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Why I don't understand All 3 to Miami

I don't understand James, Wade and Bosh to Miami and here's why.

The Heat have about 44 million dollars in cap space. The base salary of a max contract is (I believe) around 16-17 mil for the base salary for a max contract. 17 times 3 is 51 million. That would mean someone is taking a pay cut- Alright so let's say it's

Wade- 6/130
James-5/90
Bosh- 5/85

If that. There are 2 problems in my eyes. The first one is: What if someone wants the s&t? The Heat have alot of players for S&T but if you use one to "Sign" LeBron or Bosh, they lose rights to the players they didn't use in the 1st sign and trade. So two players would take a S&T and the 3rd would take a significant less? I don't see that happening.

The second problem is: You cannot win on these 3 alone. If you have to do a sign and trade for even one- You have to believe Beasley is gone. So then it's Chalmers, Wade, James and Bosh. You cannot use Bird Rights on former players because you did a S&T on a player. The MLE is the last thing you can use. Even if you use the MLE and add someone like Haywood, You have a great starting 5 but NOONE on the bench.

Chalmers-Wade-James-Bosh-Haywood

Pittman? Butler? Varando?

If someone know something I'm missing here, tell me.


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I dont think the three could

I dont think the three could land in Miami either, but not for money or sign and trade situations like you stated. To me I just don't see how the 3 of them would share the ball enough to get them their points. Wade would have to defer to James, and Bosh would have to tone down his attitude of wanting to be the go to guy also defer to James. I just don't think there are enough basketballs to satisfy these three dominant players. They might be able to do it with a championship at stake, but with so many years in Miami of Wade being the number one guy, you would think he would be the one that wants the ball in last second situations. (I also think Wade is more clutch than Lebron is)But with Lebron's ego the last second shot would have to go to James. Would Wade sacrifice his usual role of dominant player, and would Bosh be willing to do the same, I don't think so. I think it is more plausible to see Bosh and James together in Chi-town or New York than it is the trio in Miami. It would be a stellar team but I don't the the egos of the 3 would mesh. I do think Wade will stay in Miami, but instead of Bosh and James partnering up with him, I think it will instead be Amare or Booz.

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they sign Bosh and James max

they sign Bosh and James max contracts and resign Wade with bird rights, I still don't believe this

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Don't believe it either

But, I do believe those 3 could win a championship with very little else involved. I mean, the Celtics had the Big 3, but those guys were all past their prime. Everyone in this Big 3 would be under 28, still in their prime, and the only player who probably would not be better than everyone on the Celtics Big 3 would be Bosh, who still is better than Kevin Garnett at this point in his career. Just having 2 of the top 3 players in the game would be enough to keep any team competitive, than add Chris Bosh, would make life pretty easy. I mean, it would be more than likely that the 3 of them would average somewhere near 70-75 points per game, if not more, and they would need very little else. They would make life easy for whoever they played with, and while Mario Chalmers is not Rajon Rondo, he is a better outside/midrange shooter, and he would get looks and play good defense. Give that team some filler and they are a dynasty, who more than likely would get better over time. But, I definitely believe it is too good to be true for Miami, and they will have to settle with two max contract (including Wade) and some solid role guys.

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Here's my take. Are these

Here's my take. Are these guys really serious about winning titles over stats? Because these guys better know that they won't be leading the league in scoring or anything like that. Will guys with their ego size like looking in the papers and seeing that their scoring average has dipped 7-9 points? No way these guys can win with the three of them averaging 25 points a game. I understand the big three on the Celtics did it, but those guys were older and their careers winding down so they knew they only had a little time to get it together. Remember, they still need their team mates to win titles, so they can not alienate their team mates and ruin the chemistry by taking all the shots.

And if Cleveland and Toronto's front office is smart, they won't do a S&T. Why contribute to this super team? Let Miami not have an cap space for 6 years, let the bench guys bicker about not getting more money after they win a title. (Remember Phil Jackson talked about the disease of more after winning).

From a fan stand point it would be cool to see, but for the smaller market teams it would be terrible. I would rather see Chris and Lebron and Ray Allen in New York, then Carlos Boozer and Johnson sign with Miami. Then Rudy Gay and Amare go to the Nets. Keep the NBA compeitive.

