If you ask anyone, I believe that they will agree that Lebron has made some mistakes. In the way he made his decision and the fact that he mislead the cavs into thinking he was actually going stay. Do i believe Lebron feels bad for the city of Cleveland? Yes. Do I believe that if there was a do overr button, that he would press it? Yes. But the main mistake in this whole disaster, is that I feel that he should have went to Danny Ferry and Dan Gilbert and said, "hey man, I we don't win the 'ship, I will seriously consider playing elsewhere with better players. I feel that he should have given the franchise some indication that he was leaving. What Melo did may come of as being self centered, or pushy, but in reality, he gave Denver the opportunity to get compensation. They may not have a closer or a superstar anymore, but they have ateam that is deep as hell. That team reminds me of a younger mavs minus the super star in Dirk and all the experience. I am not comparing playing styles, but more amount of quality pl.ayer. I believe Dwight is leading hte Magic along the same path as Melo, although I do believe the window is still open for a chance that Dwight may resign.
To adress the main topic, many people don't hate Lebron for the fact that he took his talents to South Beach. Part of the reason is that he paired up with the 2nd and 20th best player in the world, but the main reason is that we feel robbed. I dont want to act like I expect more than what he already does, but the guy is frickin 6-9 with shoes, 270 pounds, stronger than EVERYONE out there, faster than EVERYONE out there and can jump higher than EVERONE out there. (next sentence in stephen a smith voice)There should be no excuuuuuse for why he does not put up 35-9-13 every single game! He is god given in EVERY SINGLE WAY! He does not even have to put in any work to be the best. I am not quesitoning his work ethic, but do we hear stories about how dedicated he is? No. We hear how dedicated Kobe, MJ, Dirk, and Isaiah, are just to name a few. Do we ever hear about Lebron shooting around in opponents areans hours after the game ended? No. Have we EVER seen MJ's teamates quit on him during a game, no. Has that happened to Lebron, Yes, game 5 and 6, Boston last season. They never quit on him because they were AFRAID of him. Kobe chewed into his teamates after the game 5 loss in Boston last season, result? They win the tittle. When Sasha Vujacic could not control his temper last year in Phionex, and he almost ended up costing the Lakers the game, Kobe looked like he was going to kill him. (Sasha got traded later that year, I wonder why?) Lebron has the guts to mock an opposing player after a loss. even when he was clutch in the Coston adn Chicago sieres, he is making fallaway threes. Not quality shots. When Lebron has a bad game he goes 3-11, or 5-15, or 4-13. That tells me sonthing. When Kobe, MJ, Durant, and Rose have bad games, they go 9-27, or 6-24, or 1-8 from three. They take more shots because they have confidence in their shot. Not to say Lebron doesn't, but he needs to stop deferring, and take it to the rack. Instead of taking a fallaway 27 footer over Peja Stojakovich, coudn't he just take two dribbles left, crossover, by Peja, one two, dunk. That is what Durant did on his dunk over Haywood if you remember. The Mavs tried so hard not to let Peja switch on to Durant, and when he did, they paid the price. With James, it is looking like he doesn't have the DESIRE to take to the rim and dunk on everyone. I hope James works all summer, becomes more agressive, develops a killer instcint, and shows the whole world that he is the best player on the planet.
He's just a saint.
And don't disrespect Peja!
I was not disrespecting Peja, and in honor of Peja, here is this.
And of all people, it had to be Lebron lol.
I agree with what you are saying that Lebron doesn't have the killer instinct. Lebron has all the ability in the world to go out and fill the stat sheets every night. No one stops him. No one can stop him. HE STOPS HIMSELF. He is a lot more willing to involve his teammates than other great scores in the game. Thats not a bad thing, but thats what is keeping him from clearly separating the rest of the field behind him. He's clearly better than the rest of the NBA but with his personality on the court and his unwillingness to display the selfishness that most great scorers possess, he allows comparisons to be made. Kevin Durant, Kobe, Dwayne Wade, Melo, Derrick Rose are all top tier players but neither of those have the ability of Lebron on both offense and defense. On the other hand, all these players are legit shot takers! They dont care about taking 25-30 shots a night. They will shoot themselves into a rhythm. You will never see Dirk stop shooting. You wont see Kobe and Durant stop shooting. Bron has to get the killer instinct and stop deferring to inferior players. I agree. BUT THE SCARY THING IS, HE'S ONLY 26!
espn showed the stat about how many more points Kobe avgs NBA FINALS than Lebron... but for some reason they forgot to say that Kobe also avgs 2 times more shot attempts than Lebron in the FINALS. Wow!
