, but Embiid only has to worry about Dwight, Drummond and Cousins really.

Still, first freshman since Harrison Barnes to drop a 40 point game, and just like Barnes, I think people are starting to realise they hopped off the bandwagon too soon.

 

 

 

[TONYDABOSS77Participant]

 Yeah, I can understand the Embiid thing too though. Big men with skill are hard to come by.

[TONYDABOSS77Participant]

 Yeah, I can understand the Embiid thing too though. Big men with skill are hard to come by.

[Land of GrantParticipant]

This game perfectly showcased all the reasons where Wiggins would be a reasonable no.1 – an efficient 41, scoring all kinds of ways, rebounding the ball and being a two way player with four steals and five blocks. There just isn’t another player in this draft who can put up a performance like that.

Parker could put up the points, and probably a few more too, but not with those defensive numbers, Embiid can’t create enough offense for that kind of game, and Randle can be stopped relatively easily with doubles.

Wiggins will be the most complete player from this draft – great gap filler and bucket filler, with awesome defense.

Having said that, Embiid’s awesome too. And Parker’s still the best offensive player in this draft.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Land of GrantParticipant]

This game perfectly showcased all the reasons where Wiggins would be a reasonable no.1 – an efficient 41, scoring all kinds of ways, rebounding the ball and being a two way player with four steals and five blocks. There just isn’t another player in this draft who can put up a performance like that.

Parker could put up the points, and probably a few more too, but not with those defensive numbers, Embiid can’t create enough offense for that kind of game, and Randle can be stopped relatively easily with doubles.

Wiggins will be the most complete player from this draft – great gap filler and bucket filler, with awesome defense.

Having said that, Embiid’s awesome too. And Parker’s still the best offensive player in this draft.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[TONYDABOSS77Participant]

I think its fair to say Jabari’s been the most consistent offensive guy &and even that’s an argument), but to say he’s just the definitive best is kinda naive. We forget that Parker is ALWAYS Duke’s first option & there’s no one on their roster who commands the ball & has the offensive talent he does. Randle & Wiggins both play with multiple teammates that are possible lottery picks (Young, WCS for Randle. Embiid & Selden for Wiggins.). Yet, they still put up comparable numbers.

I think Parker’s offense get’s over hyped sometimes because that’s really all he brings to the table is scoring so that’s what we tend to focus on. Same as how Durant or Melo will get the nod as the better scorers when LeBron actually averages more points per game over his career. Parker’s brilliant on offense, but the same things he does on that end, I watched Wiggins do that & then some today & some of the moves Wiggins does, Parker couldn’t dream of doing them (that spin move, finger roll from 10 ft out, etc etc).

THanks for your feedback though..I give everybody a point just for responding no matter what they say.

 

 

[TONYDABOSS77Participant]

I think its fair to say Jabari’s been the most consistent offensive guy &and even that’s an argument), but to say he’s just the definitive best is kinda naive. We forget that Parker is ALWAYS Duke’s first option & there’s no one on their roster who commands the ball & has the offensive talent he does. Randle & Wiggins both play with multiple teammates that are possible lottery picks (Young, WCS for Randle. Embiid & Selden for Wiggins.). Yet, they still put up comparable numbers.

I think Parker’s offense get’s over hyped sometimes because that’s really all he brings to the table is scoring so that’s what we tend to focus on. Same as how Durant or Melo will get the nod as the better scorers when LeBron actually averages more points per game over his career. Parker’s brilliant on offense, but the same things he does on that end, I watched Wiggins do that & then some today & some of the moves Wiggins does, Parker couldn’t dream of doing them (that spin move, finger roll from 10 ft out, etc etc).

THanks for your feedback though..I give everybody a point just for responding no matter what they say.

 

 

[Land of GrantParticipant]

 Completely agree, right now Parker’s more reliable to put in a good offensive performance but Wiggins has potential to surpass him on that end. Parker does get over hyped offensively because of that non-idea everyone was spouting earlier in the year "He’s so skilled! Skilled!", but right now he’s still the best scorer.