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Ya as knicksboy said,there

Ya as knicksboy said,there simpley will not be enough balls to share. Lebron & Wade's style is to dominate the ball, which even if they do that leaves Chris" I want to be the Man" Bosh stranded out there, & not getting the ball as much as he wants. I dont see any three players going together unless it's a Guard-Big combo(ala lebron-bosh\or\wade-amare) & the teams that gets them trades for a legit PG to help run the team(ala Tony Parker or CP3)

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Who Cares

Who cares if people think that Wade and Lebron cannot coexist? I saw them coexist fine when it came to team USA pulling out a gold and that team had some big egos on it. These guys want this to work out because they want to win. Even if someone has to take a paycut it's not a huge deal because you probably make up for some of that with Florida's lack of income tax. If you are an owner, a coach, gm, a fan or anyone with that city you'd rather take your chances on these 3 guys than some other combination. All three of these guys can make a claim to never having a teammate as good as the one of the others that they are planning on signing with and that says a lot consider Wade has won a championship and Lebron has been to the finals. I'm not worried about the bench either. Guys will come to the city just for the chance at a ring. You'll see veterans and other guys that can play come over. The bad thing is the money won't be there to really pick and choose, but if a guy does sign with you, you know he's there to win and not for the money. I could see a guy like McGrady coming over, Jason Williams and some veteran big men. On top of all of this you know Riley will come back to coach this team. He's dealt with great players and he would command the respect of everyone.

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chris broussard said he

chris broussard said he wouldnt be surprised if lebron took a pay cut because he makes so much money outside of basketball and winning would get him more money than bosh and wade. not saying its likely but i could see it happening. but i agree i dont think all three end up in miami, it doesnt make much sense. i think at the end of it all bosh ends up in chicago, lebron wade and stoudemire stay and jj ends up in ny. then the other free agents fall like rudy gay, kyle korver, etc.

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Doubledribbler I see your

Doubledribbler I see your point with Riley wanting to coach the trio and him being able to handle it and he would command the respect of everyone, but do you remember Melo and AI together in Denver? That was a mess, there were not enough balls to be passed around at all. the ego was just too much. Melo wanted to develop his game more as he was the younger guy with certainly a lot more potential than AI. But we all know how bad the ego of AI is. That combo did not work, not even George Karl could calm the storm. He may not be on Riley's level but he does command the same respect that Riley does. I don't know if Riley could do that. Boston did it because the guys were a lot older, and were all past their primes. They had experience and they know what it takes to win a championship. Besides the only real ego problem was KG. Allen and Pierce were just fine and were willing to defer when they needed to. KG, I believe was the toughie. If the trio in Miami happens you have all 3 egos to deal with. One is hard enough, but 3 is next to impossible, I think. Wade has won a championship but that was with Shaq by his side. Shaq has won 3 titles in LA before he came to Miami so he certainly knew what it took. I believe he taught Wade what it took to win a championship. This certainly went a long way in their success. Riley was their as well to help, but ultimately Shaq was doing most of the teaching. Wade would have to be the leader of this team as he is the only that has won a championship. But that was just one, Shaq had the advantage because he had 3. You can only learn so much with just 1. Riley would be their to help but in the end the player championship experience is certainly an advantage but only one is certainly a disadvantage to the three that Shaq had. And that experience in the olympics was just a once in a lifetime opportunity. This is a dynasty we are talking about here, not just one gold medal. Would they be able to do that consistently, I don't know. The egos are a big issue. You have to remember what happened in Denver with AI and Melo. That is certainly relevant. No matter how short of a time it was. It was a disaster and I think the same thing would happen with the possible trio too, even with Riley at the helm. They may be able to win one but again this is a dynasty we are talking about, would they be able to do it again and again and again? I don't know that is where I have my doubts.

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melo and ai

were sick together.

they were tearing defenses apart while sharing the ball in denver.

they didnt fail to work because of their lack of offensive production, it was the horrific defense the team was playing due to how much they focused on offense that forced the trade.

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This will obviously work. A

This will obviously work. A team like this will take 80 shots atleast. Even if all these guys take 25 there is still a few shots left over. James, Wade and Bosh will have a target on their back from the rest of the league if they do this. Riley will tie up the Big 3 and fill in the role players. Imagine if you had the choice of being double-teamed as soon as the ball is in your hands or the luxury of single coverage. These guys are gonna be taking less shots but very quality shots.

