Why NY is the best place for CP3
The Market! Yes, the NBA would love CP3 to go to NY. Think about the main teams the NBA wants to be relevant. The Biggest markets for the NBA are
Houston, Dallas, New York, Los Angeles, Chicago, Boston, Oklahoma City ( on deck)
The Knicks are the worst of the bunch but they are rebuilding up the roster. I think the NBA would benefit from Chris Paul coming back to the Knicks. Not only because Paul would be pushed to a bigger stage but the Knicks would now be back into the limelight and when the Knicks are good, the city cares even more and that's even more revenue from the Atlantic region.
Here's a good trade for New Orleans, Oklahoma City and New York
Why New Orelans would do it: First off, 2 1st round picks are going back to NO. They have that, Jeff Green and Danilo Gallinari are two good fowards with high upside. Wilson Chandler is a good starter if you wanted Thornton to be the bench player. Curry, Azubikie and Collison is 19 million coming off the books already combined with New Orleans have 18 million already coming off the books with Peja and Songalia coming off the books
Why the Knicks would do it: Chris Paul. Posey is nice, he will be a solid role guy. The Knicks are stripping the roster but you know what? The Knicks could find guys in FA to fill roles ( McCants, Tim Thomas, Earl Barron, etc) Paul and Stoudemire plus the fact they will be in the running to sign another max player in 2011.
Why Oklahoma City would do it: Okafor's numbers dipped because he moved out of position from PF to C. Okafor moving back to Power Forward helps the Thunder inside and they gain a banger. Add Okafor to Aldrich, Ibaka, White and Mullens
doubt oklahoma would do it. Okafor is a bad contract any wya you dice it and giving up jeff green is probably not high on their list.
But the knicks and hornets are getting solid pieces. Could see why both those teams would do it.
1) The Market was why you thought LeBron was going to the Knicks. Plenty of shirts still available. http://cgi.ebay.com/Lebron-James-Lebron-New-York-Knicks-T-Shirt-XXL-2XL-...
2) New Orleans isn't accepting an offer where they take New York's garbage. "Please take our 29 win roster, and give use your best player."
lets be honest there are much better options for okc if they wanted to deal green and okefors contract is terrible
oh yeah, and when did oklahoma city become one of the nba's biggest markets? Truth is, while the nba would love to see top markets do well, NY is gona be fine regardless of the economy. Its just as likely the nba wants to see small market teams that are struggling get a superstar so that could boost attendance where there is not as much money.
I put Oklahoma City on deck as a market because they have that middle of the country spot. With a improving roster, they could control it.
What if you substituted Okafor for David West?
Both teams played hard, I know you hate the Knicks so it doesn't matter to me. First off the market wasn't the selling point for the Knicks so you got that WRONG.
LL, I disagree.
The Knicks market is fine that's correct but if you actually give them a winning team? That area would be BOOMING.
So bascially the Hornets give up 2 of their 3 best players for 4 small forwards and expiring contracts? Also, Okafor played C in Charlotte.
Okafor was most dominant as the PF in Charlotte. He played spot C for Charlotte near the end.
Jeff Green is a combo forward. He could either be a starter of a 6th man and still thrive. Gallinari is a spot on shooter. You add that to the fact New Orleans will have Wilson Chandler who could be another bench player, they Keep Darren Collison, Marcus Thornton and David West to the 30 plus million coming off the books.
The Hornets could would have a high draft pick, 6 solid players and cap space for 2011. How is that not ideal?
Other then Portland's potential monster offer- This is not bad.
It sounds to me like this thread should be titled. "Why CP3 is best for NY" not the other way around. You made more of a case as to why NY should get CP3, but do you honestly think that CP3 would be closest to winning a championship (which is what he is looking for) on NY?
Green is a small forward playing out of position, so it's either him or Gallinari starting at the 3, then 3 bench players playing the same position.
1 franchise player for 1 decent starter and 3 bench players that play the SAME POSITION.
