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Why Minnesota needs this 3 way deal to go down

If your the Minnesota Timberwolves, you almost want this deal to go down for MANY reasons. The biggest reason is, you don't need the 2nd overall pick. You need some veteran players who can come in and change the culture of this team. If I was David Khan, here's what I would do (AFTER this deal was done)

4th overall pick, Darko Milicic and Micheal Beasley for Andre Iguodala and the 17th pick

- I give Philadelphia cap space, youth and a top 5 pick. Darko, even though he isn't a superstar, is a good backup center in a weak center league. Beasley got it, somewhat, last season. Andre Iguoodala gives us a legit face for the franchise, the 17th pick is something we can hold on to for a little bit.

Kevin Love, the 20th pick for Ben Gordon, 2011 2nd round pick and 2012 1st round pick

- If I'm Khan, I have to move Love. Simply put, he wont resign in Minnesota after his contract is up. Move him while his historic rebounding season is fresh in many people's mind. With this deal, you get a great 6th man in Ben Gordon, a additional 2nd round pick and a 2012 1st round pick, from a team not a lock to make the playoffs.

8th pick, 17th pick, Ricky Rubio, Anthony Tolliver and Anthony Randolph for Josh Smith and a 2012 1st round pick

- The biggest question/gamble/convincing move. If your Atlanta, your at a mood point. You got knocked out. I throw you 2 potential all stars, a solid brusing big man and 2 draft solid draft picks, with a lot of interesting talent. Do you jump at it? Well, As David Khan, I throw it out there.

At the end, here's my starting lineup

  • Jonny Flynn
  • Wes Johnson
  • Andre Iguodala
  • Josh Smith
  • Nikola Pekovic

I might not have the greatest bench, but I have 5 guys that can play ball. Flynn needs more time, and you have a good backup point guard for him in Luke Ridinour. With free agency, I can go and look for some depth up front, among other things.

Thoughts?


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wow

thats way to much for Josh Smith, way to drastic of moves. NO WAY PEKOVIC CAN START. pretty farfetched ideas.

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wow

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Great ideas.

I really like the trades proposed, it ought to make getting the #1 pick a cinch for the next ten years.

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Essentially you are giving up

Essentially you are giving up Kevin Love for one of the worst contracts in the league Ben Gordon, please tell me this was an attempt at humor

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Essentially you are giving up

Essentially you are giving up Kevin Love for one of the worst contracts in the league Ben Gordon, please tell me this was an attempt at humor

So flipping that to a 2012 1st round pick from a team not certain to get into the playoffs was ignored?

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That team is way worse then

That team is way worse then the one they have now and they could get so much more in all of those trades then what you have them getting Love right now would be worth at least two 1st rounders and then you trade the 8th pick, 17th pick and Rubio for Josh Smith and next years Hawks pick, while Rubio maybe be an unknown factor right now he is still a top prospect and could probably pull in Josh Smith on his own and maybe more. I also don't see Iggy worth the 4th pick and some, he is complementry piece not a star he's not a scorer but more of a jack-of-all trades master of known type, glue guy if you will. You might as well just take Kawli Leonard at 4 and get similar skill set from somone who hasn't maxed out on potential.

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Oy vey

You put WAY too much value into mid-late first round picks than they are worth. Yes, there have been players chosen at these picks who are very productive NBA players, but they are seriously few and far between. So, when you trade Kevin Love for a future first round pick from Detroit, the odds are you are not going to get the production of Kevin Love (a former 5th pick) in return. You trade for an awful contract in Ben Gordon and a high second round pick that gets you even less in return on average.

Look at last years second round for instance. Landry Fields was the only player that really provided any significant contribution. 1 out of 30 picks in the second round had what would be considered a good rookie season. Sure, there are guys who have some potential, but the odds are, not very many of them are going to have too significant a contribution besides being role players.

You obviously missed when this was posted:

http://www.82games.com/nbadraftpicks.htm 

When you are picking outside of the top 5, your odds of getting a good or great player are reduced incredibly. Outside the top 10, those odds reduce even more. Yes, Kobe Bryant was the 13th pick, Tony Parker went 28 and Manu Ginobili went 57, but they are drops in the bucket. So, when you are the Bulls with 28 and 30th pick, odds are, you are not getting much help.