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They also

They also all shoot a VERY high percentage and are pretty consistent game to game. I think it would work better in Miami than in Chicago, where Rose is still learning HOW to be dominant.

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The Celtics 3 were past their

The Celtics 3 were past their prime in 2008 are you kidding me.
No way Miami gets all 3 the way things are going they'll get Boozer and Wade.
Bosh is headed to Chicago, Houston or NY.
Lebron if he chooses sign n trade won't be going to Miami.
Not sure why teams are dumb enough to give Bosh 6 years 120 mill and send players back he's not worth that.
Pass I'd rather have David Lee for 11-13 mill a year or Boozer at 14-16 mill especially in the East Conf.
Also Amare is still out there.

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Also the Heat don't have much

Also the Heat don't have much outside of Beasly and the Raptors future 1st to offer in sign n trades.
Where are you guys getitng your info. no team wants Heats garbage players, Chalmers is nothing special who's left 2nd round picks. Only Raptors GM mentioned possibility of sign n trade becaz he knows Bosh is leaving but now all the rumors for other players have started. A team your leaving is really going to help you get 20 plus mill so they can have a project player yeah thats logical. Greedy free agents want full money that only a team with bird rights can give you and want to leave to a team of their choice too wow.

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1) A team that enters the

1) A team that enters the summer under the cap does not get the MLE. If a team renounces all their FAs and does a straight signing of a free agent, they don't have the cap exceptions.

2) There is no reason that Miami cannot put together using their expiring contracts, Beasley, Chalmers, Anthony, the first round pick they have owed to them from Toronto, and their own future picks. Jermaine O'Neal, Udonis Haslem, and Quentin Richardson are going to be in the NBA next season. The reason teams want to amass the space is to force the hand of the team.

3) Filling out the roster will not be a problem. It looks worse when you don't consider that the market will be flooded with veterans willing to take the minimum for a contender.

Does this look so bad? They can probably do better, but I tried to aim low on the vets and assumed Beasley and Chalmers would be shipped out.
PG: Jamaal Tinsley (vet minimum), Chris Duhon or Chris Quinn (vet minimum)
SG: Wade, Damon Jones (caddy to the stars, vet minimum)
SF: James, Ime Udoka (vet minimum), Butler
PF: Bosh, Kurt Thomas (vet minimum), Varnado
C: Theo Ratliff (vet minimum), Anthony, Pittman

That team is the clear favorite to win the title, and is well under the luxury tax line. Now, I don't think LeBron guys in, but Miami would still be scary if instead of LeBron they come away with Rudy Gay.

As for which young players will vie for training camp invites
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South Florida Sun Sentinel
MIAMI — The Miami Heat took a sneak peak Monday at the players it selected in the second round of last week's NBA Draft, as well as at others who could be added to the summer-league entry it will field next month in Las Vegas.

While No. 32 pick Dexter Pittman, the center out of Texas, and No. 41 pick Jarvis Varnado, the forward out of Mississippi State, were on the court, No. 42 pick Da'Sean Butler, the forward out of West Virginia, watched from the side as he continues to rehab the ACL tear in his left knee sustained during the Final Four.

Also on the court was veteran point guard Mario Chalmers, who will work in the Heat's summer camp that opens next week but might bypass summer league. In addition, 2009 second-round pick Patrick Beverley, a defensive presence at point guard, also was back with the team after spending last season in the Greek League.

In addition, a pair of former University of Miami players took part in Monday's session, forwards Anthony King and Brian Asbury.

Rounding out the workout were former Georgia Tech guard D'Andre Bell, former Alabama A&M center Mickell Gladness and NBA Development League center John Bryant.

The Heat also is expected to add undrafted Alabama point guard Mikhail Torrance to its summer-league roster.

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1) That's what I said: The

1) That's what I said: The MLE is the last thing you can use. Read Closely

2) Never said they couldn't but if Bosh wants a S&T, you would sign a player and thus lose the other players rights.

3) True but also factor in the other teams who will fight for those vets like Lakers, Magic, Celtics, Thunder, Suns

That team doesn't look too bad to be honest but I don't know if that's a title team. If the past few seasons said anything, you gotta have a couple nice bench pieces.

Also, The Lakers, Magic and Celtics could make 1 or 2 nice little moves and be better IMO. The Lakers especially. The Lakers could go and move Odom, add a PG and be the favorites all over again.

