Why As a fan I hope the Rockets dont make the playoffs and finally build for the Future
As a Rockets fan i wanted them to make the Playoffs earlier in the year. With their recent struggles we have fallen to 10th in the playoff race. Now i hope we dont make the playoffs. This team is going nowhere with its current roster. If we miss the playoffs we keep a 1st round pick top 14 potected that we owe New Jersey for the Terrence Williams trade 2 years back. Also it since the Knicks are a going to make the Playoffs we would recieve their top 5 protected pick from the TMac trade. And If Dallas can move up in the overall league standings two more spots before the end of the season we recieve their Top 20 protected pick from the Lamar Odom deal with Lakers.(Houston aquired with the Jordan Hill to Laker deal).
So if we dont make the Playoffs we have two guaranteed 1st rouders (Ours and NY's). Ours being in the Lotto with NY's in the mid teens. And if Dallas can win out their last 3 games and two teams of BOS, ATL, Memphis, Orlando loss out or only win one more game the rest of the year we aquire Dallas 1st rounder this year (High chance this doesnt happen)
Meaning we have a chance at 3 of the top 21 picks in a solid draft were alot of players in the mid - late lotto to late first round have alot of potential. Allowing us a lot of flexibility to either move up in the draft, use all 3 picks, or packages them with or w/o players for maybe an up incoming star, or a proven player we could build around. Hopefully we miss the playoffs and Dallas move up a couple spots(again highly unlikely).
With likely an Rebuilding in proccess Scola( 8.5mil traded or Amensty), Martin(11.5 mil traded or Amensty), Camby( $11 mil expiring), Dalembert( $6.7 mil team option) Dragic & Lee (2.1 mil and 2.2 mil expiring and Likely both test free agents) leaving this offseason Houston should have a whole lot of cap space for free agents or trades to go anlong with atleast two 1st rounders. Allowing for the rebuilding Process to be started the right way. Instead of aways being a team chasing or trying to hang on too a low seeded playoff spot.
This year if any is the best time for Houston to go all in on the "COMPLETE" Rebuilding proccess(like Bobcats this year and CAVS last year) instead of fighting for the 7th & 8th each and every year. The perfect plan would be to use both draft picks (hopefully 3) in this years solid draft, save the cap space (weak free agents year with alot of old declining guys) and try to land a top 5 pick in next years 2013 draft which could to be very loaded at the top, and use the cap space in the 2013 free agency when there's alot more talented young players, and players either entering or still in their prime.
they are doing the Phoenix, still pushing for playoffs but they know they wont last long there
I was thinking the same thing as I watched the Suns win.
We should just keep our eye on this stacked draft class. If we can sneak out with Terrence Ross and Arnett Moultrie, I would be happy with our future. Doncé is coming next season, hopefully. We can have an inside/out and defense/offense combo with Moultrie and D-Mo in the future and Patterson off the bench. Throw in Parsons, Budinger, Morris and Ross. We'll have a good set of young swing-men. We can keep Lowry but I don't think Dragic would take a pay-cut to stay and we can resign Courtney Lee to add some depth.
whether your team makes the playoffs or not won't make a difference with the Dallas and Knicks picks,so all what is gonna happen is that you are gonna get the 13th or 14th pick again?
I am sorry but those picks aren't high enough to think about not making the playoffs,the team has selected 2 players that high last 2 years and it seems that Chandler parsons is getting more minutes than them
If you want to rebuild,that is fine ,but that is too late to think about this year,the rockets should play to win every game
I disagree that the Rockets should go into Bobcats-mode. The team has a great culture of not giving up right now, and trading away your depth to rebuild is a poor decision. Certainly get rid of Martin and let Camby go, but try to keep a hold of Lee, as he's a great role player. Keep Scola around, because even rebuilding teams need a veteran presence.
They should hope to miss the playoffs this season, because they draft very well and this is a loaded draft, so the more first-rounders the better.
