Why Wiggins will be a better pro than Parker
I have to go with Wiggins for 6 reasons (In no order). And for the record, I have Randle ranked a tiny bit better than Parker too.
1. Wiggins is a far superior athlete, in terms of vertical leap, speed, and lateral quickness.
2. Parker thus far is actaully shooting 68% from the foul line, Wiggins 75%.
3. Wiggins is a better defender AND has more potential there.
4. Yes Parker is a superior shooter, but by not as much as you'd think, Wiggins can shoot.
5. Wiggins possesses better shot selection and Parker can jack up tough shots.
6. Not a big deal, but Parker did suffer a leg injury is HS, which should be noted.
im not buying any of that.
An explanation as to why would be helpful.
I agree with most of the post, although I'm not too sure about comparing Parker and Wiggins' shot selection. They play in completely different offensive systems, where Parker is asked to score more which has definately affected his shot selection at times.
Wiggins is more athletic and a better defender. Even if he doesn't ever improve his offensive game, his defence will keep him in the league for the next 10+ years. I have more faith in Wiggins' defence translating to the League as opposed to Parkers offence. On top of this, Wiggins' potential offensively is huge too. This is why I think Wiggins will go number one, irrespective of any numbers that Jabari puts up this year.
Man it annoys me when people just write "no" to someones opinion without backing it up with some logic of their own.
I think Wiggins will be a better two way player as well. You can see offensively he still in a infant stage kinda, but has all the tools. I've come to comparison of Paul George and Rudy Gay skill wise at this stage, both also had all the tools and took time to mature. Those two were 22/24yrs old until becoming star caliber players.
Parker is a natural scorer and the complete package offensively, but he can fall in love with the jump shot and doesnt move his feet well defensively.
parker has the complete package offensively or is alteast showing that the step from high school to college isnt effecting and the assumption is neitehr will the jump to the nba due to his amazing and translatable skill set.
Wiggins on the other hand is an elite athlete. he's not lebron but hes more of a sg/sf while lebron by his build is a tweener but for his instance that is a positive because he actually has the speed for sf and strength/length for pf. Wiggins first step, speed and vertical (height + speed) are going to stand out even in the nba while parkers will more likely blend in. BUT he lacks the perimeter skills to take over the game just yet
so as you said, his skillset reminds you of a mix of rudy gay and paul george. look at both those players today. George is an MVP candidate while rudy is still living off of potential (trust me, i watch enough of his games). this is what causes that huge argument between thse two. parker seems like safer pick while wiggins could end up anywhere btween rudy and george, which is a HUGE gap.
people say wiggins just has to continue to develop his offense, well why cant parker improve his defense? both these guys would be a blessing to which ever team they go to. Being from Toronto and being a Duke fan, this is a tie for me till one player CLEARLY surpasses the other in all aspects of the game. I just hope this rivalry actually comes to fruition unlike the melo lebron one that never really happened
ill tell you why i disagree for every fact he posted.
1) wiggins is a better athlete, no doubt, however jabari parker is very athletic for his size. ive seen a few duke games where he gets up and down the court faster then some of the guards, he catches some tough alley oops and puts it down with ease, so while wiggins might be the better athlete, parkers athleticism is not to take for grant it.
2) parker is taking more free throws per game then wiggins, and is featured more on the offensive side then wiggins is. im sure as time goes on his free throw shooting will improve as will wiggins. so thats not going to make or break who is the better future pro.
3) i think wiggins and parker will play 2 different positions in the league. i think wiggins will play 2/3 while parker will play the 4, depending on what team he gets picked maybe some 3. (this is the only tough one to defend, *no pun intended* because i think wiggins is the better defender
4) like you said parker is the better shooter and can only get better. same with wiggins too, but i like parkers mechanics better.
Wiggins is further along at this stage then the two guys I compared him to. I'm waiting to see what he does down the line when the team really needs him to stepped it up. I already know for sure Parker has the mentally and is going to bring it.
I 110% agree with you.
Does anybody actually watches games? Look, if there is was nothing written about high school ball, and everybody would go in the season with an open mind and no prejudice what would be your opinion regarding Jabari or Wiggins? I will tell you mine. Wiggins is an ueber-athletic freak with all star potential but Jabari is the real deal, so talented, so advanced skill wise and athletically! that he will be a surefire franchise type. I cant see him not being one of the best 10 Players in the league most of his career. Never ever will Wiggins be this sort of shooter or scorer or creator, as slasher and defender maybe but what seperates Jabari is his heart, dtermination and IQ.
Yeah, I guess Scottie Pippen, Paul Goerge, Harrison Barnes and Rudy Gay are the exception. If you dont light it up in college youre not going to be a great player. I dont get how Parker has shown more heart so far ?
I'm from Canada, too, eh!
