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WHY THE MIAMI HEAT NEED TO AVOID 1 TEAM IN THE EAST

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WHY THE MIAMI HEAT NEED TO AVOID 1 TEAM IN THE EAST

The Miami Heat will most likely be the number 1 seed in the East but there is one team who has all the pieces to defeat the Heat. Who's that? The Boston Celtics.

The Celtics have all the pieces to create a letdown in south beach. Here's my breakdown.

Big Men- The Heat will most likely get another 2 big men back but do you wanna hear the Celtics big men? Jermaine O' Neal, Kendrick Perkins, Glen Davis, Kevin Garnett and a possible return of Rasheed Wallace. Since Chris Bosh cannot play defense, imagine those 5 and thier different games going at him. I don't think he can play the versatility of Garnett, the pick and pop of Wallace and O'Neal along with the gritty tough play of Perkins and Davis. Plus, Perkins could be coming back slow. He will most likely come back in December and could hit a stride in the playoffs.

Wings- LeBron James is a stud but Paul Pierce has had his number the past two playoff series against each other. Pierce has had great games against LeBron and should be able to repeat the trend. D-Wade will defend Allen so it will depend on the pick and pop Allen can do.

Guards and Bench: Rajon Rondo vs Chalmers? No contest. Rondo will win that matchup. The Benches could be sticky. Like I said with the Bigs, 3 of those bigs will be on the bench. Miami will have Mike Miller who can score. Boston will have Avery Bradley, who I expect to take Tony Allen's exact role there as a defender. If Boston could add another bench wing ( Ronnie Brewer?) I think Boston would have the complete advantage.

I don't know about you but I think Boston vs Miami could be a terrible matchup for Miami potentially and could knock them out.

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im not sure if you watched

im not sure if you watched the series against the cavs..i may be a lil off but i recall by game 4 that paul p was only averaging 13ppg on under 35% shooting. lebron was playing very good defense on him if i recall

but i agree boston has a better team if they sign just min guys...its gonna depend on who they get to fill out there roster

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paul pierce

Paul got worked by bron. It was Rondo and the bigs that murdered the cavs. The big debate as I recall was moving James off of pierce onto rondo because he had been so effective limiting pierce on offense.

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Yep. Lebron shut down Pierce

Yep. Lebron shut down Pierce completely. Ray Allen can be shut down esily too. Rondo will be doing his thing as usual but Chalmers in no slouch on D. KG will be dominated by Bosh. Perkins and any C the heat will have will be a wash, a player with solid D but not much on offense.

i think the Celts would have a tremendously hard time guarding ther Heat.

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Yep. Lebron shut down Pierce

Yep. Lebron shut down Pierce completely. Ray Allen can be shut down esily too. Rondo will be doing his thing as usual but Chalmers in no slouch on D. KG will be dominated by Bosh. Perkins and any C the heat will have will be a wash, a player with solid D but not much on offense.

i think the Celts would have a tremendously hard time guarding ther Heat.

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I'll be honest I think this

I'll be honest I think this is the year age catches up with the Celtics

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you took the words right out

you took the words right out of my mouth pierce couldnt even play offense from being worn out from playind defense but at least he took a break on offense and not defense that shows the celtics hve hearts of champions! who would do that on miamis team? I feel next year the celtics wil still be the better team and bosh isnt ready to play the physical ball the celtics big play

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i dont agree that allen can

i dont agree that allen can be shut down easily.. its not easy chasing him through screens all game long. it takes alot of energy on defense to do that

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Bosh will never be ready for

Bosh will never be ready for physical play because Bosh is a soft player

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Stanford, you talking to me?

Stanford, you talking to me? I said we will see what Allen can provide on the pick and pop. I don't think Wade would shut him down.

My bad y'all about the Pierce thing. I thought Pierce had a solid series in 2010 after he had a great one in 2008 vs LBJ. My bad, should have looked it up.