Also, Love is going to be a RFA, which means he is either going to re-sign for a few more years, or they will decide when the want to ship him, and will undoubtedly get a better deal than that Detroit one. How does the Iguodala deal you suggested save them money? Iggy makes 12 per year, Darko and Beasley combined make less. Plus, that is way too much for Iguodala, though at the same time I have a feeling that you are overvaluing the pick.

Also, that is INSANE how much they would be giving up for Josh Smith. That would be a terrible value trade, especially when they already have a PF they could very well sign for a few more years in K-Love. When you have a player that is a Restricted Free Agent, you are in the drivers seat. So, even if Kevin signed with a different team, Minnesota would match any deal and retain his services in a second. All they have to do is put up the qualifying offer, which they will, and Love will either have to wait the extra year and wait too become Unrestricted, or what he will likely do is sign to the Timbies for 3 years or so at 8 figs. That has been the trend.

David Kahn has not been a great GM, but he has not made deals like these. Do your research, because it seems that it has not been done here. Iguodala and Smith may both be better than Love and Beasley, but that is widely unknown and they would be giving up way too much for two players who have yet to crack an All-Star team. Not to mention, Pekovic has yet to prove he can "flat out ball" as a Center. Honestly, they would be better off keeping the second pick than doing any of these trades. Back to the drawing board.

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I might have puked reading

I might have puked reading the opening post.. I think once an initial post hits -10 points, the thread should just be deleted..

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wow you value josh smith more

wow you value josh smith more than your average nba follower...thats an insane amount of quality you want the wolves to give up to get a 15 and 8 type player

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I'm tempted to crack a David

I'm tempted to crack a David Kahn joke about the trades but I'll just say that these trades won't happen, plain and simple.

You are receiving too much hate in my opinion but they're just bad trades.

Must...resist...David...Kahn...Joke...

Kahn would want Craig Brakins, Ben Wallace and Zaza Pahclulia the other players are too good for him!

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cant be seriuos

he could have been being serious with that stuff at all wow

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April Fool's!! Wait.. you're

April Fool's!!

Wait.. you're serious..?

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"I have 5 guys that can play

"I have 5 guys that can play ball"

You weren't really talking about Pekovic, right? C'mon, where's Ashton?! Am I on Punked? No, seriously?!

Wait.. I'm not on Punked?..?!

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With your starting 5 you will

With your starting 5 you will be the worse rebounding team in the league, not to mention who is your primary scoring threat?

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Yesterday on the Mc Dunkin

Yesterday on the Mc Dunkin celebration post, Dan Eboy expressed his desire to open up another acount where he would post the most ridiculous trades and what not. I think this is is up. About those trades, You are getting LESS than pennies on the dollar! If trading Love for a bad contract, undersized 2 guard, bad attitude, a chucker, is your idea of rebuidling, than I seriously reccomend you take an IQ test or something, because you are dangerously stupid. Even Kahn times 2,342,343,254,352,342,342,423,423,525 isnt stupider than this! Its like trading Kim Kardashian for..................... some dead fat a**!

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It's funny, once the

It's funny, once the negatives start piling up, the person that made the thread never comes back to defend his point.

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It's funny, once the

It's funny, once the negatives start piling up, the person that made the thread never comes back to defend his point.

I'm right here, I have no problem with it. People disagreed. It's cool.

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Damn dude! you asked for all

Damn dude! you asked for all the negative publicity once you attached Love's name to a trade. Can you say FRANCHISE Player?

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I could defend this entire

I could defend this entire post if you want.

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I'll break it down in 3 post

I'll break it down in 3 post for each trade if you want.

The Andre Iguodala Trade

Philadelphia is a team that's at a mood point. They went playoffs, to lotto, to playoffs again. Two reasons have been the contracts of Andre Iguodala and Elton Brand. While Brand is a untouchable contract wise, Iguodala is a overpaid second man, possibly even third man. Thaddeus Young even showed up last season, he's younger and probably won't cost you 40 million. Moving Iguodala would cost you less money, gives you a 6th man and a backup center and allows Evan Turner to develop opposite Jrue Holiday.