[Land of GrantParticipant]

 Completely agree, right now Parker’s more reliable to put in a good offensive performance but Wiggins has potential to surpass him on that end. Parker does get over hyped offensively because of that non-idea everyone was spouting earlier in the year "He’s so skilled! Skilled!", but right now he’s still the best scorer.

[unbelievaParticipant]

First off I’m a huge AndrewWiggins fan. Saw him play in high school went he still played in Canada(Vaughn, ontario) and have followed ever since.  I’ve thoughtful most the year it was either him or embiid going one no matter.  And after today I’d have to think wiggins has the edge.  Obviously the game he had stands out. But what I think wil be the difference in him going number one is embiid’s back issues.  Back trouble is one thing that tends to linger and for a big man already having trouble with it I’m sure will set off red flags. I think as of today that one question on Embiid propels wiggins above him. 

Obviously Parker,Randle,Smart, Exum and I guess we can include Vonleh all seem to be top 10 locks. I just don’t see any of them supplanting the Kansas duo at the top of the draft.  

[unbelievaParticipant]

First off I’m a huge AndrewWiggins fan. Saw him play in high school went he still played in Canada(Vaughn, ontario) and have followed ever since.  I’ve thoughtful most the year it was either him or embiid going one no matter.  And after today I’d have to think wiggins has the edge.  Obviously the game he had stands out. But what I think wil be the difference in him going number one is embiid’s back issues.  Back trouble is one thing that tends to linger and for a big man already having trouble with it I’m sure will set off red flags. I think as of today that one question on Embiid propels wiggins above him. 

Obviously Parker,Randle,Smart, Exum and I guess we can include Vonleh all seem to be top 10 locks. I just don’t see any of them supplanting the Kansas duo at the top of the draft.  

[NeggedFolyfe]

so this is what happens when wiggins has a great game ppl show their face saying hes this and hes that  I honestly turned the game off because I thought this would be a casual disappearance act  by wiggins  right after I thought " what if he goes off and I miss it?" well I choose to turn.

Anyhow he had a good game so ? everybody keeps bringing up him and pg. pg took a while to make an all star team and honestly gets all the credit for a great pacer team because hes the Flashy/highlight making player im not saying hes not good no but im saying he isn’t top 5  best in league and that’s what all of you want and expects wiggins to become miky v and a couple other posters are so gone on wiggins its ashame he isn’t the best player in nation or the second best or the third best its even  a player on his team that scouts rank higher then him.

he had a good game so what? if we talk about college ballers that had 1 good game THE LIST WOULDNT STOP  show me CONSISTENCY show me aggressiveness every nite ANY BODY CAN TAKE IT TOO A BUNCH OF SCHOOL BOYS WHO WONT HAVE BASKETBALL CAREERS and wiggins is projected to be a top 3 pick  so the TURN UP SHOULD HAVE BEEN ACTIVATED LOL 

I agree with wall on this but I will say teams wont let him slip out of top 3 to 5 .

the thing about potential is YOU HAVE TO LIVE UP TO IT  because its nothing physically there until you do.

[NeggedFolyfe]

so this is what happens when wiggins has a great game ppl show their face saying hes this and hes that  I honestly turned the game off because I thought this would be a casual disappearance act  by wiggins  right after I thought " what if he goes off and I miss it?" well I choose to turn.

Anyhow he had a good game so ? everybody keeps bringing up him and pg. pg took a while to make an all star team and honestly gets all the credit for a great pacer team because hes the Flashy/highlight making player im not saying hes not good no but im saying he isn’t top 5  best in league and that’s what all of you want and expects wiggins to become miky v and a couple other posters are so gone on wiggins its ashame he isn’t the best player in nation or the second best or the third best its even  a player on his team that scouts rank higher then him.

he had a good game so what? if we talk about college ballers that had 1 good game THE LIST WOULDNT STOP  show me CONSISTENCY show me aggressiveness every nite ANY BODY CAN TAKE IT TOO A BUNCH OF SCHOOL BOYS WHO WONT HAVE BASKETBALL CAREERS and wiggins is projected to be a top 3 pick  so the TURN UP SHOULD HAVE BEEN ACTIVATED LOL 

I agree with wall on this but I will say teams wont let him slip out of top 3 to 5 .

the thing about potential is YOU HAVE TO LIVE UP TO IT  because its nothing physically there until you do.