As much as I would love to see CP3 play with Amare, it's not going to happen as long as Portland is interested in CP3, at least with that offer. They'd probably have to take on Okafor or Posey's contract and send Randolph and Danielo.
but do you honestly think that CP3 would be closest to winning a championship (which is what he is looking for) on NY?
Yes because ( I'm not biased) if Chris Paul comes to NY and joins Amare Stoudemire- Carmelo Anthony will be joining them if Denver doesn't win a championship. There's a reason he picked NY and that's why. To join Amar'e and potentially Melo.
Think about it- Why would Paul say he wants to go to NY if there not even a 45 win team ( Something I will admit)
That trade doesnt make sense for thor Hornets.
They drafted 2 small forwards in the first round, and they trade for four more?
And it doesnt make sense to trade West too, that team would be awful.
Fastdan, a couple of things about Portland
We don't know how good this Portland GM is. I wonder what his value is for the current roster. They have the pieces but I wanna see how Portland values there players.
Green has experience as a PF so you can call him a combo forward. If New Orleans ran a small lineup- Green could play the PF. If I was New Orleans, you should get back pieces. Even if you take that deal, who says they don't look to move Green? If they do this, they're getting a top 6 pick so they can look for there next star there.
Also, Gallo played some 4 last season in NY, if he NO wants to be a fast, offensive team similar to Phoenix, Gallo or Green can play the 4
And it doesnt make sense to trade West too, that team would be awful.
I clearly said substitute West for Okafor
Maybe it's me but if Jeff Green could be a super 6th man for New Orleans, why is that bad?
If Chandler, Green are two solid bench players for New Orleans how is that bad?
Why do Knicks fans think that the entire NBA should be their farm team... is it because they are "gods team". Every player should want to play in New York because it's the only place in league where the checks clear. LOL
Never said the NBA should be the Knicks' farm system. If Chris Paul never listed New York as a team he would like to go to- It would have been brought up from Knicks fan.
If LeBron said NY was never gonna be a option- NY wouldn't have made LBJ to NY post
If Melo never said he was interested in NY- I would have never brought it up
If Parker and his wife never were interested in NY- I would have never brought it up.
I only talk about the superstar who said they would be interested in playing for NY. Sorry man.
the amount of knick threads every time a player is a free agent or talks about being traded that come up are getting old. Its making people on this site turn on the knicks and then the knick fans act like everyone is a hater when in fact there is no reason for anyone to hate on the knicks, a team that hasnt been relevant since the 90's
Eh, it doesn't matter to me. I think it's the fact NY has been struggling is the reason people don't wanna hear about them. People could hate NY, I don't care. I make Knicks post but I like to discuss all things basketball. I don't only comment on Knicks stuff. I feel I could go in depth will all teams.
I allow people to rip NY, just realized what they had to deal with in the front office.
The only way NOR would do it with us is if we offered them major cap relief. The best way to do this is for us to offer them Douglas, Chandler, Azubuike, Turiaf, and Currry for Paul and Okafor. All of those knicks players are in the last year of their contracts. This would provide the hornets with over 21mill in relief next year and a very high draft pick. In the end if the Hornets draft well they could end up rebuilding within the next 2 years. As for this year the lineups would look like this....
I forgot all about Turiaf, he could provide 4 million dollars more in cap space for New Orleans.
It's not that people hate the knocks it's people being realistic. The fact is players don't want to come to the knicks as much as fans think. They had two max slots and they came away with just Amare who was like there fourth choice. They havnt been good in years and no one has been breaking there neck to come there reguardless of there overrated history. Why do I say overrated. Because they have won two titles in there history and that was about fourty years ago. I can understand why some may not like the knicks because some of the fans on this site say every free agent wants to and will play for them
Stars will take less to play in ny because they will make up the money off the court
lebron is gonna come
bosh wants to come
Joe Johnson wants to come
tmac will take less money
if a player wears a Yankee hat they wanna come
some fans just think the knicks are the top choice for every single team but the fact is alot of good players havnt asked to be traded or join the knicks. And if a player says they like new York the city or have the knicks on there list then all of a sudden there are a bunch of knock fans post saying they are in the lead for the player or it's a done deal
with all that I can uunderstand why some may not like the knicks. And they aren't the most up and coming team
or the team with the best rostor so they aren't the nest option for Paul or other star players. Portland Houston Dallas Orlando even the clippers and the wizards (mention them because mello said he would like to play back home)
Turiaf has 4.3mil player option for next year so...
