[21yoGMParticipant]

 I want to know what makes Exum a top 5 prospect in the draft and LaVine a back end of the lottery prospect. They have a lot of similarties. You could argue that if LaVine was playing against the same level of competition he would put up the similar  numbers. The only argument I can see in favor of Exum is a better feel for the game, but I think they both take three years to develope. They look like the same player to me. Can someone explain this to me?

[BallinmvpParticipant]

 A lot of exum’s intrigue comes from the unknown, he played well the U-19 game against the USA and he started to turn heads. Who knows if he is better than Lavine until they lace up their sneakers and play. We get the first sample in July at the summer league.

[BallinmvpParticipant]

 A lot of exum’s intrigue comes from the unknown, he played well the U-19 game against the USA and he started to turn heads. Who knows if he is better than Lavine until they lace up their sneakers and play. We get the first sample in July at the summer league.

[moochieeParticipant]

 More productive. I don’t think Lavine could carry a team in international play like Exum has. Exum has shown the ability to be dominant

[moochieeParticipant]

 More productive. I don’t think Lavine could carry a team in international play like Exum has. Exum has shown the ability to be dominant

[21yoGMParticipant]

 I’ve seen the international tape of Exum and I think if u put LaVine is same situation with the ball in his hands with the same teammates as Exum he would put up the same numbers.

[21yoGMParticipant]

 I’ve seen the international tape of Exum and I think if u put LaVine is same situation with the ball in his hands with the same teammates as Exum he would put up the same numbers.

[kembawalker1515Participant]

 LaVine can clearly make jaw dropping plays due to his athleticism but his rawness brings him down soooo far. there is a reason he averaged only 9 points a game for UCLA this season and its bc his game is limited to low level thinking plays and plays where his athleticism can do all the work. Everyone wants that guy that wows in the workouts with the athleticism but LaVine is a project as of right now nowhere close to being an impact guy in the NBA. Exum, like moochie said, can take over a game and carry a team scoring, creating, fascilitating, and his basketball IQ exceeds LaVine’s by quite a bit. LaVine cant create in the halfcourt. Lesson here: athleticism doesnt tell the whole story, Ex. JaVale McGee

[kembawalker1515Participant]

 LaVine can clearly make jaw dropping plays due to his athleticism but his rawness brings him down soooo far. there is a reason he averaged only 9 points a game for UCLA this season and its bc his game is limited to low level thinking plays and plays where his athleticism can do all the work. Everyone wants that guy that wows in the workouts with the athleticism but LaVine is a project as of right now nowhere close to being an impact guy in the NBA. Exum, like moochie said, can take over a game and carry a team scoring, creating, fascilitating, and his basketball IQ exceeds LaVine’s by quite a bit. LaVine cant create in the halfcourt. Lesson here: athleticism doesnt tell the whole story, Ex. JaVale McGee

[PhillytheKid]

As dumb as that sounds, Lavine is a skinny guy.  He’s explosive, but skinny.

 

I think Lavine is a better shooter.  He’s definitely crazy explosive, but he did barely any ball-handling or team control/leadership in college.  

I think Exum comes off a guy who is a better paced player, knows how to control the tempo.  More mature mentally.

I also have seen Lavine have some difficulty finishing strong at the rim.  I think because of Exum’s bone structure, he will be a more poewrful finisher, a la Westbrook or Rose.

I can understand why Exum would be a top 5 pick.  I can also understand why Lavine is late lottery, and has a ton of maturing to do.  having said that, I think Lavine has the potential to be great if he locks in defensively, and gets that shot automatic, and finishes at the rim.  

But Exum is the better finisher / game manager / paced player.  

Lavine is more explosive in the open court and has a much nicer shot.  He had his chance when Adams and Andersen sat the one game, but he deferred to Coach’s son Alford, whcih was pretty disappointing.  But he’s got a lot more potential than Gary Harris.   

 

[PhillytheKid]

As dumb as that sounds, Lavine is a skinny guy.  He’s explosive, but skinny.

 

I think Lavine is a better shooter.  He’s definitely crazy explosive, but he did barely any ball-handling or team control/leadership in college.  

I think Exum comes off a guy who is a better paced player, knows how to control the tempo.  More mature mentally.

I also have seen Lavine have some difficulty finishing strong at the rim.  I think because of Exum’s bone structure, he will be a more poewrful finisher, a la Westbrook or Rose.

I can understand why Exum would be a top 5 pick.  I can also understand why Lavine is late lottery, and has a ton of maturing to do.  having said that, I think Lavine has the potential to be great if he locks in defensively, and gets that shot automatic, and finishes at the rim.  

But Exum is the better finisher / game manager / paced player.  