[NeggedFolyfe]

parker actually isn’t duke ball pounder they run a offense and he put up ### in that set a good amount of his points come from hustle plays and o rebs.

[NeggedFolyfe]

parker actually isn’t duke ball pounder they run a offense and he put up ### in that set a good amount of his points come from hustle plays and o rebs.

[NeggedFolyfe]

he needed a game like this most def…………..BECAUSE THE HYPE WAS DYING BADLY if he didn’t have a game like that would we be having this convo?

you cant argue this^^^^^^^^^^^

 

I think the Wiggins believers  wait and pray for a game like this because the pedestrian #s he was putting up for a future all star cal two way player who was suppose to be the best of his generation  was pitiful to watch.

I like Wiggins also but i’m realistic  and I did expect him to do everything he did this season and have 1 big game to get ppl talking again.

[NeggedFolyfe]

he needed a game like this most def…………..BECAUSE THE HYPE WAS DYING BADLY if he didn’t have a game like that would we be having this convo?

you cant argue this^^^^^^^^^^^

 

I think the Wiggins believers  wait and pray for a game like this because the pedestrian #s he was putting up for a future all star cal two way player who was suppose to be the best of his generation  was pitiful to watch.

I like Wiggins also but i’m realistic  and I did expect him to do everything he did this season and have 1 big game to get ppl talking again.

[unbelievaParticipant]

 The hype was dying badly?  Before the game they were talking about him being a leading candidate for big 12 POY.  He is a victim of unrealistic expectations.  Bill Self actually said earlier in the year that Wiggins was scoring more than he had thought he would. Since you’re so high on jabari here’s a little conference star comparison(sorry jabari no elon or eastern michigan in conference lol).

Wiggins

17.6 PPG .452 FG%  .368 3p%  .764 FT%

Parker

17.6 PPG  .451FG%  .302 3P%  .731 F

 Considering Jabari is considered the most polished offensive player(I’m not arguing against that) Andrew seems to stack up quite well.  

 

[unbelievaParticipant]

 The hype was dying badly?  Before the game they were talking about him being a leading candidate for big 12 POY.  He is a victim of unrealistic expectations.  Bill Self actually said earlier in the year that Wiggins was scoring more than he had thought he would. Since you’re so high on jabari here’s a little conference star comparison(sorry jabari no elon or eastern michigan in conference lol).

Wiggins

17.6 PPG .452 FG%  .368 3p%  .764 FT%

Parker

17.6 PPG  .451FG%  .302 3P%  .731 F

 Considering Jabari is considered the most polished offensive player(I’m not arguing against that) Andrew seems to stack up quite well.  

 

[unbelievaParticipant]

Also did anyone notice in the dunk Wiggins had on the break he caught the ball even with his own three point line and only took two dribbles to go the entire court.  Not sure I’ve ever seen this. 

Sorry have never embedded and for some reason my link won’t show.  It’s worth a search for though

[unbelievaParticipant]

Also did anyone notice in the dunk Wiggins had on the break he caught the ball even with his own three point line and only took two dribbles to go the entire court.  Not sure I’ve ever seen this. 

Sorry have never embedded and for some reason my link won’t show.  It’s worth a search for though

[NeggedFolyfe]

numbers are numbers until you watch the game when you notice parker is the focal point of a defensive scheme and still strives in the half court you would think twice about the numbers when wiggins is getting a lot of  spot up jumpers or open cuts to the baskets no to mention fast breaks  and parker is getting with all around skill sets mostly in the half court.

I feel like wiggins lacks upper level  ball handling skills for the slasher he is , same old predictable spins/moves but I do give him props for still being a force with all these issues that does take talent I like wiggins.

the hype you guys gave him was undeserved ad when wall stated what he did everybody was down his throat when his beliefs are justified

not to mention wvu still won that game.

its like when Iverson crossed Jordan everybody said ooooooooooow the kids nice hes the future  Jordan still dropped a ton of points and won that game . im saying lets not get ahead when wall made good statement that can be justified. next level wiggins will meet more athletic ,longer, stronger defenders  and big men behind them that was the best at the college level. parker and others may have the skill set now to do better against them and thats what I felt like he was saying. Rember H. barnes was the next  ray allen/loul deng from this site had similar struggles as wiggins also.  