CP3 is probably a top5 player in the league, and if you think you can get him in salary dump with 6th, 7th, and 8th men then I'm not sure if you should be posting here...
Heres what Portland has (assumng Roy, Aldrige, Matthews, Batum, Oden, and Camby are untouchable, which may not be the case):
Andre Miller's expiring deal of 7.2mil
Joel Przybilla's expiring deal of 7.4mil
First round picks every year.
Now obviously all of these would not be packaged, but NoLa would have their choice of picks, proven young players, rookies, and expiring deals of players who can actually play.
Here's what NY has(assuming only Amare is untouchable, and that the Hornet's wouldn't be interested in Felton because they have Collison):
Eddie Curry's 11.2mil expiring deal
No first rounders till 2014
Less young players, no picks, and less expiring contracts, also of which a guy who's played 10 games in 2 years, instead someone who could actually contribute.
Also I see a big difference with Portlands depth they could lose 4 of those players and it wouldn't effect their team much because they would have 7 very good players in Paul, Roy, Aldridge, Camby, Oden, Batum and Matthews. Where as if NY gave 3 or 4 of their players it would be devestating to their rotation because they are so thin. Do you think Chris Paul wants his starting SF be Landy Fields? No. He specifically said eariler this year that if he were to be traded he would want to be on a contender, and would not want to bulk of the talent being sent in exchange for him.
NY fans have to start realizing that players want to be in a location that is wheather friendly and not paying HIGH taxes is very important.... and New York doesnt meet those qualifications... there is a reason the "new big three" are playing in miami
You guys keep saying that but then why do these players have interest in NY? It's not the fans making it up. Chris Paul has stated he wanted to play for NY. Carmelo Anthony has said in the past he would like to play for NY.
I think your getting mad about a issue that doesn't make sense. Knicks fans aren't saying " Durant to NY? D-Howard to New York?" I never say anything like that. I only talk about players coming to the Knicks who actually have been previously discussed by other about having interest in New York.
Did CP3 not have New York on his list? Did Melo not say he was interested in NY? Was Tony Parker not linked to NY? Did LeBron not meet the Knicks in Cleveland? Stop me when I'm wrong here.
i think these players simply mention N.Y b/c what better way to get ur name out there and up front in all decussions... the most media outlets? N.Y..... to me that is probably the number 1 reason every player mentions n.y with really no intension of ever going there.. except amare who everyone knows is a 3rd options on a championship team... and what did he say again" once n.y mentioned 100 million i was gone!" not the guy u want leading ur team
Lebron also met with the Clips sooo....
Lebron, Boozer, Johnson, Bosh, Wade all showed intrest and none were ever close to signing. Of course they are going to have 'intrest' in NY. It's probably the best city in the world and the owner has no problem with throwing around money. But the fact is they just don't have the assests like other teams have. It's time to face reality Knicks fans. There's a reason why you went 1 for 6 in big free agents this year.
You gotta have more then intrest to make 50 threads a day about something. I've got intrest in joining the knicks, I think that deserves a few threads, right?
That's clearly NOT the case because there's been 10 player I know as FA or buyout dudes who wanted to join the Knicks. If your logic is correct: Why didn't Kobe Bryant, Amar'e Stoudemire, Ricky Rubio, Stephen Jackson, Monta Ellis, Al Jefferson, Paul Pierce , Kevin Garnett didn't even mention New York when they wanted to be traded?