My eyes and experience tell me a different yet the same story about Parker and Wiggins. People use "potential" and "athleticism" in the same context and they are not at all the same. The reason people feel Wiggins has more upside is based SOLELY on his athleticism; not his skill level. Jabari Parker has such and advanced skill set for his age or for any age for that matter. And what goes unstated is that Jabari CAN improve athletically which would make him even tougher to defend. With Wiggins you are "hoping" that his handle develops. You are hoping he becomes a better shooter. You are hoping he learns how to change speeds. What you know about him is that he is super athletic, can finish at the rim, and can defend. All the other things are things you "hope" he develops; which means they are not a given.
I am just so impressed with Parker's skill set. Yesterday he did the "Steve Smith" hesitation. He has step back jumpers, pull ups, knows how to post, can hit the 3, can get the rebound and lead the break, plays at different speeds... He simply has an understanding of how to play.
I do not see that with Wiggins and to assume he will acquire it is why people think he has more "upside". Not every great athlete becomes a great shooter or good ball handler. Paul George did develop late but Paul George was not a projected #1 pick out of high school. He stayed in college and was brought along with good coaching at the college and pro level.
Wiggins is supposed to be that guy "RIGHT NOW". And I will be frank... I see his athleticism but I do not see a lot of skill; although he does have some skill.
Right now Wiggins scores a lot of his points off the ball. I will watch more of Wiggins so that I don't make a rash judgment but I think the dismissing of Parker as not having upside is really a different way of saying he isn't athletic.
After all; that is what people mean even if they don't know it when they speak about upside - they are talking about athletic players who haven't acquired a lot of skill.
People talk about Wiggins like he is just a athlete and not a basketball player. Does he have a broken jump shot or is he right hand dominant and cant go left ? Being a good defender does court a lot in the NBA. I see Wiggins as the guy down the line in the future.
It has been summarized great above, the notion that potential and athletic ability are a pure 1 to 1 thing. Players who aren't AS athletic than others for some reason are seen as guys who can't improve as much as the guys who are athletic. Most cases (like this one) that is because the athletic guy banks on pure athletic ability to get his production, and so the idea that he can develop "skill" is much easier to predict than a skilled guy developing athleticism.
I am not saying Jabari Parker is going to be more athletic in 3-4 years, but he can improve every aspect of his game, and if he does, he could be near a perfect offensive player.
Wiggins needs to improve his game just to get to a point where he is a somewhat dominate offensive player. We haven't even seen Wiggins dominate with the ball yet. While plenty of the Chad Ford potential group will argue this is a positive, it really isn't. The best players in the NBA dominate the ball. The make plays 1 v 1, they score when they are covered, they make tough shots. Corey Brewer scores on leak out dunks and layups. Josh Smith uses his athletic ability to create plays.
You don't see Brewer or Smith level players just dominating guys 1 v 1 the way Parker can. People overlook that skill, which is a skill that rarely comes around. Everyone is hung up on Wiggins' athletic potential, but really, developing skill is a difficult task, especially when it appears his handle is nothing to fawn over.
And PS, to the OP, nothing you said really means anything. We know Wiggins is more athletic. Everything else you said is basically irrevelant.
It's funny how hard people try to "know" something they cannot know. Parker is better than Wiggins right now, but Wiggins *could* become the better player at some point. That's about it.
Of course, in a year or two, people will start saying that "I told you this or that, I was right". No you weren't; you tossed a coin and you won, nothing more.
I want to point out a couple of things.
1) The NBA game and the college game are two completely different type of systems and defenses. So thriving in one league, does not mean survival in the next a la Adam Morrison, Jimmer Fredette
2) There is a lot more spacing in the NBA as opposed to the college game. Defenses are more laxadasical and guys who have quickness, strength, speed, and athlethesim will eat out defenses. Michael Jordan.
my last point should bring home what I am trying to say...
Kansas has a team where one individual does not need to score 25pts a game to be great. They have multiple guys who can be the top dog any given night. Which is why i love that team and how unselfish Andrew has been playing. He is the leading scorer on a stacked team that is destroying teams. Why does he need to humiliate people? He is a humble kid that gets his offense in the flow of the game. Every time you see the box score you will be surprised that he even scored more than 10 points. Is this an issue right now? NO.. If you have read anything about him, you should know that when he is faced against good competition that he turns it up a notch. Just like the great players.
Jabari is also going to be a great NBA Player. I am worried about his defense, but besides that, the sky is the limit for the Chicago Kid. I feel that his game is almost flawless right now, which is amazing for a kid who is 18 years old. Imagine Carmelo Anthony without the attitude, and who passes the ball to his teammates? scary right. In my mind though, because of Wiggins Defense he will be a Scottie Pippen and just a great two way player. Parker won't even be second best in the class. Joel Embid will
Parker's on ball defense is a bit lacking, but nothing to be worried about. He's actually an incredible help side defender, and blocks shots more like a Center than a small forward. I think that ability shows that he's got a good feel for the defensive game, and should improve on his defensive footspeed as he matures physically.
I think Paul George is such a great example of why everything being said about HS/College players is so irrevelent.
He got picked 10th I think, and no one EVER thought he would be this good. He had everything Wiggins has, and everything many players before him have had. Athletic potential. He was a guy who honed in the skills to go with it. Many do not.