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I havent been looking into

I havent been looking into the numbers and the sign and trades and all that but i definitely dont see these 3 working out. And whoever brought up bostons big three; all 3 of those guys compliment each other perfectly and not to mention by the time they got together they were vets who had been close to getting to the championship while they were the main guys for their respective teams and by the time they came together it didnt matter to them who was scoring and who was defending etc etc. Bosh has made it clear he wants to be the main guy wherever he goes, lebron's ego is too overwhelming to play with wade (in my opinion, let alone wade AND Bosh) d wade is the only one of these 3 that i could see accepting somewhat of lesser role in certain situations since he's won a championship and knows what it takes to get it done. Wade/lebron need to have a joe johnson in order to have 2 superstars on the team in order to mesh. Lebron would be better off with bosh and wade with boozer. Miami then signs haywood and then they have a legit team. Of course they need to get some shooters, and other things but their base would be fantastic. I think amare will go to a mediocre team and be a max guy because i think he's more in it for the money than anything else. Lebron is in it to see which team/city can get him the most marketability and the most money. He wants to run a city, a big city. I think when its all said and done that wade will be in a better situation and have a better chance of winning a championship

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All that sounds good in

All that sounds good in theory but the reality that Lebron and Bosh would leave what 35 million or so on the table to play in Miami isn't practical esp. if Bosh can get a sign n trade to Houston giving the Raptors Scola and others back. Also when the Celtics won with the big 3 they had Rondo, Perkins, Posey, Brown, Eddie House, Powe as role players. The guys you mentioned aren't close to those. Joel Anthony is gone he'll test free agency and sign somewhere for a few million a year. Ratliff is a bench player now, a better option would be moving Beasley for a Center in a trade. I still don't see why Wade isn't heading to Chicago, now they have enough cap room to sign him and maybe Boozer. I know Wade is loyal but Chicago is his home & they have more depth &some talented young players.

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No, your story line is not

No knicksboy32, your story line is not accurate. If the Heat decide to do straight signings, then they can max out Wade, Rudy Gay (whose max is lower than that of the 2003 guys), and give just less than the max to Bosh. As they are right now, they would not be able to do straight signings for Wade, LeBron, and Bosh without one or two of them taking a bit less. Now, this gets complicated because Cleveland has said that they won't work on any sign-and-trades for LeBron if he leaves. So what Miami can do is immediately give Wade the max for six years and almost $130 million. They can then renounce all their expirings except for Joel Anthony (sub million cap hold) and Udonis Haslem ($10 million cap hold and holds value around the league moreso than Q-Rich) and still sign LeBron James in a straight signing for a three year and about $54 million. At that point, he'll be a free agent again at 28 years old. The team can then use Haslem, Beasley, Chalmers, and the picks to work a sign-and-trade for Bosh. At that point, they would not have any roster exceptions, because they used their cap space to sign LeBron. They can, however, sign six or seven veterans for the minimum and challenge the Bulls 72-10 record.

Also, if you don't think a team with Wade, LeBron, Bosh, and any six or seven long-time NBA vets would be the clear favorite to win a title you just don't know what wins NBA championships.

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Another Theory Actually

Still do not think it is going to work, but lets think about a way in which it would and give them lots of flexibility. This would require a lot of altruism on the part of these gentleman, particularily Mr. Bird Rights D-Wade, but what if they did not all take Max Contracts? For instance, say Dwyane Wade takes maybe the same amount of money per se as LeBron/Bosh, not using his Bird Rights to make more money with his current given team. Now, it also appears that these guys, who are young and have already been making 13-15 million dollars per year for the last 4 years (I believe?), not to mention their fairly hefty rookie salaries, plus endorsements (Where I am guessing at least LeBron makes much more money than even his player contract), and maybe they are willing to put egos aside to assemble a trio never seen before. The only 3 players who maybe could be considered close would be Kareem, Magic and Worthy, but even they were all at different points in their career where only Magic and Worthy were in their prime years. They have all proven they can lead teams, and when you play with players of their caliber, it makes the game very easy. Sure, LeBron and Wade need the ball, but believe me, other teams lives would be hell if every posession they had one of those two guys driving to the hole. Plus, Bosh would completely reap the benefits, and probably have to take less of a pounding as he did when he had the bulk of possessions in Toronto.

