Why The Knicks are quietly the Favs for LeBron James
With the Knicks having a second meeting with LeBron James, you have to believe the Knicks are the favorites.
With Amare in thier backpocket, Gallo, Chandler, Douglas in thier hands and Curry off the books, the Knicks present the 3 things the King wants that he cannot get realistically in Miami, Chicago, Cleveland and New Jersey
- The Big Star, Big City Legacy
- The Talent
- The 3rd guy
The New York Knicks could offer LeBron all of that. The potential Legacy of winning in New York is similar if not bigger then him winning in his hometown of Cleveland. The Talent? We have with Amare Stoudemire, Danilo Gallinari, Wilson Chandler, Toney Douglas and Bill Walker. We also have the capabilities to move and add a 3rd player. Eddy Curry's 11 million and a 1st round pick? Could add a piece in there to turn into the 3rd guy LeBron would want.
Oddly enough I agree and I believe the best thing for basketball is for LBJ to sign with the Knicks. I really hope he teams up with Stat and earlier in the year I even said LBJ and Stat and Wade and Bosh. It started to look gloomy for NY for a while there but now it looks like they will get their guys and return to prominence in the east.
I will also add this
It could mean something.
NY will still need a C and a PG if they even wanna be a Top 3 seed in the East. Even then Boston could still be very strong.Isnt that going to be an amazing thing to watch, LBJ and the Knicks taking on Rajon Rondo and the Celtics for years to come.
If the Knicks get LeBron, he would be playing a Magic Johnson type role. It would probably be
I agree with canadakush on a point guard, but I think Earl Barron and Jerome Jordan will prove to be serviceable centers. If the Knicks can acquire either Tony Parker or Jose Calderon they're in business. Though having Lebron and Amar'e they are a top 3 team in the east.
You really think he will play the Magic Johnson type role?He said he prefers to play the 4 while he was in Cleveland.he obviously wont be doing that with Amare or Bosh.
If Lebron plays the 4 Amare can a 5 and Gallo can be a 3. Lebron is such a good passer that you really dont need a true point guard but I am sure that Knicks will use Eddy Curry Contract to get a point guard.
Amar'e would never play the 5 because he isn't physical enough.
they should make a push for goran dragic...offer that 1st round pick
i am starting to think that new york has a chance at lebron......but if your talking about surrounding him with tellent, dont put bill walker and toney douglas into the equation, they're role players
and if our talking of a James-Chandler-Gallo-Amar'e- Barron starting 5, and in that run and gun offense we're talking about one of the worst defensive teams in the league
You really think by having a 2nd meeting that ny is in the lead? I mean, it could be the case but a 2nd meeting doesent mean theyre the favorites
Dragic is PHX future i doubt they give him up for just a first rounder
I agree on the second meeting not meaning they are the favorites...but now they are saying that Knicks prez Scott O'Neill and Glen Grunwald went back to Ohio again today. And that Maverick Carter will be in New York to speak to the Knicks on Wednesday after Lebrons Nike Camp thing is over. Something is definately goin on...what exactly im not sure.
Lebron wasnt at the 2nd meeting, just his people
they wont have a bench consisting of players worthy of the nba and maybe have 3 guys worthy of a starting spot a bad city to go to if u ask me
if u starting barron u might as well surrender the season
that they are one of the favorite maybe not # 1 but up there.
What other team did they meet with for a 2nd time.
Doesn't mean they get him but they have a better chance than I thought.
I can see Bron pushing the rock in that system and running the pick and roll with Amare.
Barron as your starting center is pretty weak.. but Amare was the center for the run and gun suns teams.
Defense? what Dantoini teams plays D... I don't see a ship with that squad if they gets Bron untill they get a
good C and penetrator other than Bron. But they can contend and be one of the top in the east.
But they have to convince Bron first... the promised a billion dollars in the first meeting he oviously liked the idea.
Cavs insider on Twitter are saying LBJ is having another meeting with LBJ tonight.