I am looking forward to Motiejunas coming over though, he's one of my favourite prospects, and has a pretty high ceiling.
Darryl Morey is a good GM. He makes good deal, drafts pretty well, but the Rockets are always trying to make the playoff which makes them a trackmill team.
The Rockets have way too many solid players to start a rebuilding process and they have acquired a lot of good cheap assets over the past a few years. Unfortunately, it has not been suck enough to draft super star, nor attractive enough to sign super star.
Morey's plan had been trying get the super star through trades but had yet to get a deal down. The good news is that the Rockets have many good assets for trades, but I still don't see how they can trade their way into contender. The team is too good for rebuilding though, so it's hard to just tank. Drafting in late lottery is not too much of an advantage over drafting in late lottery with good scouting.
Not making the playoffs does have an impact on our draft pick for this year. We lose it to the Nets if we make it. Im not saying for the team to go out and tank the last 3 games that would be pointless. I'm saying i would rather have two picks(ours, NY) in a solid draft class with players of very high potential in the late lotto to late 1st round of this years draft with a possible chance at a 3rd pick. Rather than us make the playoffs and likely lose in the 1st round and only get one 1st rounder, and keep this current core and continue to live in no mans land.
The whole point on not making the playoffs is for the Rockets to finally take the road of Rebuilding instead of quick-fixes that usually dont help enough. And as for Parson getting more minutes than other draft picks
1. He's playing and now starting small foward our weakest position on the team
2. Our recent late lotto picks have been Pf's who play behind Scola, in Patterson & Morris. Patterson was injured earlier in the year and has really just returned to form somewhat and getting back into shape, and Morris is trying to translate into a sf. Aslo Donatas Motiejunas is overseas.
3. Continued Injuries to perimeter players have allowed for more playing time for him
4. And incase u didnt noticed Parsons is really talented and verastile.
When i said rebuild like Bobcats i ment for them to get rid of guys who aren't in your future like Scola, Martin, Camby, Dalembert who you owe big money too. Somewhat like the Bobcats did with Wallace, and Jackson. Also i want them to keep Dragic and Lee but i know some teams are going to try and overpay for them and the Rockets dont like to spend alot of money expecially on role players, when they can replace them in the draft because they draft so well.
Since Morey is always trying to trade for a Star but failing, im just saying maybe it's time to try and get lucky and find a diamond in the rough in this year Draft with a couple of picks, or clear cap space to try land one in free agency this year or next or also try to reduce the talent level for a chance at a top 5 or top 10 pick in the 2013 draft where the talent leve and potential at the top is amazing.
@woowoo; the only situation in which I'd trade Scola is if it were part of a superstar deal, Martin, Camby and Dalembert you can get rid of, but Scola still produces and is a great guy to keep in the organisation, even if you are trying to rebuild. The Rockets have enough young talent that they need to keep a few vets around to mentor them.
I hate that the Rockets are in no-man's land and we'll probably by there for the next couple of years. No-man's land is pretty much when you have too many veterans to get any better yet you're only good enough to be a fringe playoff team so you can't get a good lottery pick. I've never liked the idea of completely bombing an entire season in order to help rebuild but hey, it worked for Seattle. They got rid of Ray Allen, Rashard Lewis, and Luke Ridnour in order for them to be at the top of the draft lottery and rebuild effectively through the draft.
The only thing that I can see helping us out moving forward is making a sign-and-trade deal with New Jersey for Deron Williams and trying to snag Dwight Howard in free-agency the following off-season. Other than that, I don't see how we can have a metoric rise or a complete downfall. We're too good to miss the playoffs yet, too old to improve from our current state by waiting, and not good enough to make a deep run.
If we don't make a move, we're going to be a fringe playoff team for the next 3-5 years.
I think Suns got that last spot on lock. They are playing great at the right time. They may even scare a team or two. That Gasol trade really hurt Houson's plan. they should make a play on Al Jefferson though.