Now, the ultimate thing would be, that I think at least LeBron and Bosh would sign 3 year deals with maybe a couple years of player options, and barring significant decline in play (which would more than likely be due to some unforeseen injury), they would obtain Bird Rights after their third year. Now, the problem of course is that the Collective Bargaining Agreement has to be renewed, which leaves the concept of maximum salaries very much up the air. Though the salaries are not expected to change too significantly, I am sure these guys want to have long term security. As Latrell Sprewell once said "I have to feed my family." I am guessing that meant his family eats at Ruth's Chris steakhouse everyday and than orders fresh lobsters from Fiji, but nonetheless I am sure if we were living the lifestyles that come with these paycheques, we would have similar worries. That is why I ultimately believe they will sign long term deals, but think that these 3 playing together would be quite interesting. Surely this has been the most talked about free agency in NBA history, and it is not just because of LeBron, but because of the number of marquee players who are looking towards greener pastures. I predicted last year that Bosh would sign in Miami, and as Cleveland is apparently not offering to do a sign and trade with LeBron, they have to look like the favorites, especially if they could maybe sign another significant addition or complete a sign and trade, which would not be that crazy. But, I can see any of these guys possibly splitting up on different teams, or a combination of any of them playing together (Bosh/Wade, Bosh/LeBron, Wade/LeBron), but it is so hard to believe that they would set ego aside, even if it would mean watching a potential dynasty, or even a potential experiment gone wrong (which I am guessing a few people would be rooting for).

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How is Rudy Gay's max lower

How is Rudy Gay's max lower then the ones given out to the 2003 players?

Plus, if you sign a player off another team- Don't you automatically renouce your rights to all Free agents? I just don't see how these 3 players will land up on Miami. I don't see anyone of them taking a paycut. That's just my opinion.

Also- Not being a title team was a bad choice of words. What I mean is a title favorite. I believe you need some nice bench players to win a championship. Could they win the title next season? YES. Would they be the favorite? Remains to be seen.

Like I said, The Lakers could throw a curveball into everything. They could use the MLE on a Felton type, go and move a Lamar Odom type for more bench pieces and would still be the favorites.

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Not sure Raptors are taking

Not sure Raptors are taking Chalmers, Haslem in sign n trades even if it gets them Beasley.
Your crazy if you think that Heat team would challenge the Bulls 72 win record.
Did you forget that they had Jordan, Pippen, Rodman, Kukoc, Harper and a bunch of Centers that could pass and shoot open jumpers like Longley, Wennington. Also they had a knock down shooter in Kerr and defensive specialist in Randy Brown. Also 6 guys over 6'10 to throw at big men like Shaq. This Heat team has no Ron Harper, Kukoc and Bosh doesn't play D like Rodman. Did you watch the Bulls that year? They lost 3 games in the playoffs 1 to the Knicks in overtime and had a 3-0 series lead over the Sonics before Seattle won 2 meaningless game.

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The max for Wade, LeBron, and

The max for Wade, LeBron, and Bosh is set based off 105% of their salary for this past season. Rudy Gay's is set by 25 percent of the cap ($56.1 million). Joe Johnson's is set by 30 percent of the cap.

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@knicksboy32 Let's be

@knicksboy32

Let's be serious... IF Miami re-signs Wade and then is able to pair him up with LeBron and Bosh... YES, they are the favorites.

Rudy Gay's max isn't as much as the 2003 players because he hasn't been in the league as long. The amount of a max contract varies depending on how long the player has been in the league.

I also think you need to visit this website. http://members.cox.net/lmcoon/salarycap.htm. It'll help you understand the salary cap better.

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Hey, That's why I put at the

Hey, That's why I put at the bottom- Tell me if I'm missing something. Thanks BB for the site.

Can someone answer this question for me:

If I'm Bosh, wouldn't I push LeBron to sign to Chicago? We would still be the favorites for a title and I would get my max money. Also, I think we would be a even better team. We don't have to worry about filling a roster as much as going to Miami. I get to play with Taj Gibson, Derrick Rose, James Johnson and Joakim Noah most likely.

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The Bulls don't have enough

The Bulls don't have enough to max 2 players still they cleared Hinrich's salary and traded their 1st rounder away yes.
However they still have about 7 roster holds at 473,604 which leaves them with 29.833796 in cap room.
Starting max salary for Bosh, Lebron, Wade would be 16.33 or 16.5 if they were to sign with a different team.
If the Bulls convince both or one of them to take less thats a different story.
Right now ony the Knicks and Heat can offer max salary to 2 players.