Donnie Walsh has denied the meeting with Lebron tonight happened. Says there was a meeting yesterday with Leon Rose and Maverick Carter to further explain their cap situation....sounds fishy to me. You had to send MSG pres and vice GM to Ohio to further explain the cap situation? Couldnt do that over the phone? And Leon Rose is also Eddy Currys agent...so you would think he would know what the Knicks cap situation is like.
Toney Douglas would be the perfect PG on a LeBron James team.
He has the potential to be better than Mo Williams, especially defensively and in the clutch.
Amare isn't a good defender either.
nice to see everyone on the bandwagon
specially canada kush b/c few days ago he was bashing the knicks and saying how the raptors were better but now seems like knicks are hopefully going o be tile contenders while his raps are gettin nohin bak from bosh and his raps are going o be the bottom dwellers of the east i love it haha
The bron at point situation wouldn't work cuz he can't guard points they'll still need a point guard even if its just for defensive purposes but the guard should also not be a handicap on offense, the only guard I can think of like that is Kirk Heinrich
the knicks will need to get a PG and the only valuable player they have to trade is wilson chandler....if all goes well, and the knicks do get amare and Lebron, they still need a startign PG bc toney douglas is not a startign PG in this league...i was thinking, the knicks can trade wilson chandler and a pick for monta ellis, there have been rumors that a trade for monta might be happening but why add another team, just give chandler and a pick and im sure the warriors would do it.
Another idea for a PG is sign and trade david lee for one, i havent heard anything about that idea, any ideas of who we could get if we sign and trade lee and chandler together?
lebron wasn't even at the meeting
Toney Douglas is a good defensive PG and he can score.
Compare his rookie numbers to the rookie numbers of Chauncey Billups and Mo Williams.
In 12 starts this season, the rookie Douglas averaged 14.5 ppg. 3.4 rpg. 3.8 apg. 1.3 spg. 47.8% fg. 77.8% ft. 42.4 3-point fg.
Everything the Knicks would need in a PG next to LeBron James -- defense, handle, shooting -- Douglas can do extremely well.
i disagree, i just think tony douglas is a great backup PG, i believe Monta Ellis would be perfect in dantoni's system, douglas really isnt that type of one man fast break, playmaking Pg that Dantoni demands from his PG
obviously the knicks first option at PG is tony parker right now but i believe Monta Ellis would be a great fit if the knicks get lebron and amare
With LeBron James the concept of a playmaking PG goes out the window, because James is so ball dominant at his point forward position.
You need a ball dominant playmaking PG if you don't have LeBron James. If you have LeBron James, you need Toney Douglas.
Everything the Knicks would need in a PG next to LeBron James -- defense, handle, shooting -- Douglas can do extremely well. He was the fastest player at the 2009 pre-draft camp and tested as the strongest PG physically. He's a better defender than Mo Williams and will be the clutch player that Williams never was.
Guys don;t count out the fatty eddy curry, hes finally in shape and its his last chance to prove he can play in the NBA. Yes its true he has been a mess the past two years but in 08 he averaged 19 and 7 and was one of the most dominant centers in the league. I think he gets his act together with his career seriously on the line, he is in debt and knows how much another paycheck in the NBA means to him. Plus Barron and Jerome Jordan are decent options backing up Curry as ell, Barron showed he belongs in the league last year with them and Jordan is a big question mark but has size.
Main point people forgot is Lebron does not need a great PG, he doesn't need a Rose or even Harris. Ball dominating play making guards like him never have great point guards. When is the last time a player like Lebron had a ball dominating PG??? Bryant has Fisher and its more than enough (toney is a better, younger, better defensively version of Fisher btw), Wade has Chalmers and Arroyo, even Johnson has an old shell of himself Bibby, Jordan never had notable PGs either. Fact is for a player like Lebron he needs a solid defensive presence at that position that can shoot the ball and occasionally bring the ball up. Guess what!!! Toney is the EXACT mold of what Lebron needs, it really doesn't get much better than that. Gallo is an ideal #3 option on a team of Lebron and a top 3 big from the free agency, a 6-10 lights out shooter who can dribble and is starting to develop an inside game. Chandler and Walker would flourish with stars because they are athletic slashers that will egt to the paint with ease.