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I think Chalmers is not

I think Chalmers is not starting

I see it as Wade pg Miller sg Lebron sf(acting point guard on offense) Bosh pf Haslem or some random big

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no jammin said allen can be

no jammin said allen can be shut down easily

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allen is done!! he is the

allen is done!! he is the reason why they lost the championship. besides game 2 he had a terrible series.

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IMO the Heat would love to

IMO the Heat would love to RUN through the Celtics, I dont think they NEED to avoid Boston...

Lebron would SHUT DOWN PP and PP is gonna have issues with a motivated Lebron.. If Boston cant defend Wade w/o Bosh and James, how are they going to defend him with Bosh and James... I think Wade can handle Ray Allen if Fisher can guard Allen.. The Heat would be smart enough to lay off Rondo.. The Celtics big 3 are a year older and slower... Boston isnt build to contain the athleticism of a team like Miami... Oneal is a BUMB (see: Celtics series)... Perkins may or may not be 100%... Overrall the Heat would win in 6...

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yeah thats what happens when

yeah thats what happens when you are playing against a good defense of team like the lakers and you have dfish checking you(as long as you arent a quick good point guard)

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Celtics are done

They went all in this year, they will be gassed.

The way I see it is who is going to Guard Wade. All you guys think about is Lebron, but Who is going to guard Wade. They lost Tony Allen, Rondo isn't strong nor good enough on Ball. Ray Allen would get TOASTED off the dribble by Wade. You need to Factor in that Jermaine O Neal can't jump or run anymore, Garnett will be veryyy beaten up after this year, as is Perkins, and both Ray Allen and Pierce showed signs of age in the playoffs. I dont think the Celtics can be as good this year as they were last.

The reason they beat the Cavs was the Gang defense they played on Lebron, but you can't double team Bron and Wade. I think the only teams with a shot right now are the Magic if they can control the paint, and the Lakers who might just be straight up better. Id like to see Artest on Bron, Kobe on Wade, Pau on Bosh.

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they have awhole summer to

they have awhole summer to rest and they well rest the big three for most of the regular season so i think they will be fine.

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the celtics could be better if

Dan Gilbert wants to get back at lebron, and facilitates some dramatically uneven trades.

but right now the celts need 1 more big and an athletic wing type, who is young enough to run with younger teams.

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How I remember the series

How I remember the series against the Celtics Lebrons was having his way when his team was knocking down shots but when they missed Lebron was able to do less. With Wade and Bosh, Lebron will never be able to do less.

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As a Celtics fan it hurts to

As a Celtics fan it hurts to admit that your wrong. Yeah, the Celtics are probably the favorites for an upset, but lets be honest. It goes way past just the skill level. How many fouls do you think LeBron, Wade, and Bosh are going to entice on other teams? They may not seem like the best defensive team, but they are so athletic that they can easily neutralize any size advantage that's put in front of them *lakers vs. thunder?* Even a defense or just bad game, shuts one of them down any other star of the 3 can go off and have a huge game. I just don't see how this team will lose.

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lets see

well idk its going to be a good series if it happens .........wade trying to chase allen on them screens is going to take something outta his offensive game.............same reason why pacers could never get wat they needed outta miller vs pistons cause he had to chase hamilton all around and it wore him out...kg vs bosh ........if kg can limit him and with the bigz that celtics have i feel they can contain bosh...the key factor here is bron ...who on celtics can matchup with him ...cause paul pierce can not guard him

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Wait wouldnt Allen have to

Wait wouldnt Allen have to check Wade, I think that might make that sweet stroke of his a lil flat...

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Why did you say Bosh cant

Why did you say Bosh cant defende.Playing D and being soft are 2 different things.

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I think the Magic would be a

I think the Magic would be a bigger Match-up problem for the Heat. They need a 5 who's able to defend DH 1on1. Shaq would fit perfectly, he played great D on Howard the last season.

Against the Celtics KG will be the key factor. I think Bosh rly improved his D. But it will be tough. If Bosh plays solid, I don't see much problem for the Heat though.