@MagicKnick, I do agree taht that is a contributing factor, but that is not the sole reason for why he gets booed in every single part of the country other than Miami.
I dont knock Lebron for not having a killer instinct, to me he has always been more Scottie than Mike. And you know what, there is nothing wrong with that. Lebron is a great passer, with great vision, and very unselfish on the court. The media and fans knock him for not being Kobe, or Mike, but whats wrong with being Magic or Scottie?
I think Lebron left Cleveland because he knew he was more Scottie than Mike and he doesnt have a problem with it. Very few players have that Killer instinct, Iverson, Jordan, Wilkins, Kobe, Miller. These guys would take on anybody anywhere, alone, but they are far and few. Magic, Kidd, Scottie, and Lebron are killers of another nature. They can affect the game without taking a shot. While I very much dislike Lebron, I will say he never said he was Mike.
Lebron's excuses for why he was ineffective during times of the game, or people's excuses as to why he can't develop into the player we all thought he would be. Seriously guys.
Truth be told, you shouldn't hate anyone at all.
Second: I like how we keep forgetting how this guy improves on something every year. The year before last year, they said he couldn't shoot, so he improved his three point range. The year before that, people said he was a ball hog, up goes his assists. This year, he became one of the best defenders in the league. And people said he was a sub par defender before.
In all honesty we should just keep watching the guy grow. I mean, wasn't Dirk a choke artist for many years? Lets just say he choked and be done with it. Give me plenty of negs, because I still don't see any other guy, that even on a bad night, has a triple double. We know who Lebron is, and it would be foolish to assume he doesn't have killer instinct. This isn't something that you're given. This is something you develope. Again we forget that Dirk and Kobe weren't the greatest closers until technically later in their career where they now close out teams with effective scoring.
Agreed, big champ 12, but when he was 20, and scored 27 a night, didn't we say that was also scary? Now he is 26 still having the same stats, with the same result, no jewelery
true enough... but I think he will have his jewelry in due time
I think he is the best player in the league,
but gave up on being a fan when he used the race card to explain why people didn't like him!
but thats just me.
My reasons for not liking him:
He's a great player and he's not on my team. I root against all great players who are not on my team. Until lebron puts on a laker jersey he can suck it along with Jordan, iverson, rose, dirk, and anyone else considered great and wasn't on my team.
Similar to reason 1, lebron is compared and has been compared to Kobe for a long time now as best player in the game, thus I hate him.
He's egotistical. It's one thing for the media to shove him down our throats, but you can just tell with lebron that he is arrogant as hell
He doesn't work on his game enough. He hasn't made the jump in shooting or posting up that he should have by now. I mean 17.8 ppg in the finals and 3ppg in the 4th quarters and routinely passing the rock without putting pressure on the defense has nothing to do with hatred. Thats just good old fashioned not bringing it.
@SakitSaPuwit, I agree with you, so does Stephen A Smith, but not Skip Bayless. This was hilarious live, I wish you guys could see Stephen a Smith's facial expressions.
start at 26:00.
I hate him becuase of his personality, If your going to say something stick to it, dont come back and say well what i meant was... when you clearly justing changing your mind because everyone is yelling at you(contraction comment, I hated cleveland as a kid, the decision,and list goes on). He has amazing talent but is still immature as hell at 26 the prime of his career, not saying he wont win a ring because he's still young but cmon man he sets himself up for all this backlash.
I don't know about hate, it is a harsh words but there were plenty of things that he did that the media blew up and adored because he was so beloved by them. I love watchin ball, not all that drama they bring to the game. Lebron with all that in game dancing on the sideline and the pregame showboating, I believe was a big factor in why some people didn't like him. The same media who know bash him loved him doing all that stuff. Imagine if Kobe was dancing around doin all this and that. He'd be eaten up alive by the media. Lebron is a great player but he's more of an athlete than a baller. He's so big, powerful and quick which makes him an impossible check but he doens't have the greatest basketball skills. His movements aren't fluid. Besides all that he's still great. I can't stand him cuz to me it looks like he loves attention. It was all positive now almost every media member has turned their back on him and he's not handling it very well which is why right after the finals he made it seem like he's better than us cuz hes rich. Dwade is a baller and he turned hollywood like noahs said but he handles the media so much better. Lebron needs to be a bit more humble and appreciative of everything. What no one ever mentioned is that Lebron got the team he wanted in Miami...but if he really wanted, he woulda gotten the team he wanted in Cleveland. He's teh greatest player if he wanted someone on the team he shoulda went to management to get the players he wanted. If he wanted STAT they woudla had him but he didnt'. So they got jamison instead. Theres a long list of stars that go to front office and demand players to better their team rather than leaving to go and assemble a team the way the heat did. Jordan was gonna retire if they traded pippen for tmac. Kobe woulda left if they didnt give him help. Lebron couldve objected to the trades and signings the cavs made. Instead he let them build a team they felt was built to feed of his game and they blame the cavs ownership? Lebron shoulda said something.