Point is no matter how much people want to hate on the Knicks, their roster was built for Lebron and a big. Talking of compliment players, Douglas may not be the best talent out of all the teams trying to get Lebron but him an Lebron would make a perfect team together and not clash. Had the Cavs had Gallo I promise you Lebron would have a ring by now. And they have 3 7 footers, one who is getting his career back on track, one who showed he can play and one with loads of potential. Whats not to like I dont get how people can say he can;t win in NY??
(4th quarter or overtime, less than 5 minutes left,
neither team ahead by more than 5 points)
Mo Williams 26.5 pts.
Darren Collison 31.2 pts.
Toney Douglas 35.7 pts.
Mo Williams 35.8%
Darren Collison 48.8%
Toney Douglas 50.0%
eFG% (JUMP SHOT)
Mo Williams 50.0%
Darren Collison 52.4%
Toney Douglas 54.2%
Below is the 48 minute eFG% vs. PG opponent counterpart.
Darren Collison 51.1%
opponent counterpart 50.1%
Mo Williams 53.6%
opponent counterpart 47.7%
Toney Douglas 57.2%
opponent counterpart 46.5%
excellent research, im almost convinced toney douglas can run an NBA team
Saw Toney Douglas in person a number of times, and the dude is an animal. Not flashy by nature or game, but he gave both my Canes and Tarheels FITS. He is big, strong, and fast for a point guard, perfect defensively and in Off-Ball scenario's. Good 3pt shooter, might become great. I agree, he isn't Derrick Rose, but Lebron wants a point guard who will stick his looks, be able to do something when called upon, and graciously step down when neccesary. Mo Williams was good in that role, I think Douglas will be a better player though.
I am not Knicks fan BTW, but can attest that people who don't really know Douglas' game and mentality and only go off his 2k10 rating or whatever people do now, dude will be solid and a starter in this league, or a bench weapon. Coaches want guys like TD.
Toney Douglas is good, the only problem is, can he stay out of foul trouble. in the month of March, where he played the most minutes.. he played 28mpg and had 3fpg. 1 foul every 9 minutes.
Lol... I can't believe this. You guys really think Lebron is going to the Knicks? Where he would be in a worst situation than if he stays in Cleveland?
So your point on why New York is the favorite for Lebron to go is because of these 3 reasons:
The Third Guy
Lets break down the knicks and see why this is not a good situation for Lebron. Big city, ok you got that big whoop. The third guy, Douglas is basically your poor mans Mo Williams. He was not that great in Cleveland so why would he want a poor man's Mo Williams. Maybe Gallo is your third guy, but he is just a young guy who plays Lebron's position. With Stoudamire he aint playing the 4. Maybe Stoudamire can play the 5, but I would much rather have a true center play that position. And Talent, the only talent the Knicks have is Stoudamire who just barely go signed to a contract. Why do you think they haven't been in the playoffs forever?
Now lets break down the other real possibilities using your three reasons, and we will see once again why New York does not deserve to have Lebron.
Big city, yep got that, Chicago with the legacy of MJ, I think Lebron will like that. The third Guy: Noah is a great center, and a third guy. He can the rebounds that Lebron misses, much like Varejao did in Cleveland. He can block shots and score. So he is much better Varejao. Stoudamire can do that too, except for block shots. He is more of a scorer than a defender, while Noah is more of a defender than a scorer. I think Lebron would take the defender. Talent. They have Derrick Rose who is an allstar in the making. He does not play Lebron's position, and he is not a poor man's Mo Williams like Douglas is. The Bulls are a playoff team without Lebron. With Lebron they would be a #1 seed and the favorite to win a championship.
Big City, they play in New York, so yep got that. They have a great new coach, Avery Johnson, an owner that has a ton of money, and is smart with it. Not to mention they have the third guy in Brook Lopez. He can score, defend, block shots, grab rebounds, and is young just like Noah. Who do the Knicks have, scrap. They just got Stoudamire during the offseason who I already mentioned is more of a scorer than a defender. Talent: They have a lot of talent believe it or not. I know they did not do too well this year, but we both know that Harris and Lopez played their bball this year but the rest of the team sucked. They now have a much better coach, who has already made it to the Finals before so he knows what it takes to get there. And not to mention they have an owner who is committed to winning and getting the talent to do so. Harris is also much better than Mo Williams.
