Why is Jimmer above Kemba? That makes no sense for the Kings
Okay I don't understand this. Since when did Jimmer move into consideration for a top 10 pick and Kemba dropped all the way to late lottery. I understand that Jimmer really impressed the Kings in the last workout and Kemba was expected to go head to head against him but he never showed up. But last I heard Kemba didn't show up because of a scheduling conflict not because he simply didn't want to play against Jimmer.
The Kings picking Jimmer really makes no sense to me because not only do they need a PG, but they need a PG who can pass. Not saying that Jimmer can't pass, but his passing I suspect has laid off and is a bit rusty since all he was asked to do at BYU was shoot for all 4 years. Why don't they pick Kemba who definitely can pass. That's what he had to do for his first two years at Uconn. Only recently did they ask him to shoot.
Jimmer to me sounds so much like Beno Udrih, or Ben Gordon, or JJ Reddick. Why don't the Kings pick Kemba who sounds like Raymond Felton. I have a hard time believing that Kemba stock dropped that much. And I highly doubt that Kings will pick Jimmer just because he is taller than Kemba.
Please explain this pick to me. Last I thought Kemba was basically a lock for the 7th pick because the Kings really need a PG and Irving and Knight were likely to be gone by 7. Wouldn't Kemba make more sense team wise too? I understand that Jimmer may be a top 10 pick but not 7. The highest I can see him going is 9 to the Bobcats.
Kemba is closer to Ben Gordon than he is too Ray Felton, Jimmer is a better fit for the Kings(Who I see trading up too get Brandon Knight)...Jimmer has better range and certainly can play off Evans and Cousins, Kemba would need more isolation plays than Jimmer to score in the Kings system...If you draft Jimmer at 7 , and the Jazz take Knight at 3, you could package Jimmer and Casspi for the rights to Brandon Knight, you basicly draft Jimmer in hopes you can get Knight from the Jazz(both are better fits for the opposite team)...I don't think Kemba gets pass the Pistons, he's another U Conn product and with Stuckey a FA he just makes more sense then reaching on a C like Bismack...
I don't see Kemba to Ben at all.
Jimmer fits better with Evans in the backcourt. He is a guy who can shoot, and will be less ball dominant than Kemba would be. Also Jimmer isn't a bad passer. If they pick him there it would be a good pick imo.
But I don't think Kemba will fall very far, I think there's a good chance that Toronto picks him at 5.
"I don't see Kemba to Ben at all."
Yeah, me neither..
Anyway, Kemba isn't a great perimeter shooter. That's the reason playing Jimmer with Evans and Cousins makes more sense. He'll have great open looks from three when Evans drives in or when Cousins is doubled.
It's like having James Harden and Russell Westbrook instead of Tyreke Evans and Russell Westbrook.
Jimmer and Tyreke compliment eachother very well.
Still makes no sense scarecrow. I know I'm not a scout but I don't think that makes a difference. Yes, Jimmer has better range than Kemba no question about it. But why would Kemba need more isolation plays than Jimmer would. He was asked to play off the ball for his first 2 years at Uconn. Jimmer was NEVER asked to play off the ball. He was asked to shoot and that was it. His passing may very well be rusty, and therefore he may not be able to play off the ball.
And I'm sorry but as a Jazz fan that deal sucks. The Jazz got the #3 pick. They can't just simply pass that up just to get Jimmer. Jazz are not totally in love with Jimmer. Kevin O'conner said it himself. He would not draft Jimmer just appease the Utah fans. He would draft him only if he fit with the team. And sorry if you disagree with me but Knight is a better fit than Jimmer. And Casspi would never replace AK. The Jazz would say no to that deal in a heartbeat.
In this draft, Kemba is a top10 talent; Jimmer definitely is not. I can see the Kings drafting Jimmer but if they trade down for him. I would take, Kemba, Kawhi, Donta M., Jonas over Jimmer hands down.
Kemba and Jimmer will be 6th or 7th men in this league. Its hard to see stars in this draft
Is a three point shot, if and when Kemba gets his 3 point accuracy together his career will look very similar to Ben Gordon's(which isn't bad when looking at Ben's impact in Chicago), Kemba isn't a pure point guard and I doubt he really wants to be, that's not exactly the player he's been and its no reason to believe he'll radically change his style to suit a lottery team that clearly lacks talent, he's a guy that needs the freedom to play up to his potential(which is very high if you look at him as more of a Scoring G that could win a 6th man award down the line) I'm going to take a hit because I don't see every highly regarded prospect as a Bonifide star, I think Kemba's ceiling could be a quicker Ben Gordon or Jason Terry(which is very reasonable and fair) let me hear some of you guys comparisons of Kemba...
Kemba Walker is a better passer than most people gave him credits for. He's a legit PG that can score and pass.