[NeggedFolyfe]

numbers are numbers until you watch the game when you notice parker is the focal point of a defensive scheme and still strives in the half court you would think twice about the numbers when wiggins is getting a lot of  spot up jumpers or open cuts to the baskets no to mention fast breaks  and parker is getting with all around skill sets mostly in the half court.

I feel like wiggins lacks upper level  ball handling skills for the slasher he is , same old predictable spins/moves but I do give him props for still being a force with all these issues that does take talent I like wiggins.

the hype you guys gave him was undeserved ad when wall stated what he did everybody was down his throat when his beliefs are justified

not to mention wvu still won that game.

its like when Iverson crossed Jordan everybody said ooooooooooow the kids nice hes the future  Jordan still dropped a ton of points and won that game . im saying lets not get ahead when wall made good statement that can be justified. next level wiggins will meet more athletic ,longer, stronger defenders  and big men behind them that was the best at the college level. parker and others may have the skill set now to do better against them and thats what I felt like he was saying. Rember H. barnes was the next  ray allen/loul deng from this site had similar struggles as wiggins also.  

[mikeyvthedonParticipant]

Plus I flat out disagreed with some of the points he was bringing up. Man, the guy had a good game, plain and simple. Some people never stopped thinking he had the most NBA potential. We are not saying that he has been perfect and does not have flaws, nor that he has "lived up to the hype" of outrageous expectations. However, he has been pretty damn good. What I flat out disagree with is the "spot up jumpers and basket cuts" theory around how Wiggins gets most of his offense. Think that is lazy analysis and simply not true, would love to see numbers that tell me otherwise, because I am watching the games. Guess you are as well, though the "easy buckets" theorem is something I am not buying.

Jabari Parker was fantastic last night and he played maybe his best game of the season in the huge win over UNC. He had an amazing up and under, some fantastic drives, however it is not like all of his baskets were in a half court set. Plus, he was being defended by 4’s and 5’s, or just overpowering JP Tokoto. That was impressive, for sure, just did not see UNC bringing their entire defense over to him, especially when Rodney Hood was stretching things as well. They were on all cylinders and notice that Jabari still got some open looks. 

They are both fantastic prospects and I was incredibly impressed by Jabari yesterday, as I have been throughout the college season. His strength is incredible, he moves well and have always known he can stroke. What I still think is that the divide between he and Wiggins is not huge. Plus I do believe that at the next level, a more wide open style may benefit Wiggins quite a bit. Parker had huge expectations as well and has lived up to them. Though, most people did think that Parker’s game was maybe more "college ready" and he would be the absolute focus of an offense with another versatile wing player.

To me, Parker has been the better college player, though Wiggins has not been a disappointment in the least. If he didn’t score 41 yesterday, am sure people would harp on him as always. The thing is, he did and I think the way he did it was pretty damn impressive. Still would take Parker’s game and the win yesterday, though this post was before than, as were the things said on it. The better college player is not always the better NBA player. Not saying there is no chance of Parker being better in the NBA as well, though I do not think Wiggins is going to be a slouch and it remains a debate. Will be one until they have some years under their belt.

Saying that defenses focus on Parker more so as opposed to preparing for Wiggins though, think both are definitely the main focus of the defense they go up against. Parker is better in the half court, but their are a lot of ways to score and Wiggins has indeed shown an ability to get his as well. He is not a lost cause on that end and while Parker is more seasoned, I just do not buy that he is light years ahead of Wiggins as an offensive option at the next level.

[mikeyvthedonParticipant]

Plus I flat out disagreed with some of the points he was bringing up. Man, the guy had a good game, plain and simple. Some people never stopped thinking he had the most NBA potential. We are not saying that he has been perfect and does not have flaws, nor that he has "lived up to the hype" of outrageous expectations. However, he has been pretty damn good. What I flat out disagree with is the "spot up jumpers and basket cuts" theory around how Wiggins gets most of his offense. Think that is lazy analysis and simply not true, would love to see numbers that tell me otherwise, because I am watching the games. Guess you are as well, though the "easy buckets" theorem is something I am not buying.