I agree, after the finals Lebron did not handle the media well at all and he did say some things that he should wish he could take back. But actually I feel like Lebron has handled the media well his entire career... Even in games 2 and 4 he handled the media pretty well. He has never really taken shots at people although MANY PLAYERS have publicly taken shots at him. Lebron always brushed it off or responded with compliments about the guy or by saying things like "It's all in competiveness." On the other hand, Wade has always been more publicly arrogant than Lebron James. Both are two cocky players who know that their much better players than most other guys, but Lebron is always the first to give credit to other guys of oppsing teams. In my opinion he was due for a media outlash. But I agree he was still wrong. ABOUT HIM AND DA CAVS...
I started not to like him when he was dancing during a meaningless blowout against Chicago in the 09-10 season when the Bulls were floating around 500 and Cleveland had the best record in the league.
I started not to like him when his Cavs were playing my Wiz in the 06 Playoffs. First, he travels on one of his game-winning shots against us, which isn't called. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wd0lqbXVRyQ&feature=related
He also went up to Gilbert Arenas while he was shooting his free-throws in Game 6, which might have caused him to miss both, which cost us the series.
I also really dislike him because all the antics he used to pull in Cleveland. All the pregame fun, and the dancing during games just really annoyed me.
And the guy's arrogant. He has a "Chosen 1" tattoo on his back and he basically self-proclaimed himself the best as soon as he got into the league.
But these are my personal reasons. Didn't mean to disrespect the LeBron fans here. It's my opinion, and I hate him for different reasons than others. But basically all Wizards fans hate him.
I once had a basketball coach who said something that I think should ring true with LeBron. He said "You are the only one that can stop you." Yes he doesn't have that killer instinct.. But let's face the truth, he's easily the most physically gifted athlete anyone has seen in years. He has worked on his game and worked on all the things that he CAN work on. But he is missing the most important thing in any athlete. In football, scouts always talk about if a QB has "it". LeBron simply does not have "it". He doesn't have the mental strength to push past haters, to block out negativity completely, and as we saw this Finals, he simply cannot close out a game by himself because he does indeed lack the killer instinct needed to have the confidence to knock down any shot from anywhere on the court.
One great example lies on a table in my room. It's a Slam magazine with Derrick Rose on the cover that says "Derrick Rose wants to be MVP, No Bull" He had the confidence going in to be the best in the league and he went out there and proved it, that he was elite. Now where they ended in the playoffs is another story, but that's besides the point.
The thing he needs to take away from this season is not that he failed. He certainly did that in a number of ways including letting down thousands of bandwagon fans, choking in almost every Finals game, and falling short to a team that was very beatable. The thing he needs to take away from it is that he isn't HANDS DOWN the best player out there. There are players out there that work their asses off and reap the benefits. There are other players that skate through their careers getting by solely on their God-given abilities. If he wants to win, which is why he went to Miami in the first place, he is going to need to learn that he needs to work his ass off too regardless of how good he is already. At some point he needs to swallow his pride and say, I need to work on this because it's the worst part of my game. And if he sets an attainable goal and works to reach that goal, I think we could see an entirely new LeBron; One that can change the game to his liking, regardless of if its game 7 or a regular season game.
And for the record, I'm an absolute hater of LeBron, but you got to give him some credit for being able to (somewhat) deal with all the drama throughout the season along with playing under a microscope the entire time.
ok come on we all know there is a double standard for Lebron because he was supposed to be the next MJ.
When Kobe passes to a open teammate instead of forcing up a shot in the clutch which he rarely does anyways, we all applaud him for "making the right play" but when lebron chooses to pass the ball to a open teammate instead of taking a shot in the face of a double team, hes being passive.
When Lebron guarantees multiple championships, hes hated for being arrogant yet when Jason Terry gets a tattoo of the championship trophy no one really cares. Btw does anyone really think Lebron was serious when he guaranteed "not 6, not 7" championships? If so why is no one hating on Tyson Chandler for saying the same thing in the Dallas celebration parade?
