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Why is it a debate who the best PG is?

Now that CP3 and Deron have basically switched situations (CP3 to a good supporting cast, Deron to a bad supporting cast) we'll see if Deron can actually lead a team of nobodies to the playoffs like CP3 did. I think when this season is all said and done, it won't even be a debate who the best PG is. And for those who say Derrick Rose, he's definitely more of a slasher.

CP3 is third all time in assists per game and is easily the best PG statistically. Deron is just bigger. It will be interesting to see the Nets play the Clippers this year. This time, Deron won't be so dominant.


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Do you really believe what

Do you really believe what Paul had in NO was as bad as what Deron has in NJ? I really hope your not that stupid.

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CP3 is the best! D.Will-bad team. D.Rose-streaky shot

D.Will is a close 2nd to CP3. He would be the best if his team were better. After watching Paul torch the Lakers last year singlehandedly, he got my vote. One play sticks out about D.Rose on why he isn't ready for number 1, in the play-offs when LeBron quote, unquote shut him down in the final minutes of the Bulls fourth quarter lost. Had he possessed a better jumper, his shot is much improved, he could have easily sealed that game. CP3 is such a complete playmaker, as seen last night against the Lakers. His jumpshot is so lethal, but he doesn't use it much because of his facilitating. He is deceptively strong, has quick hands and feet defensively, not to mention unreal anticipation for steals. And his most impressive quality is that toughness and fierceness he has. Doesn't back down from anybody at 6'1. Ask Kobe Bryant...

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I agree 100% with what this

I agree 100% with what this guy just said, and I would like to add about CP3 is that he never turns the ball over. He has a career 4-1 assist to turnover ratio, which is insane for anyone who had a usage % as high as CP3 did for the Hornets.

I also agree this isn't really a debate, and I firmly believe that CP3 on the Bulls would be a better team because Paul is better at establishing bigs than Rose is, which would make Boozer a 20-10 guy again, and Noah into a freak blend of Vlade and Camby. Throw in Paul's unreal shooting percentages of close to 50-40-90, and close to 5 rebounds at 6'0.5 to boot? Come on... He's the complete package from a skill set position.

I'll put his skillset another way: if Chris Paul had Rose's height, strength and athleticism, we would be talking about the Best point guard of all time, no discussion.

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to me Paul is better than CP3

to me Paul is better than CP3 by the slightest of margins. to me its like comparing MJ to Magic. if you ask who would I want on my team, I wouldnt give chit. how can you go wrong with either?

now, as far as PG debate....I think you can look at it in a couple of different ways. the best true/pure PG is between Paul and Williams. the best player playing at that position right now is D. Rose.

to further simplify....who are the top 5 players in the NBA right now?

Lebron, Kobe, Dwight, KD, and you would have to put Rose or D. Wade in at 5 and 6.

Rose is a top 6 player right now and Paul and Williams are not but definitely in the top 10 along with Melo, Stat, Pau, Dirk, etc...

This year Rose was the better player overall for what he did for his team and he happens to play PG so by semantics....Rose is the best.

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"Do you really believe what

"Do you really believe what Paul had in NO was as bad as what Deron has in NJ? I really hope your not that stupid."

count me in as stupid too, lol because NO was garbage. what Paul did for them year before last was absolutely remarkable. West was their 2nd best player and he was no where near ALL-NBA calibur.

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DRose

Give me Drose I think Cp3 has the best all around game skill wise but Drose is so dominant athletically and as a scorer his passing numbers benefit as well as his rebounding. Also Drose has a killer instinct and motor he plays 100 miles an hour all game. The only reason i take Drose over CP3 is because his athleticism gives him the lebron affect at pg.

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yes i think CP3 Deron debate

yes i think CP3 Deron debate isn't = best pg debate..

DRose is up there..and i still have to see cp3 healthy for at least half of the season to agree with his ESPN's top5 rank..

as a point guard alone (playmaking, playing with pass first mentality, being floor gerenol) yes i would take CP but and an overall nba player playing point guard's position give me Rose, he has taken over too much games all by himself while still playmaking too

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"Do you really believe what

"Do you really believe what Paul had in NO was as bad as what Deron has in NJ? I really hope your not that stupid."

I guess you can call me stupid too, cause I definitely think he had a bad team in NO.

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"I guess you can call me stupid too, cause I definitely think he had a bad team in NO." You think a Top 3 PG, top 5 Center, top 10 PF who was a multiple allstar, and solid role players(Peja, Mo Pete, Butler,Posey) is a bad team, I'm sorry I respect you as a poster but I think your exaggerating greatly calling them a bad team.

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i never bought into the idea

i never bought into the idea that rose is better than cp3. neither is deron... cp3 is the best by far, his handles are insane much like rose. his steals r on point, and his the best passer in the game than can drop 30 on u easy

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I do think that it's a

I do think that it's a debate. As far as all-around skills go, Deron is just as good a distributor as CP3, and ever since his knee injury, Williams has also been a better scorer. They are both very good, but to completly overlook Deron Williams in a Best PG debate is ridiculous.