As far as everyone acts like Houston is... they don't need an overhaul, they need 1 star and they have plenty of assets for it. If you're Deron, would you rather be with Dirk and a bare bones roster or with all the talent in Houston minus at least Lowry? It's at least a consideration, right? The Nets, too, who hold his rights would have far more to gain from Houston. If the Lakers flame out, Pau might be on the market again. So on. Without a star, this team will remain fringy, but I don't think that they're more than one star from top 4 in the West, and without extreme draft luck, finding that will likely be easier via trade.
I absolutly agree with what you're saying, I made a whole thread describing how a team like the Suns have no buisness winning games, watching last night's TNT halftime show, I agreed with what Charles said, they're not doing any service to their fans by sneaking in this one year, then losing Nash in Free Agency and all of a sudden your left with Channing Frye, Hakim Warrik, Gortat, and Shannon Brown. I completely disagreed with what Kenny had to say, he said that as this team continues to improve, by the end of this season they will be a tam that can grab the 5 seed next year. That is ridiculous, because in my opinion that team in filled with about 3-4 role players, Steve Nash, and a bunch of bottom of the roster guys. That team is at it's absolute peak unless Nash goes ham for 20 and 13 in the playoffs. The biggest problem with that team is they have no defensive stopper. If they had an Iman Shumpert or even a Shawn Marion, I'd like their chances a lot better because there is no doubt that they can keep up offensively, however even if they make it they're headed for a first round exit.
Now about the Rockets, it might be a little late this year, tankpolooza started a couple months ago for some teams, but you guys have a really nice team, it's a pitty that Kevin Martin has been out for so long, and that Lowry hasn't been able to regain his mojo ever since coming back, but you guys have Daryl Morey, and he is a Wizard. I mean, how many high lotto picks has he taken a flier on, somthing I've always encouraged teams to do. Jordan Hill, Johnny Flynn, Hasheem Thabeet, Terrence Williams, now none of them worked out very well, however one of these days those guys that was given up on by his old team is gonaa turn into a very solid player. And remember the T-Mac trade, I though it was pretty crazy how you got rid of T-Mac only to get a future first rounder I believe, Martin, and a young guy only in his rookie season at the time. But I get what you mean, but with the way you guys draft, it's definatly possible you could get a 20 ppg scorer at 12 or 13, and to be honest, I though you guys were one piece away from being right behind the Grizz, and right there with the Nuggets and Mavs in the standings.
Yea i know Scola is good and a great veteran to have, but he isnt getting us a Superstar if he isnt in the three team trade so what like the LA deal that almost brought Gasol. His Production has slipped this year. But A vetern contending team should still want him so we could get a quality piece or two for him.
Hopefully we can find or get a young scorer like Eric Gordon or or find someone or two players in a the Draft with potential like Ross, Barnes or Beal (maybe we can trade up) Lamb(hopefully he falls), Rivers, Wroten, Waiters or PJ3. This is why i don't wont Houston to make the playoffs because the potential in this part of the draft is great.
I really want Perry Jones or Meyers Leonard & Terrence Ross in this draft. They have nothing to lose taking guys who have big potential in this draft. If one of them pans out to be as good as they're capable of being then its great. Also if they don't. produce highly right away, then maybe that yields a better lotto pick next season. Trade Martin somewhere like Minny(need someone who can knock down 3s plus Adleman loves him) let Camby & Dalembert walk. Dragic is likely gone after his success. I'd bring Lee back if its not too expensive, & go from there.
If Dallas is able to move up in the standings & they can also get 21st pick go after Royce White/Tony Mitchell.
They should be working on prying Gortat out of Phoenix. Lacking a good center is really what's killing them. There's a reason they had a deal done to get Gasol and Nene out of that Lakers/CP3 deal.
Now, how they go about getting Gortat is another question.
Lowry is the obvious starting point though.