Why is Philadelphia getting so much hate for Tanking?
It's not like we're constantly at the bottom of the league, or haven't tried to spend money(Iguadola and Brand got paid here) or tried to make trades that benefitted us(Andrew Bynum just blew in everyone's face)
so why is it that the One Year the 76ers attempt to recoup some talent, we catch the Flack from the fans and the Media, flack that should be directed towards the NBA for creating a system where Big Market teams can out spend and lure any and all Superstars to their Team(Boston, LA, Miami and New York know a lot about this)
Which big name free agent signs with Utah or Milwuakee in 2014 or 2015? How does Philadelphia lure a guy like Kevin Love away from the likes of the Hollywood Lakers and the South Beach Heat? How do they out market New York, Chicago or Boston? The Texas duo of Dallas and Houston proven they're willing to spend and Free Agents are willing to leave other Big Markets to go there.
Dont direct your dislike or contempt for leagues policies and infrastructure towards the Philadelphia 76ers for playing the hand the NBA and it's Super Team and Super Star driven system have delt them. For years we tried to be competitive and what did that get us?
Don't be mad at our Team for trying to do the same thing Seattle/OKC did when they traded Ray Allen and Rashard Lewis for draft picks, while they took it on the chin for a few years and walked away with Durant, Green, Westbrook, Harden and Ibaka.
BTW, thank you Sam Hinkie for trading Jrue Holiday for young potential All Star PG in Michael Carter Williams and also getting a potential defensive force at PF in Nerlens Noel, now complete the offseason by drafting the Scoring SF with that Top Pick(Parker or Wiggins)
The season will be a distance memory if we can find the right players in the 2014 and 2015 Drafts
I think it's more for fielding a team that, as of late, has been MCW, Thad Young, and the D-League select. They can't help that they've had to deal with injuries, and they're doing the best they can to address that through call ups....but when Jarvis Varnado and Elliot Williams are your 6th and 7th men, you're gonna get some flack.
at least they are playing mcw. milwaukee is tanking and not even giving giannis big minutes. seems like they could tank and have giannis play a more expansive role at the same time. especially when they are sitting henson and mayo for adrien and sessions.
Elliot Williams? He was a former first round pick with one of the bigger upsides in his draft. He was cut by the Trailblazers after missing two years with a shoulder injury. When he played he showed promise. I wouldn't criticize anyone for trying to develop him.
That's my point, dude. I have nothing against Williams, but when your playing a guy like him 20 mpg that's not exactly putting your best foot forward. It's not uncommon for non playoff teams to bump up minutes to younger guys and sit vets the last 20 games or so, but I think the backlash comes from the amount of fringe type guys playing major roles.
i personally am uninterested in Philly tanking, I was just giving my opinion as to why I think they're getting flack for it.
Philly went from a play off team to a lottery bound team in a couple of seasons, I don't blame Sam Hinkie for it as it really started with the Bynum/Howard/Iggy trade where apart from surrendering Iggy the 76ers lost Harkness and Vucevic.
The key let down for Philly in this trade was Bynum coming off an All Star 18/11 season never played once for Philly and they ended up in the lottery in 2013.
I don't believe that Philly chased a Jrue Holiday trade as they had extended him in 2012 and he was an all star in 2013, I believe that NOP made what Sam Hinkie considered a reasonable offer so he accepted. There is still a big issue over what Noel can do in the NBA but MCW is a leading ROY contender and the trade likely nets Philly another lottery pick this year. So with Holiday only having played 34 games for NOP this year, it looks like a good deal for Philly at this moment.
I think Philly picked up a lot of negativity by trading both Turner and Hawes for smallish returns. Both were out of contract and Hawes was an unrestricted FA so the returns they could have got for them were limited. I think that Turner has divided opinion on here and that moving a 25 year old who was a 2nd draft pick for what was a salary dump effectively with Grainger caused most of the negativity. When Philly didn't renew Turner last year they limited their options and if Hinkie wasn't prepared to pay him around $8 to $10 million going forward it was perhaps best to get what they could for him. If Pacers was the best offer or only one they got then they really had to take it.