I would say he's similar to Ty Lawson. Ray Felton is also a solid comparison.
Thanks TOL23 and Jeff416. Now it makes perfect sense. Jimmer does fit better with Evans because now the lane won't be clogged up when both Kemba and Evans try to drive inside. Now you one person who drives inside (Tyreke) and he can kick it out to Jimmer who can let it rain from beyond the arc when Evans runs into double teams down low. Tyeke can't do that with Kemba. Because he is not a great shooter from beyond the arc while Jimmer is. I'll have to make the changes in my mock. Now I can see it working! Thanks for your help you two.
Exactly. No problem
Tounge-out I here what you are saying but I give a very slight edge to Kemba being a better fit (today, tomorrow I may change my mind) There games are different but their impact on a Kings squad would be very close. The reason I give a slight edge to Kemba comes down to a leadership quality that the Kings sorely lack and what Kemba greatly posses. He can play hard nose and make you want to follow him and play hard with/for him. He is vocal leader that Reke and definitely Cousins isn't. Im not sure Reke and Cousins would gravitate towards any leadership Jimmer would provide. One of your 3 or 4 best players needs to have a leadership quality. But thats just the intangible. As far as game is concerned Jimmer has the better range and consistent shot but Kemba is no slouch. Especially when he is on. Defensively although Kemba is smaller he is quicker and can be more of a pest trying to steal the ball from up court which would set a defensive tone. Their passing ability is about the same which isn't great but thats why they both can be good playing alongside Reke.
I don't think you can go wrong with either one but they will both have different types of impact for the Kings.
I know what you mean about the leadership quality, I just believe that they'll go with Jimmer.
Like you said though, they can't go wrong with either one
Jimmer fits perfectly if they want Evans to still be the ball handler at times. Jummer is still a better shooter.
I compare Jimmer to Mike Bibby and Walker to Tim Hardaway
I always mostly compared Kemba to Ty Lawson, but he proved this year he has some shake and bake to his game. Walker and Gordon are just 2 totally different players to me, I dont really see much likeness. As for this thread title...I really dont think Jimmer fits better than Kemba with the Kings. I really think Kemba's passing and point guard skills are underated. I never thought this guy could score like that coming in to UCONN, but the moment he started putting up those numbers, people discredited his PG skills. Kemba has never been a big time scorer until this year. He wasnt even a great scorer in high school.
Jimmer is the next Adam Morrison...
as a kings fan, jimmer is an excellent fit imo not even considering what he provides on the court, jimmer's name alone will get more fans and support for our team which will definitely help us in getting a new arena.as far as his impact on the court; he'll become what beno is except he has the potential to be better than beno pretty quickly. imagine a lineup with tyreke, jimmer and thornton out there. the driving lanes will either be wide open for tyreke and if someone wants to cheat off of one of those guys theyll get lit up. kemba would be left open and not to say he cant knock those shots down, but jimmer would be in the same role as kemba. supersub basically.
I like Kemba more, but Jimmer definitely compliments Tyreke better because he's a deadly shooter which will clear the lane up for Tyreke and Kemba can't do that right now.
I'm still on the fence that Jimmer can make the leap to the NBA, but in college he was one of the best scorers and one of the best stand still shooters. You don't see those two skills together that often. Ty Evans has NBA All-Star talent that neither Kemba or Jimmer can touch. So does Cousins. So the Kings are going to put the ball in their hands. Jimmer compliments that better. Sure Kemba played SG for a good portion of his college career. Go back and look at the numbers he put up while doing that. He wasn't going to be drafted at all based on that performance. It was only in the second half of last season when he started looking like an NBA player.
As for leadership, it is a nice idea but really Ty Evans and Cousins are going to look at him and say (a) you are a rookie and (b) you aren't as good as me and never will be. So if Kemba comes in and says I'm going to be the leader of this team those two guys are going to laugh at him. Then Ty Evans will light him up for a few days in practice just to drive home the point.
Kemba isn't a true PG either, I would argue Jimmer is a better facilatator, besides Jimmer can shoot, which the kings need,as Evans is a poor shooter. Also Jimmer is better than Kemba, imo.
Sacramento, I think, loves Jimmer's underrated quickness, EXTREMELY hard work ethic, clean nose/attitude, (compared to Evans and Cousins), leadership skills, maturity, and his combination of all of the necessary skills of basketball; he can dribble, pass, and shoot. He's a very refined player. I think they feel he can play any role he's asked, be it scorer-off-the-bench, distribute-first-PG, scoring PG, etc. The kid just knows how to play.
It's not a knock on Kemba Walker. It's more that players like Jimmer don't come around very often, and they see him as a rare combination of a lot of different basketball characteristics rolled into one.