First off, Amar'e Stoudemire is a number 2 on a title team. You saying number 3 makes me sure this is less about basketball and more about bashing the Knicks. I'm cool with it but please don't make yourself look stupid.
That's another thing that confuses me: If you don't wanna discuss it, why even comment on it?
You could easy say " Not another Knicks thread" and keep it moving but yet, you come on and comment on it.
If you want the fire to go out, pour water on it. Not Gasoline.
Gasoline would be saying 'yaaaaaaaaa CP3 MELO D12 JORDAN MAGIC TO THE KNICKS!!!'
Water is 'stop being a fanboy, it's not happening'.
so, stop being a fanboy, it's not happening.
Theres a reason why you never got Garnett, Pierce, Ellis, Jackson, Jefferson, Kobe ect. It's because you have terrible managment who signs bad contracts, can't draft and gives picks away.
The key word is mention. They all mention the knocks but over the years how many go there. Some knock fans think mention means they are going there and history shows that's not tru. It does mean they are on a list but don't mistake that for meaning they wil go there for sure. None of the fans for Portland Dallas or lakers ate saying. Yeah our te
makes the most sense and so and so is coming here for sure
Water is 'stop being a fanboy, it's not happening'.
That's your opinion. He's listed the Knicks as a team he would like to go to. So HOP off my sack and relax. This isn't a made up thing out of my head. Chris Paul has interest in NY, NY has interest in CP3.
When did I ever say it's a 100% lock he's going to New York?
Correct me if I'm wrong, I could have sworn I said 10 times already Portland could offer the best deal.
Of course he's interested in NY no one is denying that. What we are debating is that the Knicks will have the best offer for New Orleans. You seem to think they do, but I think people living in the other 49 states would disagree.
He said he would consider playing for the Knicks, not that he thinks they will be able to put together the best package for him. It's up to New Orleans to pull the trigger, not him.
What we are debating is that the Knicks will have the best offer for New Orleans. You seem to think they do, but I think people living in the other 49 states would disagree.
Sigh- "Other then Portland's potential monster offer- This is not bad"
I said 1000 times, Portland potentially has the best offer.
you are all saying that OKC wouldnt do this trade, i see jeff green as a solid small foward but durant is on that team and the reason why OKC lost to the lakers was one reason. SIZE the lakers were too big and okafor gives them size..they dont care abotu contracts right now, they r lookign to win not to rebuild like the other teams trying to keep their salary low
i tweaked the original trade from this thread, what do you think?
New Orleans is getting some prospects, Thunder is getting size and the Knicks are getting Paul
It's not bad but other teams can offer something better
i agree that teams can offer better but theres one thing that everyone isnt realizing,
Where does Paul want to play?
It sounds like he really only wants NY, so anywhere else, he might not be happy and he will leave in 2 years anyway.... Portland, might not want to take that risk by giving up all that talent for just 2 years of Paul then they have to rebuild, AGAIN ....Paul has the power bc he has 2 more years and can go wherever he wants at that point and it might not be worth it to take the chance
The opne thing is with Portland they can offer him a LOT of money.
They can offer a max deal.
I think Orlando is the frontrunner with Carters huge expiring contract though.
im sorry but i have to disagree with that.... amare only brings it on one half of the court and anyone that knows anything about ball knows its the other half that matters more... see lakers/boston
and if melo was to join the knicks(not really going to happen) so in ur knicks imaginary world a team of cp3/melo/amare who is the 3rd option on that team?? and to be honest that team probably doesnt even make the finals
Yea, I think Amare is a 2nd option on a title team. People are overstating stuff because he's a Knick. Funny how I NEVER heard anything about the Knees before he signed with NY. Now? OMG, NATIONAL ISSUE!
I think most people will tell you if the Cavs added Stoudemire last season, they would have made it to the Finals.
Also, Ray Allen is not a great defender, Derek Fisher is not a good defender. You can have one defensive liability on a title team
Yea, if Melo/CP3 and Amare joined together- He's the 3rd overall option. I don't know if they couldn't make the finals because we don't know the rest of that roster.