I don't detect this massive flood of disdain for the Sixers for tanking that you are observing in the national media or on this message board. Maybe people just like to complain about being victims of ridicule? The negatives they're getting about losing 26 consecutive games are inevitable. Guess what? When you challenge for a record-low performance, nobody is going to compliment you. I think other organizations (and fans) completely understand the incentive for tanking. They're not being insulted for the tanking approach, they're being insulted because lousy basketball teams get insulted.
And what is this obsession with whining about losing out to "big market franchises?" The Spurs are the pre-eminent NBA franchise in the past 15 years. San Antonio is about as small of a market as there is. Oklahoma City has been in the finals and the WCF the last two years. Indiana is the top seed in the east right now and made an NBA finals appearance 12 years ago. The Lakers and Celtics are AT THE BOTTOM OF THE STANDINGS right now. The Knicks might not even make the playoffs.
I am from Cleveland, a medium to smallish market. We had LeBron for seven years. We failed to win a championship, not due to being in a small market, but because the organization just failed to accomplish the goal, both on the court and in the front office. I will not blame it on, "Our market's not big enough, woe is us!"
1) Losing is entirely against the spirit of all sports. The fact it's happening on purpose shows how out-of-whack the NBA is. 2) Tanking affects more than just the losing team. Turner goes to the Pacers and Granger ends up on the Clippers... now tanking has affected the playoff teams. What if Turner makes the final shot of the playoffs? Also, some tankers could have had respectable records and now when they play the top teams, but now if OKC plays more tankers at the end of the year, they may end up with a home court advantage... which is huge.
Hey, I'd like my team to lose and get a better draft pick, but you ask why people are upset and it's pretty obvious.
This has been one of the most obvious tank jobs in history. I'm a sixers fan and even I feel it's been a pathetic display. It was obvious by their opening roster last fall that they weren't even going to try. That said, I have zero issue with them parting ways with Hawes and Turner and not getting much back in return. They weren't part of the future. If a team has an issue with Turner beating them with a shot in the playoffs just because the Pacers didn't give up much for them, too bad. EVERYONE knew Turner was available at the trade deadline, you should have made a better offer than the Pacers.
Because it's an embarrassment to the team, players, fans, the city, and NBA as a whole.
Side note: Only 4 times since the inception of the lottery (1985) has the team with the best chances at the #1 pick actually gotten the #1 pick.
Another point is that Philly have loyal fans who have had to endure the 26 game losing streak, how many will renew their tickets for next season unless Philly makes major moves this summer via draft and perhaps a decent FA or two.
Grandma above makes a good point, lets say Philly slipped from 2 to 4 on the draft after the lottery. At number 4 on a lot of mocks we have Marcus Smart, Philly cannot really take him as they already have MCW as their long term PG I assume. This could also rule out Kyle Anderson and possibly Dante Exum so Philly are then almost pushed towards Randle or Vonleh.
Thankfully the Bucks hold the worst record and the 76ers can only fall to 4th at worst and can win the lottery at best.
Hister makes a good point about having to spend some money here in the future to appease the fans who have been on board with the rebuild (We are clearly envious of the Thunder and Spurs) we would love to turn this around sooner rather than later, realistically we are going to be bad next year but we'll have added a potential franchise player with the Top 4 pick and a few other prospects in the lottery(Via New Orleans and our own in 2015)
2015 will be a year we can chase a free agent to play with these young guns(Kevin Love would be perfect)
Funny, I got negged a lot for saying whoever picks Noel will try to tank.
No-one knew exactly how long Noel would/will be on the shelf for but taking him was almost like leaving a drafted player overseas but with the downside of using up a year of his rookie deal.
If both Philly and the Bucks didn't get a top 3 pick via the lottery then Philly could fall to 5 with the Bucks at 4 but hopefully this doesn't happen.