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That's why I did add Deng

That's why I did add Deng because he would be figured into any sign and trade

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Any team willing to take

Any team willing to take Deng's contract has some real problems he's still got 4 years at 51 plus million on the books.
Why would u want to pay that Deng is a nice scorer but not worth that contract.

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You want something back for

You want something back for Chris Bosh?

Were willing to throw you Loul Deng and a 2011 1st. Toronto has no leverage in the trade so take what you can get. Not like there getting Noah.

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Adding Deng's contract

Adding Deng's contract doesn't help their situation, they already have Turkoglu's long term contract there.
2011 1st will be a very late 1st round pick if the Bulls sign 2 big name guys.
Raptors don't gain anything there they'd be better off letting Bosh signn with Chicago outright.
Next summer the Raptors will have some cap room why waste it on Deng.
Raptors would be better off trading him to the Rockets at least they can offer some young players that would help them.

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ill still go with the lakers

ill still go with the lakers as the fav because they will have the better overall team

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If those three team up, the

If those three team up, the Lakers would have to pray for an injury when June come around. Otherwise, the Finals would just be a coronation. I still don't think LeBron goes there, so it may very well be nothing more than a hypothetical point, but for the next two or three years the NBA would be like watching Tyson in his prime.

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Except that they would have

Except that they would have no one to guard Bynum and Odom would have a field day as well against the bench. Yeah Kobe would have to play defense finally but the lack of depth on the Heat would hurt them. If Bosh can slow down Gasol considerably than yeah I could see it being one sided.

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i dont agree. those three

i dont agree. those three would need other players as well as some players from the bench because they not playing every minute of the playoffs and then expect to be fresh for the finals. bosh defense isnt good so him and gasol would either be a wash or bosh fouls out checking him odom and bynum. lebron would get his but not as dominate since hes sharing the ball and artest isnt a slouch. then you have wade and kobe which ill take kobe because of more consistant jumper. leauge min players arent gonna check fisher,bynum, odom. and thats lebron and wade cant check everyone and thats a fact that people seem to be forgetting. yeah they all can score but its alot harder when you have to spend energy checking youre man and other guys because youre leauge min players cant check the other guys. it becomes even harder when you have to play a half court game since wade and bron are slashers. they would have to pray the lakers have some injuries( which is starting ot seem common). on top of everyone on that team knowing there roles( this isnt the olympics nor boston where each player complimented each others games)

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yeah and we all know bosh

yeah and we all know bosh cant slow down anyone considerably

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But

Honestly this possible Miami team will be lacking a few things the Boston team has.
1. A PG to get all these guys the ball, many think LeBron can handle the duties but Wade isnt a spot up shooter so teams will just fill the paint up and live with 3's
2. No 3 point shooting, Allen, Pierce, Robinson, Wallace and even House dont forget Scalabrine they shoot 3's this Heat team would need some 3 Point shooting but they wouldnt have money for that
3. Low post defense, Perkins, Garnett and Wallace are great low post defenders they wont have the money to sign some guys to stop Howard, Gasol, Bynum Yao and Bogut.
4. Poise, they say they played together for Team USA but they had way more stars Carmelo, Kobe,Dwight, CP3, DWill they had a lot more pieces and teams wouldnt beat a squad like that but the NBA is 82 games not 8 teams dont strategize game by game for 8 games like they do for 82 and if Phil comes back then the Lakers are gonna be hard to beat.

So IMO Wade should get players that fit with him and thats Amar'e and Joe or Rudy, Lebron and Bosh to Chicago should happen but they should trade Deng for a 2 guard who can knock down 3's.

The last thing people fail to realize is role players are key Lakers prove it in 09 Ariza, Fisher and Farmar were key this year Odom, Fisher, and Artest were key who can they put around these guys to win a Title Stars couldn't win the Olympics in '04 asking them to win and NBA title is asking a too much for too little

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exactly..role players are key

exactly..role players are key and just min pay players arent gonna cut it. the old lakers or bulls didnt have min pay players as there role players and defense down low is gonna be key. i can already see bosh picking up fouls tryna guard odom,bynum, and gasol. please dont say varnado or pittman can come in in year one and guard those three because thats absurd

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James Posey Trevor

James Posey

Trevor Ariza

Robert Horry

Big Baby

Ron Artest

Those are just some of the players who came off the bench to help teams win titles over the past 5 years. You always need 1 or 2 good bench players to win.