When Lebron carries the team when Dwade is having a off game but fails to carry them all the way through the clutch, hes blamed for not being able to close the game. But when Dwade carries the team on one of Lebron's off nights and yet fails to come away with a victory, its Lebron's fault for not producing enough.
As one of the guys above said, if he was never billed as the next Michael Jordan, we would all be fine with him. Why cant we just look at Lebron James as the player he is?
I really feel that LrBron deserves part of the criticism he recieved just because he didnt perform like the best player in the league. But for the most part, people have no reason to hate Lebron. Its all sort of a domino effect. It started with the media and some of the former players and legends voicing their opinions, and fans just hopped on the bandwagon. People who dont even watch basketball say they hate Lebron. Thats all nonsense. I also agree with the Jordan talk. Lebron is nothing like a michael jordan. he has never even attempted to play like mike. His style and everything is all his own. Kobe, on the other hand had always modeled his game to that of Jordan's, from the walk, to the jump shot and all. Kobe is the closest to MJ. But LeBron is definitely the closest to Magic we will ever see. But he's much more intimidating. Another Point, D WADE! What you said is so true... Lebron takes all the blame when the heat loses. D Wade, for some reason, is sort of like the angel for the heat. When he struggles, the media downplays it. But if its LeBron, then it is magnified.
I don't think in his prime Kobe passed to any of his other teammates in clutch moments. Jason Terry didn't announce on live tv about his tattoo and he isn't nearly as arrogant like Lebron is. Chandler was obviously mocking Lebron, seriously how did you not get that? Lebron is supposed to be a superstar and part of being a superstar is closing games not passing to the guy who is having an off night. We are looking at Lebron for the player he is. He is a good player who is arrogant and rubs people who aren't fans of him the completely wrong way and has to always be in the media spotlight, he is a good player but chokes when it matters most, and now he is pouting because he failed and now has egg on his face.
Just like Kobe, Lebron expressed his concerns about his team to the cavs management several times throughout his years with the cavs. While LA went went out and surrounded Kobe with All-Star level talent guys like Lamar Odum, Pau, and Artest, (all guys who are atleast top ten at their position) Cleveland brought in Mo Williams, and Jamison, 3rd option players at best. Yea Mo made the all star team one year but he is not an all star guard in the NBA... Jamison did nothiing in a cavs uniform. They couldnt even give him a legit big man to work with. BIg Z and Shaq were both old. Lebron REALLY ASKED FOR AMARE STOUDEMIRE... Phoenix agreed... But the Cavs didnt want to give up J.J. HICKSON... he's a good player but he's not nearly good enough to turn down a trade for Amare Stoudemire, a top tier PF/C in the NBA. Lebron did all he could for that team. I dont even see why Dan Gilbert's so bitter now. Shouldve gotten a young Superstar Amare Stoudemire heading into his prime. Instead you kept a 22yr J.J. Hickson who will never be an all star. Bad Choice... you made Lebron's decision for him...
His I am better than u attitude has doomed him. His Jay Z attitude has doomed him. People actually wanted to love Lebron, he did this himself. It is on him. Hope he never wins one so he has to deal with this 4 ever. If he came to Boston like llperez said I have a feeling I would overlook some things, but for now. F#ck him.
Reasons for my hate...
1. Selling out against your hometown. I would love nothing more to be able to bring a title to my home city. I think leaving Cleveland, especially the way he did, was a bit premature.
2. The Decision
3. Attitude- if you watch during game 6 there, the national anthem comes on, and dude has the nerve to put on a thug mug for the camera like hes some hard ass. Then after dunks or lil runs, he has to puff his chest out, strike a pose, or put on a thug mug. Punk mothafuca.
4. Lacks that killer instinct that I love to see in players.
5. His stupidity...seriously man, you could drive to the bucket everytime and either get fouled or throw it down if you wanted to. But no, he's gotta pull up and try to look like MJ with his jumper which is pretty ugly.
6. Holding CLE hostage...I think it messed up that he waited that long to let CLE know his true intentions. It really prevented CLE from improving in the offseason and taking strides towards the era without LBJ.
7. "The King"...yea ok
@Big 12 champ, he will get jewelery in due time, but look at how frickin loaded the team is. I understand that their roster other than the big three is no that great, but the two best players in the game on the same team! This is why we hate them, they will eventually get his ring, unless they absolutly misuse their talent.