Jabari Parker was fantastic last night and he played maybe his best game of the season in the huge win over UNC. He had an amazing up and under, some fantastic drives, however it is not like all of his baskets were in a half court set. Plus, he was being defended by 4’s and 5’s, or just overpowering JP Tokoto. That was impressive, for sure, just did not see UNC bringing their entire defense over to him, especially when Rodney Hood was stretching things as well. They were on all cylinders and notice that Jabari still got some open looks. 

They are both fantastic prospects and I was incredibly impressed by Jabari yesterday, as I have been throughout the college season. His strength is incredible, he moves well and have always known he can stroke. What I still think is that the divide between he and Wiggins is not huge. Plus I do believe that at the next level, a more wide open style may benefit Wiggins quite a bit. Parker had huge expectations as well and has lived up to them. Though, most people did think that Parker’s game was maybe more "college ready" and he would be the absolute focus of an offense with another versatile wing player.

To me, Parker has been the better college player, though Wiggins has not been a disappointment in the least. If he didn’t score 41 yesterday, am sure people would harp on him as always. The thing is, he did and I think the way he did it was pretty damn impressive. Still would take Parker’s game and the win yesterday, though this post was before than, as were the things said on it. The better college player is not always the better NBA player. Not saying there is no chance of Parker being better in the NBA as well, though I do not think Wiggins is going to be a slouch and it remains a debate. Will be one until they have some years under their belt.

Saying that defenses focus on Parker more so as opposed to preparing for Wiggins though, think both are definitely the main focus of the defense they go up against. Parker is better in the half court, but their are a lot of ways to score and Wiggins has indeed shown an ability to get his as well. He is not a lost cause on that end and while Parker is more seasoned, I just do not buy that he is light years ahead of Wiggins as an offensive option at the next level.

[NeggedFolyfe]

and now that you posted your numbers how about I post the ones I have since numbers are everything I guess

Andrew Wiggins #22 G

 

 

Player Card | Game Log

PPG	RPG	APG	FG%	BPG
16.8	5.9	1.6	.452	0.9

 

Jabari Parker #1 F

 

 

Player Card | Game Log

PPG	RPG	APG	FG%	BPG
19.2	9	1.3	.487	1.4

[NeggedFolyfe]

and now that you posted your numbers how about I post the ones I have since numbers are everything I guess

Andrew Wiggins #22 G

 

 

Player Card | Game Log

PPG	RPG	APG	FG%	BPG
16.8	5.9	1.6	.452	0.9

 

Jabari Parker #1 F

 

 

Player Card | Game Log

PPG	RPG	APG	FG%	BPG
19.2	9	1.3	.487	1.4

[HaleParticipant]

Man give up. Everything you have said in here in nonsense. Guys like MikeyV and I have never jumped off the Wiggins train and always had him ranked #1. You say he’s putting up mediocre numbers, I say he’s the #1 option on the best team in the best conference in America despite having very shaky pg play. You say he’s not aggressive, he has attempted the 4th most FT’s in the Big 12 and eve without adjusting for minutes his 6.5 FTA per game would put him at #11 in the NBA. You say he’s not consistent, which freshman has been? No, Wiggins has not been ultra consistent. But he’s routinely been very good on both ends. Parker has been more consistent but not by some staggering amount. You also say him being like Paul George is a bad thing. He’s a 2x all star, all NBA third team, all NBA 2nd team D, and most improved player at 23. That’s not counting that he’ll surely get an all NBA 1st team D and probably 3rd team all NBA again. Who cares if he isn’t a top 5 player, he’s really good and still improving. The funny thing is Wiggins is way ahead of where George was at the same stage too. You could be seeing a similar impact from Wiggins in year two or three!