LBJ will shut down Pierce.
D.Wade will play tough D on Rondo.
And Chalmers is quick enough to chase Allen.

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Rondo will have to defend

Rondo will have to defend Wade. However, Wade would be forced to defend Rondo, because he would get too tired chasing Allen around. Chalmers on Allen gives the Cs an advantage, Ray will use his savvy and superior conditioning to get his. However, I think KG would destroy Bosh. They say it takes two years to fully recover from the kind of surgery KG underwent, so if they can keep his minutes down by giving Ticket Stub more minutes he'll be right there for the playoffs. A healthy KG beats Bosh anyday. Bradley could come off the bench and guard Wade, height isn't so much of a factor because Wade is undersized too and Bradley has a huge wingspan.

It will be all about managing minutes for the Celtics in the regular season. I think that this first year Miami won't win it all, simply because they will still be adjusting to each other and Spoelstra isn't the coach that Rivers is who can juggle all those egos. Either Lakers or Celtics will be the team to beat Miami, barring any major injuries.

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all i can say

all i can say is ....It will be exciting to watch you can bet that and for some reason i just feel alot of people dont wont to see heat win instead of the bandwagon fans jumping on heat side ...im seeing alot of people saying they woulkd like to see heat not win it all ......

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Yeah I can see Miami becoming

Yeah I can see Miami becoming the new Lakers, you either love them or hate them. I'm guessing most will hate after they've been carrying on talking about winning more than 6 championships. Now we just need a catchy chant... Beat The Heat has a nice ring to it.

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let the heat beat boston

let the heat beat boston first before we all say they are going to win it

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Celtics will be tough...

However, their are a few things I think you are overlooking. You say that Paul Pierce has had LeBron's number, and I say that is about as far from the truth as possible. LeBron thoroughly whupped Paul's behind this year, even when he was less than 100%. Paul had a good, not great game 5, where LeBron played horribly, but other than that was just thoroughly outplayed in every way possible. LeBron may not have been himself, but Pierce was not even existent. Paul Pierce even goes on record saying he cannot guard LeBron James, and LeBron if anything has his number. Surprisingly, the player who played the best defense on Bron in the Celtics series, Tony Allen, is not even on the team! So, if you are saying that a healthy LeBron James at 26 will have to worry about a 33 year old Paul Pierce, after this past series, I say you are dreaming. Besides that, their are two other major differences. Also, while Rajon Rondo will win the match-up vs. Chalmers, it will more than likely not be the land-slide it was in Cleveland where they had a great perimeter defender guarding someone fast as lightning. Even if Rondo embarasses Chalmers, than I think Wade will take the task very seriously and Chalmers will run screens with Ray Allen much more efficiently than Mo Williams. Chalmers, if you recall, is not a bad defender, and in a way is sort of similar to Rondo, just not as athletic and with more of a jump shot.

Now, as bad as you say Chris Bosh is at defense, he is not as horrible a defender as say, Amare Stoudemire. Plus, his length alone will do more to bother Kevin Garnett than Antawn Jamison could ever dream of. Add to the fact that Bosh will not just drift along the 3 point line the whole game, even if he takes 15 foot jumpers, they will go in at a nice clip and KG will have his work cut out. I would not be surprised if it was a close match-up, as KG is an incredible competitor, but I give it to Bosh at this point. Chris Bosh is not a slouch, and he has some fire to him. The Jermaine O'Neal signing is kind of an insurance for Rasheed, who I believe is hurt, and Jermaine has had issues of his own. Perkins will be coming back from injury, and I expect Baby will be prepared, so their bench could indeed be a problem. But lets wait and see who is actually on the Heats bench before writing it off completely. Many people wrote off Boston's bench in 2008 when they got the "original" Big 3, and I think their bench was one of the big reasons they won a championship. Posey, Powe, Davis, House, Sam Cassell and even PJ Brown were representing. Their bench is still not bad, and we all saw the headaches Nate Robinson provided, I would not sleep on him. But I could see the Heat getting some decent pieces, and they have some players who have been battle tested and match-up with the Celtics quite well. Haslem is a tough SOB and a winner, and Mike Miller should fit in quite well. Plus the minions of other vets who are willing to take the minimum their for a chance at a ring seem to be rising. Juwan Howard played quite well for Portland last year, and he would be a good person to have against Boston, who is not getting any younger either.