4th overall pick for Philadelphia- Enes Kanter, C, Kentucky

Minnesota gets a player who can be a solid piece of the franchise. For Philadelphia? He doesn't mean much, but for Minnesota, he provides a strong defensive player who can score and provide some late game stability and a leader.

17th pick for Minnesota- Lucas Norigoea, C, Brazil

To be honest, If I had to edit this deal, I would make sure Spencer Hawes, or another post player go back to Minnesota

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The Kevin Love trade Detroit-

The Kevin Love trade

Detroit- Plain and Simple, you get a frontcourt mate with Greg Monroe

Minnesota- It's a tough sell for Minnesota, but here's my thinking on this: There isn't many players on Minnesota that they can get from Detroit. Of all of them, Ben Gordon is probably the best on there who can provide something. In terms of 6th men, he could be one of the best for the team. You also get a 2012 1st round pick. Even with Kevin Love, Detroit isn't a lock for the playoffs ( Chicago, Miami, Boston, Orlando, New York, Indiana, Philadelphia, Atlanta, Milwaukee and Toronto are probably better talent wise) and that pick could be in the lotto. So it's basically a 6th man and a 2012 lotto pick for Kevin Love. If that 2012 draft all it's cracked up to be, you can probably find a really nice player there.

If I could change it, I would probably ask for another cheap player, maybe even Charlie V

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DNYCE-esque thread.

DNYCE-esque thread.

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The Josh Smith

The Josh Smith Trade

Minnesota: For all the weak draft talk, I was kinda surprised that is was too much for Josh Smith. Anthony Randolph had one really good game, and we're right back on the potential train? Ricky Rubio struggled in Spain, and picks are picks but I digress. Josh Smith is a interesting cat, could throw a fit defensively and could make a MONSTER 3 headed combo of Johnson, Igoudala and Smith.

Atlanta: You get the 8th and the 17th and potentialy 2 starters for him. That could help if Atlanta grabs a cheap piece in FA that can increase the rotation.

If I changed this, I would remove Anthony Tolliver from the deal.

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You mean "moot" point

Still, I am not sold on your defense of these trades. It almost seems like you have a hard time yourself selling these trades for Minnesota. You claim Andre Iguodala is possibly a third option type player, yet you are willing to trade the 4th pick, a decent Center on a deal that is not terrible and another guy who is probably a third option. Even throwing in Spencer Hawes, this is a bad deal for Minnesota for the most part. Not to mention, Philly saves little to no money, despite your insistence otherwise.

The Kevin Love trade sucks, plain and simple. Kevin may not be a franchise player, but did you not read anything I said about him being a RFA? I guess not, but Ben Gordon and a random lottery pick are pretty risky for a guy who is the face of the franchise and an All-Star. Plus, the chances of him signing with Detroit are not great either, think of that before just trading him away? I think Minnesota could do better.

Finally, the Josh Smith trade is just trading way too much for a guy you really have no idea if you can build a team around. He is a third banana, and while he is a solid defender and a fantastic athlete, he has severe offensive issues that were fully taken advantage of during the Bulls series. Why trade all of that young, economical talent for a guy making 8 figures who is not a franchise player? You do this twice (Iguodala and Smith)! Yes, Atlanta made it to the second round, they even looked alright, and they probably would not be much better right away with this trade, but they would have a lot of young assets while the Timberwolves would be at the "moot point" scenario.

You need to do more research when it comes to draft pick function and salary, not to mention the actual basketball ability you would be giving this team. Ben Gordon would be their one shooter, but even he is inconsistent and somewhat of a defensive liability. Plus, your starting line-up would have some solid defensive acumen, but who puts the ball in the bucket? All of them have multiple offensive deficiencies. Plus, I know you will for some reason get angry, but when you spell a players name wrong while trying to make them seem like a good pick (Nogueira: "Norigoea"), it definitely makes it seem like you do not really know what you are talking about. If I called the potential number picks in the draft Darius Wilkins and Carry Ervins, it just is not a good look. Do your research, you are on the internet, if you do not know a fact for certain, look it up. Goes for anyone in that situation.

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