[HaleParticipant]

Man give up. Everything you have said in here in nonsense. Guys like MikeyV and I have never jumped off the Wiggins train and always had him ranked #1. You say he’s putting up mediocre numbers, I say he’s the #1 option on the best team in the best conference in America despite having very shaky pg play. You say he’s not aggressive, he has attempted the 4th most FT’s in the Big 12 and eve without adjusting for minutes his 6.5 FTA per game would put him at #11 in the NBA. You say he’s not consistent, which freshman has been? No, Wiggins has not been ultra consistent. But he’s routinely been very good on both ends. Parker has been more consistent but not by some staggering amount. You also say him being like Paul George is a bad thing. He’s a 2x all star, all NBA third team, all NBA 2nd team D, and most improved player at 23. That’s not counting that he’ll surely get an all NBA 1st team D and probably 3rd team all NBA again. Who cares if he isn’t a top 5 player, he’s really good and still improving. The funny thing is Wiggins is way ahead of where George was at the same stage too. You could be seeing a similar impact from Wiggins in year two or three!

[NeggedFolyfe]

I never said  pg was a bad player im just saying he gets a lot of credit I think other memebers of the pacers deserve as well because hes more  "sexy" and you lost me when you said he would be 11th in the nba no he would be 4th in the big 12 that’s it. You discredited a lot of proven nba players by making that statement.

 

[NeggedFolyfe]

I never said  pg was a bad player im just saying he gets a lot of credit I think other memebers of the pacers deserve as well because hes more  "sexy" and you lost me when you said he would be 11th in the nba no he would be 4th in the big 12 that’s it. You discredited a lot of proven nba players by making that statement.

 

[HaleParticipant]

I meant if you took his numbers right now (6.5 FTA) that would rank #11 in the NBA. I don’t expect him to go in and do that next season I’m just saying you don’t get to the line that often without playing aggressive. I know George isn’t a superstar but I know he’s really good and still improving. Wiggins is way ahead at the same stage too, that should be accounted for.

[HaleParticipant]

I meant if you took his numbers right now (6.5 FTA) that would rank #11 in the NBA. I don’t expect him to go in and do that next season I’m just saying you don’t get to the line that often without playing aggressive. I know George isn’t a superstar but I know he’s really good and still improving. Wiggins is way ahead at the same stage too, that should be accounted for.

[NeggedFolyfe]

agreed

[NeggedFolyfe]

agreed

[unbelievaParticipant]

The reason I posted the conference stats is because generally in conference you’re playing against players that were recruited to play at that level. So going from non conference to conference Jabari’s numbers have clearly dropped when the level of competition has gone up.   Wiggins has been the opposite where his numbers have risen versus the conference.  

Which is why I don’t agree with someome saying wiggins will struggle at the next level because of the athletes. I thought the only possible knock on Jabari’s offensive game was he can struggle when superior athletes defend him.   I know it was only for a bit but when duke/kansas met earlier in the year, but I read jabari was only1-7 from the field when Wiggins covered him.   

Theyll both be great pros.  Differeng type of players clearly and I cannot wait for this madness to get started, hopefully we see some great performances. 

[unbelievaParticipant]

The reason I posted the conference stats is because generally in conference you’re playing against players that were recruited to play at that level. So going from non conference to conference Jabari’s numbers have clearly dropped when the level of competition has gone up.   Wiggins has been the opposite where his numbers have risen versus the conference.  

Which is why I don’t agree with someome saying wiggins will struggle at the next level because of the athletes. I thought the only possible knock on Jabari’s offensive game was he can struggle when superior athletes defend him.   I know it was only for a bit but when duke/kansas met earlier in the year, but I read jabari was only1-7 from the field when Wiggins covered him.   

Theyll both be great pros.  Differeng type of players clearly and I cannot wait for this madness to get started, hopefully we see some great performances. 

[mikeyvthedonParticipant]

Well, do not see a lot of those. Except if you talk about the fastbreak he created by blocking Juwan Staten, than taking two dribbles to a monstrous dunk. Oh, and all of the steals that led to his sprinting up the court for transition looks. Do not see any real spot ups, as far as his lagging behind the defense and stepping into a shot. Looks like he indeed, created a lot of his own offense yesterday. West Virginia was fantastic yesterday, Juwan Staten, Eron Harris and Devin Williams were great. However, is it not at least something to note that when noone was really getting it going for Kansas and they were down by 25, Wiggins did not quit. Hard not to at least take that as some sign of encouragement. It was a hard loss on the road, though think most freshmen this year can sympathize with that. Not all of them scored 41 points in these rough conditions.