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A source at the Jazz workout today said Jimmer Fredette was the best player there and that Kemba Walker had trouble guarding him.
I saw that it said the Kings would consider drafting him just to get even more fans in the seats. I agree with most of you though saying that he compliments Tyreke better.
Better fit and a better than Kemba Walker.
Jimmer Fredette is a deadly shooter, a guy who doesn't have to handle the ball quite as much as your ordinary PG, he's efficient, and he's a strong pick and roll player too for good measure. I would take Fredette over Walker any day of the week honestly.
Walker hasn't been an efficient player since he was a spark off the bench as a Fr. Get the correlation? (he definitely is a better fit as a spark off the bench than as a starting PG. For those who don't.) He got to be pretty much strictly a PG as a Soph., UConn struggled, only making the NIT (and losing in the 2nd round) with much of the core to their Final 4 team the previous year on the roster, Walker averaged 3 turnovers a night, and shot 40% from the field and 34% from 3. As a Jr., Walker started the season strong scoring at great effiiciency, until he was much more closely scouted by conference teams. He shot 41% from the field during that slate, and wasn't the real PG for a UConn squad that was .500 in the conference heading into the Big East tournament. Walker was the same player from there on out, but Jeremy Lamb and Napier stepped up and played strong after the regular season ended. Walker is a scorer to me, in the pre-hip injury Jonny Flynn mold. A jet who can score and distribute some, but isn't a true PG and struggles with efficiency and 3-point shooting. I would definitely take Fredette over him.
Nixon, you can't blame Kemba Walker's starting as the direct correlation as to why they went to the NIT. Stanley Robinson played inconsistently. Dyson was a turnover machine, and Calhoun was out for part of the season
Jimmer is better than Kemba. Hands down. Jimmers passing is extremely underated and so is his defense. Jimmer will be a boarder line all star. mark my words
Kemba is no better a passer than Jimmer. Jimmer has much better range and his offense is more likely to translate while Kemba relies on getting inside and finishing around the trees, not happening at the next level.
"Nixon, you can't blame Kemba Walker's starting as the direct correlation as to why they went to the NIT. Stanley Robinson played inconsistently. Dyson was a turnover machine, and Calhoun was out for part of the season"
Stanley Robinson has always been inconsistent, Dyson has always been wild and a bit turnover prone. Walker struggled that year playing PG, evidenced by his stats and the teams play. He's not a true PG. I don't think it is a coincidence that UConn was a .500 Big East until Napier started playing well from the PG spot, Walker was his most efficient as a spark off the bench as a Fr., and that UConn was a huge disappointment when Walker saw most of his time at PG.
We haven't seen Kemba Walker put into a scenario where he has to be the point guard. He split of a lot of the point guard duties with Dyson in Soph season, he was a spark off the bench his Fr season and he HAD to score as a Jr. I don't think we've seen his full game.
I saw him play most of his minutes as a Soph at PG. Jerome Dyson split minutes with him, but who else would? It makes since to have a backup. I've seen him play a full season as mostly a PG, and he was terribly inefficient and showed very iffy decision making skills. I see a Jonny Flynn-type, I'm not seeing how he's a PG though.
You've never been too high on Kemba have you? (Not trying to sound like a jerk with that question, it's difficult to say things online)
IMO, Kemba and jimmer will be similar passers stat wise. Jimmer is a better shooter and Kemba is quicker and faster. Jimmer does fit better though. The Kings look like they will be a half court kind of team with Cousins. So that would slow Kemba's strengths but with Jimmer he can knock down all the open looks he gets. I also can see Jimmer being a very dangerous pick and roll player with Thompson and Cousins. Jimmer should fit well in Sac. Also, Kemba may not be there at 7. Many people believe Toronto may gamble on Kemba. I like the idea because like I said Kemba's strengths are speed and quickness and Toronto has an athletic team.
Kemba is closer to Ben Gordon than you guys think...
Iggy j nixon breaking down the facts
COMING FRUM DA GUY THAT SED KALIN LUCAS WUZ GUNNA B PLAYR OF DA YR OVA KEMBA!!
I think Kemba is closer to a smaller Jamal Crawford.
"COMING FRUM DA GUY THAT SED KALIN LUCAS WUZ GUNNA B PLAYR OF DA YR OVA KEMBA!!"
Definitely was wrong about that. Lucas never got his explosiveness back from that Achilles injury though, and Michigan State was a huge disappointment overall.
"You've never been too high on Kemba have you? (Not trying to sound like a jerk with that question, it's difficult to say things online)"
Not really, but a little. He's fun to watch, but he's not effiicient or a PG to me. Hard to get real hyped up about a guy who's a 6'1 combo guard who isn't that efficient, especially when you try to say he's a PG and has shown no signs of it.