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exactly...thought ron artest

exactly...thought ron artest didnt of the bench and neither did ariza. another problem is non of those guys are leauge min players... i dont think boobie gibson would help either as someone suggested i think... and he also doesnt make leauge min

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Geez, don't any of you

Geez, don't any of you realize that the Heat will find players who can play defense, rebound, and all that little stuff you are trying to make too much of. They aren't going three on five. They can find a good capable, defensive-minded role players. They can come away with Theo Ratliff and Kurt Thomas. They can get Jason Collins to guard the post. It isn't that hard to find guys who can play supportive roles for those guys. Shooters will line up to take a one year deal for the minimum because it virtually assures them of leading the league in three point shooting percentage and a fat contract in 2011.

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I listed Ron but Odom was

I listed Ron but Odom was more the 6th man, my bad.

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if youre counting on

if youre counting on theo,jared collins and kurt thomas then youre in trouble. neithe rof those guys can check bynum gasol odom. what shooters do you know that play for the min?..shooters arent that easy to come by thats why they usually get over payed. take into account that the chances of a lockout is very high and the nba players union has already told the players to get that big contract now and save youre money because a lock out is on the way, and that makes it even harder. theres a lot of IFS in order to make all this work. if they trade beasley, if they players take less money. i still cant get over jason collins as the starting center to defend. he will fould out in the first quarter. no one is lining up for min when a lockout is on the horizen. everyone is trying to get that last big contract

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When did Andrew Bynum turn

When did Andrew Bynum turn into Hakeem? Big bodies who want to defend have done fine on him.

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riiiiiight then im guessing

riiiiiight then im guessing youre forgetting that miami cant afford the vet leauge min that these guys will command. they will only be able to afford second round rookie min. bosh is already a average defender at best. and theres a reason collins rarely ever plays. you cant just throw any big body in there and think thats gonna work. utah had just any big body out there as well as other teams......didnt work and thats with a hurt bynum

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Actually, Miami would be able

Actually, Miami would be able to sign veterans for league mandated minimum for their service time.

And when was LeBron James, Chris Bosh, and D-Wade on Utah? I have the upmost respect for Deron Williams, but it is no comparison. You seem to be in this lost group that is oblivious to the physical marvel that is LeBron James. He can guard Kobe Bryant or he can guard Pau Gasol, whichever is needed. He is that big and that athletic. 4-15 will not hold those three back if they want to team up. The only thing that stops them is an injury at the wrong time.

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What will probably happen

What will probably happen with PT is when one of them have to come off two will stay on. The two on will play with more intesity the way a bench would. When the second one needs a rest bring back the other star at the same time. And never not have two on.

Bosh comes out in the 10th minute Wade in the 10th of the second. Lebron can get a 2 min rest right at 8 to 6. Bosh will be seeing around 40 mins of PT with Wade of Lebron 44 apiece. Obviously in blow outs theyll play the reserves so the 3 will avg
Bosh 37 mins
Wade 41 mins
James 41 mins
Still allowing the heat to force doubles on two players at a time will really create openings.
The first year these guys will be heavily relied on. But next off season theyll use their MLE similar to the way Artest took it to be with Kobe. Draft a few other quality rotation players and will be the team to beat for another 6 years easy.

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What will probably happen

What will probably happen with PT is when one of them have to come off two will stay on. The two on will play with more intesity the way a bench would. When the second one needs a rest bring back the other star at the same time. And never not have two on.

Bosh comes out in the 10th minute Wade in the 10th of the second. Lebron can get a 2 min rest right at 8 to 6. Bosh will be seeing around 40 mins of PT with Wade of Lebron 44 apiece. Obviously in blow outs theyll play the reserves so the 3 will avg
Bosh 37 mins
Wade 41 mins
James 41 mins
Still allowing the heat to force doubles on two players at a time will really create openings.
The first year these guys will be heavily relied on. But next off season theyll use their MLE similar to the way Artest took it to be with Kobe. Draft a few other quality rotation players and will be the team to beat for another 6 years easy.

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A team with 1-2 superstars,

A team with 1-2 superstars, 4-5 solid role players, and 2-3 other contributing bench guys is way more likely to win a championship than a team with 3 SUPERstars, 1-2 role players, and roster fillers.

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