The Nets and Bulls are much better places for Lebron to go. If he goes to the Knicks, I will not be a happy camper. I want Lebron to get a championship, he deserves it, but he aint getting it in Cleveland or New York. The Knicks are in a better position because of Stoudamire but not by much. Remember they have the Celtics to get past. You ain't getting past the big three with just Lebron and Stoudamire. The Celtics will find a way to stop both of them. Glen Davis is seriously underrated. If he went to the Nets he would also still have to get past the Cetics but the Nets are in a much better position because they have a young team, a great coach, and 2 allstars already without the Lebron. What do the Knicks have everything I just mentioned except for the 2 allstars without Lebron. A huge difference. Chicago or New Jersey would definitly be better choices.
Toney Douglass is a backup PG. Everything about his game is backup worthy. His best attribute is his on-ball D, a best attribute that usually is the calling card for a backup. He might be forced to be the Knicks starter because of how weak their PG situation is and how they don't have any defensive-minded players on their roster for the most part, but they'd be better off looking for a starting PG elsewhere. Douglas shouldn't be their PG of the future going forward.
Here are the points guards rumored to be traded or signed by NY
So the Knicks have some options here. I saw that the Warriors are definately open to a sign and trade for David Lee.
Toney Douglas is not a starter on most NBA teams. He is PERFECT for Lebron. Someone name one SG/SF of Lebrons caliber and play making ability that needs/has a play making PG???
Toney would be a better version of Fisher/Chalmers/Bibby. Fisher is also a back up on most teams, he just fits Kobe so much. Mo Williams is crazy overrated and was never a real PG either, Douglas can score just like Mo if he needs to, plays better D, has shown to be clutch in his short career single handedly taking over games and shows a lot more heart. This guy is going to be solid next to LBJ.
Iggy, people said the same thing of Rondo, and that didn't turn out too bad. All we need TD to do is be solid, and play his role and his game. He'd have very lil to no pressure on him like Rondo.
He should come to NY. Period. If he doesn't and goes to Chicago? He will have to win 7 titles? Do you want that pressure? No.
If he stays in Cleveland, who's his number 2 man?
The same NBA sources say lebron is down to chi Mia and nj as the favs. It's good to see ny fans still have hope but the chances he goes there isn't that good. Eddie curry is said to be in great shape it seems every year when people try to pump him up and Douglass is a back up pg. Just like Sergio ,who many knick fans claimed he was there answer as a starting pg. The knicks just don't offer close to what the bulls offer. And all reports indicate that the bulls or nets or cavs have the best chance. I havnt seen anything indicating that the knicks are up there.
As far as pressure I doubt he's too worried bout that since he has the bulls as a option. If it was about pressure then the knicks would be out of it considering all the pressure the fans there put on the team. Superstars tend to not worry about pressure
The knicks just don't offer close to what the bulls offer.
I have to disagree. Gallo, Amare, Chandler and Douglas are a better 4 then Chicago's 2. What if Chicago gets Boozer? Is Boozer better then Amare? I don't think so. I think LeBron goes to Chicago if he can lure Bosh with him or if Wade is going.
To me, if Wade stays in Miami and Bosh goes with him- Would LeBron really pick Chicago ( who at best would get a Boozer) or NY?
ok i might get alot of crap for this but im gona go out there and say it...since when did JOAKIM NOAH become such a good player? hes basically anderson varejao and i dont hear one person say Lebron should go to Clevland bc of anderson varejao i mean what is soo good about NOAH? he is an ok center in this league! Everyone sais that lebron should go to the bulls bc of rose and noah, i agree with rose being an elite PG but noah is not that good! any thoughts?
I think because he's a good starting center.
Like I said, I'll take my negatives if you show me where my logic fails me.
Noah averaged 11 points and 11 rebounds last season. Not many centers average a double double.