With all of this being said, the Heat, as much as they have invested in 3 players from scratch, which is what is giving people the idea it will be impossible not to have to sign someone working at the Gap to back-up Chris Bosh, they may indeed not have a horrible bench. Their draft picks could be promising, though they will more than likely not be huge contributor's, but a lot of people wrote off Big Baby his rookie year as well. Dexter Pittman is a big body and a player with a lot of potential and Jarvis Varnado is a major shot blocker. If either of these guys finds a niche, they could provide something nice. The biggest problem with the team would be injury, but with all of their young players, it would be hard to predict it happening. My final point is, what about the Lakers bench? Does it not seem that other than signing a great back-up PG in Steve Blake that they still have major depth issues? If they get Raja Bell that will be a very nice move, but I am talking about their front court. The reason they had to play Andrew Bynum even though he was obviously in a great deal of pain and almost as much of a liability as a help is because their back-up big men are even more of a liability. Josh Powell barely plays, and DJ Mbenga just seems to have a strange looking head. They have yet to address this problem, and if they think Derrick Caracter is the answer, well, good luck with that. Not saying Derrick was not a good pick, especially as late as they drafted him, but does he have any more chance of contributing on that team than Pittman or Varnado do for the Heat? Some may say that this problem has obviously not been too evident, as the Lakers 2 rings in a row will tell you, but that was without a team with the potential caliber of talent that the Heat bring.

I agree that we will have to wait and see how the Heat choose to mold their new team, but the prospects have to at least be in the back of these teams minds. This has not been the first time great players have played together, and in the past it has not been foolproof. But, judging by what these guys have done when they have all played together, I would not expect the tell tale signs of egotism to rip this team apart. Did it rip the 2008 Redeem Team apart? Not to mention, their is no Kobe or Melo to have to give shots too, so LeBron, Wade and Bosh will at least get close to the touches they are used too. Right now, I honestly think that the people saying they are not worried about this team is just a premature reaction to the fact that their might be only 7-8 players on the actual team at the time. Once they have a 12-15 man roster, and play a few games, we will see if they are worried or if the Heat can expect to get that 5 spot again next year. I have a feeling Dr. Buss and Otis Smith will be worried if they meet this team in the post-season. I also have a feeling that the reason we have not heard much from the Celtics camp on the issue is that they did the same thing Miami did, with players who were not at the level of this new trio, and they seemed to work out just fine. Say it was because they complimented each other better, say it was because they had experience, but NONE of them had ever been to the NBA Finals. This team will have 4 players at least who have (Haslem, Ilgauskas, James and Wade). They are reaching their athletic primes and as much as people will be gunning for them, I do not see them backing down. The reason these players are so well regarded is because they have played at an extremely high level, night in and night out, and I do not see that changing due to them being on the same team.

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Boston vs Miami will be a

Boston vs Miami will be a terrible for Miami Boston is a tough rugged team that focuses on defense and as long as you play defense you will always have a shotThe Celtics will have the frontcourt advantage on the heat no matter who they bring in to pair with Bosh O"Neal, KG, Perkins, Big baby> Bosh also if Boston finds a way to neutralize James like they did in the Playoffs and forced him into one of his most pitful perfomances of his life if paul pierce manges to do a half decent job on Lebron and Ray Allen defends D-wade like he did Kobe in the 2008 finals the Celtics should have the advantage. Also do not underestimate the power of a veteran team who have played togther with Rondo running the show as one of the top 5 point guards in the game agsint Chalmers who is a back up at best

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