[mikeyvthedonParticipant]

Well, do not see a lot of those. Except if you talk about the fastbreak he created by blocking Juwan Staten, than taking two dribbles to a monstrous dunk. Oh, and all of the steals that led to his sprinting up the court for transition looks. Do not see any real spot ups, as far as his lagging behind the defense and stepping into a shot. Looks like he indeed, created a lot of his own offense yesterday. West Virginia was fantastic yesterday, Juwan Staten, Eron Harris and Devin Williams were great. However, is it not at least something to note that when noone was really getting it going for Kansas and they were down by 25, Wiggins did not quit. Hard not to at least take that as some sign of encouragement. It was a hard loss on the road, though think most freshmen this year can sympathize with that. Not all of them scored 41 points in these rough conditions.

[NeggedFolyfe]

I still see a wild player ….he had  a good game ok that doesn’t fix his problems falling all over the place ,its not going to be as easy on the next level with better, stronger, more athletic and longer defenders might I add better defenses.

a good game doenst make all your problems go away marshoon brooks dropped around 55 in college.

 

Last but not least somebody has to score the ball it just so happen to be wiggins that nite. if his offense was so well accomplished he would have big games more often.

 I like Wiggins he has UPSIDE but he has to get it together because nobody stepping out of his way on the next level hes not getting flimsy  lay ups , their will be box outs and players put in just to get physical and rebound.

the argument was could players go before wiggins and yes they could go most experts don’t have him going 1 or 2 ..some ppl don’t have him 3.

[NeggedFolyfe]

I still see a wild player ….he had  a good game ok that doesn’t fix his problems falling all over the place ,its not going to be as easy on the next level with better, stronger, more athletic and longer defenders might I add better defenses.

a good game doenst make all your problems go away marshoon brooks dropped around 55 in college.

 

Last but not least somebody has to score the ball it just so happen to be wiggins that nite. if his offense was so well accomplished he would have big games more often.

 I like Wiggins he has UPSIDE but he has to get it together because nobody stepping out of his way on the next level hes not getting flimsy  lay ups , their will be box outs and players put in just to get physical and rebound.

the argument was could players go before wiggins and yes they could go most experts don’t have him going 1 or 2 ..some ppl don’t have him 3.

[JoeWolf1]

"Last but not least somebody has to score the ball it just so happen to be wiggins that nite. if his offense was so well accomplished he would have big games more often."

Jabari Parker has gone for 25 or more points 5 times this season, twice since conference play has started.

Andrew Wiggins has gone for 25 or more points 4 times this season, three times since conference play has started. 

[JoeWolf1]

"Last but not least somebody has to score the ball it just so happen to be wiggins that nite. if his offense was so well accomplished he would have big games more often."

Jabari Parker has gone for 25 or more points 5 times this season, twice since conference play has started.

Andrew Wiggins has gone for 25 or more points 4 times this season, three times since conference play has started. 

[imAboutDatActionParticipant]

 great game from Wiggins.

his whole game was in full display and showed a glimpse on what he can become. he showed his athletcism, his defensive skills, his driving ability, and the ability to knock down shots. he has a good stroke, its jus a matter of improving his shot with more reps and experience.

thats why people have him ranked over Parker, because his two way upside is much higher.  Wiggins isnt even scratching the surface on what he can become, which is scary and has scouts drooling from the mouth.

i still believe its going to be a battle between him and Embiid for the #1 overall pick. while parker may be in the discussion, both players two way upside will make GM’s have to choice between them on whether which one is going to be the #1 overall pick.

i’d personally select Wiggins #1.

[imAboutDatActionParticipant]

 great game from Wiggins.

his whole game was in full display and showed a glimpse on what he can become. he showed his athletcism, his defensive skills, his driving ability, and the ability to knock down shots. he has a good stroke, its jus a matter of improving his shot with more reps and experience.

thats why people have him ranked over Parker, because his two way upside is much higher.  Wiggins isnt even scratching the surface on what he can become, which is scary and has scouts drooling from the mouth.

i still believe its going to be a battle between him and Embiid for the #1 overall pick. while parker may be in the discussion, both players two way upside will make GM’s have to choice between them on whether which one is going to be the #1 overall pick.

i’d personally select Wiggins #1.

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