And you're posting this after ONE PRESEASON GAME! Give them some time, and even though I do think Paul will remain the PG, I think Williams is lot closer than many think.

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i would say it's a debate. d

i would say it's a debate. d rose and d will are the next best PG. besides, anything is a debate. who's better Lebron james or Jordan? lol

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The thing is, he's not just

The thing is, he's not just as good a distributor as Chris Paul though. Chris Paul is the only player in the NBA that can get you around 11 apg and get 3 turnovers, or sometimes even lower. Deron Williams is an elite distributor, but he's no Chris Paul.

Also, Deron Williams isn't as efficient a scorer as Chris Paul. Paul has proven he can be a 20+ ppg scorer, and still shoot 50% from the field.

I honestly think Paul is better than Williams, always have too. We'll see how the Nets preform though, because he did nothing to prove me wrong after he was moved last year. I will give him the benefit of the doubt though, because it was a mid-season trade for a coach in Avery Johnson who isn't exactly a guy who is perfect for a smooth transition.

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A healthy CP3 is better than

A healthy CP3 is better than D. Rose, D. Will and Westbrook. However, CP3 has never been quite the same since his knee injury and it is likely he will never truly regain his former ability. What he has left may still be enough to make him the best point guard in the league, but prior to the injury he was looking like he would be one of the great players of all time. D. Rose and Westbrook still have to tap into their potential to reach that level. Though I know lots of people just assume that both of them will get better and better each year. It might happen, but we have to wait and see.

Also, everyone, don't be so excited about CP3 destroying the Lakers in the playoffs. JJ Barea did it as well in the next round. Beating up Steve Blake and Derek Fisher is not what makes you the best PG in the game. CP3 was great during the regular season last year, but it really wasn't nearly as good as he was from 2007 to 2009. During those years, he basically did to the entire league on a night in and night out basis what he did to Blake and Fisher in that series against the Lakers. Then there was no debate who was the best PG in the game. I suspect CP3 won't return to that level and I think we are going to debate who is the best all season because I think these guys are all going to be real close.

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you can debate all you want

you can debate all you want who is the best PG in terms of passer, scorer, defender and all those elements, and although Chris Paul strong in each, what you need to know for why he's the best, that no one control a team and make teamates better in the way and level CP3 does!

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At one point CP3 had Peja (a

At one point CP3 had Peja (a all-time 3point shooter) ,James Posey (A player that had a Tyson Chandler like performance shining in the finals and getting a big contract),David West(a allstar at the time) and Tyson Chandler a guy that just sighned a 15 million dollar per year deal with knicks and catching so much hoops from CP3

Now lets look at Deron Williams team last year I cant even name who the wings were on that team because the were so bad and never were on T.V. or anything but the pf was Mr.Kardashion and there center had no clue what a rebound was.

BUT I still think CP3 is the best Pg and the league right now

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"You think a Top 3 PG, top 5

"You think a Top 3 PG, top 5 Center, top 10 PF who was a multiple allstar, and solid role players(Peja, Mo Pete, Butler,Posey) is a bad team, I'm sorry I respect you as a poster but I think your exaggerating greatly calling them a bad team."

Of all the things you listed, the only thing that was true is that they had a top 10 PF and a top 3 PG, and the top 3 PG, Chris Paul, is what the debate was centered around so it didn't even need to be listed.

David West was the only truly good player the Hornets had, and even he benefitted alot by Chris Paul.

When Chris Paul was out for the season a few years back and Darren Collison was the PG, notice how New Orleans was a lotto team despite Collison putting up nice numbers? Notice how with basically the same core, minus their 2nd or 3rd leading scorer, can't remember, in Marcus Thornton getting dealt mid-season, they made the playoffs and took the Lakers to 6 games? James Posey, Mo Pete and Peja is not a solid core of role-palyers.

Peja, in case you were sleep all of last year, didn't play for the Hornets, and he was far from a solid role player for the Mavs.

James Posey played for the Pacers last year as well. And was one of the worst contracts in basketball. Just got amnestied. He shot a combined 38% from the field in his 2 years for the Hornets and 33.6% last year. Solid role player? I think not.

Rasual Butler was never very good either. A shooting specialist who never shot 40% from the arc for the Hornets. Only shot 40% from the floor twice in 4 seasons there. And he hadn't played for the Hornets since 08.

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For starters, CP3 basically

For starters, CP3 basically made David West into the player he is today. I expect a breakout season by DeAndre Jordan. People talk about the Nash effect... we are about to witness the CP3 effect. Also, look for DWest to have an off year.

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The Hornets were a bad team

The Hornets were a bad team made to look good by Paul, last year at least. Ariza is a waste on offense, West was out the majority of the year, Okafor is mediocre. They made the playoffs in the west anyway. Deron, awesome though he is, is highly unlikely to do the same in NJ who are in a similar talent position with good shooting from the 2, and solid inside play for the pick and pop.

Underrated factor though - I'd take Monty Williams before Avery almost every time.

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