Lavine is more explosive in the open court and has a much nicer shot.  He had his chance when Adams and Andersen sat the one game, but he deferred to Coach’s son Alford, whcih was pretty disappointing.  But he’s got a lot more potential than Gary Harris.   

 

[21yoGMParticipant]

 Good points. I look at LaVine and see a similair situation  as russle Westbrook had comin out of UCLA playing second fiddle to other nba guards on his team. He was Also very raw. When he came out there were a A few combo gaurds that were supposed to be better than him but how many really turned our to be. I think the open game play of the nba will allow LaVine to flourish. 

[21yoGMParticipant]

 Good points. I look at LaVine and see a similair situation  as russle Westbrook had comin out of UCLA playing second fiddle to other nba guards on his team. He was Also very raw. When he came out there were a A few combo gaurds that were supposed to be better than him but how many really turned our to be. I think the open game play of the nba will allow LaVine to flourish. 

[Winning_TimeParticipant]

 Lavine could be this years Dion Waiters. Waiters was projected at the 17-20 range around this time and shot up the draft boards to where most people has him 4-8. Lavine has been rising and I think will continue to rise. Right now I have him getting drafted 9th to the Hornets and that is my own personal ceiling for his stock. 

[Winning_TimeParticipant]

 Lavine could be this years Dion Waiters. Waiters was projected at the 17-20 range around this time and shot up the draft boards to where most people has him 4-8. Lavine has been rising and I think will continue to rise. Right now I have him getting drafted 9th to the Hornets and that is my own personal ceiling for his stock. 

[Huesy7Participant]

 I think what separates good players from great players is their mind game.

The greatest players have a mindset that they are the best e.g. Kobe and MJ, that killer instinct.

Correct me if I’m wrong, I haven’t watched much of either, but what I have seen from what I’ve seen of both players Exum seems to have a better mindset than Lavine.

That’s also why I’m not entirely sold on Wiggins yet.

 

 

 

 

[Huesy7Participant]

 I think what separates good players from great players is their mind game.

The greatest players have a mindset that they are the best e.g. Kobe and MJ, that killer instinct.

Correct me if I’m wrong, I haven’t watched much of either, but what I have seen from what I’ve seen of both players Exum seems to have a better mindset than Lavine.

That’s also why I’m not entirely sold on Wiggins yet.

 

 

 

 

[Memphisboy14Participant]

It’s pretty simple the reason people think of Exum more highly than LaVine is strictly because most scouts have been able to properly evaluate him. LaVine played for UCLA which showcased his talents and weaknesses. Exum on the otherhand made the decision (a smart one) to not risk his draft stock by playing in college and decided to enter his name in the draft while he’s as hot as ever and from the looks of it that plan seems to be working out for him. It seems to me that NBA scouts are more sure of the kind of player that Exum can become whereas LaVine is a project and nobody knows what kind of player he’ll be. 

As for their games they are completely different. Exum is more of a natural ball-handler and is a much better passer than LaVine. LaVine is a much better jumpshooter than Exum is and Exum is a slasher. 

 

  

[Memphisboy14Participant]

It’s pretty simple the reason people think of Exum more highly than LaVine is strictly because most scouts have been able to properly evaluate him. LaVine played for UCLA which showcased his talents and weaknesses. Exum on the otherhand made the decision (a smart one) to not risk his draft stock by playing in college and decided to enter his name in the draft while he’s as hot as ever and from the looks of it that plan seems to be working out for him. It seems to me that NBA scouts are more sure of the kind of player that Exum can become whereas LaVine is a project and nobody knows what kind of player he’ll be. 

As for their games they are completely different. Exum is more of a natural ball-handler and is a much better passer than LaVine. LaVine is a much better jumpshooter than Exum is and Exum is a slasher. 

 

  

[theballerwayParticipant]

What you guys think Exum would have averaged at Ucla this season just gone. Im sure he would have had his oppurtunites but he is not even close to the game manager and passer Kyle A is. He not much of a shooter. Im sure he would score a lot of transition buckets and score through cuts and in the flow of the game but how much over the whole college season?

My guess is 12 max just because the college game is a lot more structured especially defensively. Defenders would sag off I assume due to his shooting issues.

[theballerwayParticipant]

What you guys think Exum would have averaged at Ucla this season just gone. Im sure he would have had his oppurtunites but he is not even close to the game manager and passer Kyle A is. He not much of a shooter. Im sure he would score a lot of transition buckets and score through cuts and in the flow of the game but how much over the whole college season?

My guess is 12 max just because the college game is a lot more structured especially defensively. Defenders would sag off I assume due to his shooting issues.

[Jco4Participant]

 LaVine has a lot to learn still and could end up being a better player then Exum, however Exum is the more "NBA ready" prospect now.

[Jco4Participant]

 LaVine has a lot to learn still and could end up being a better player then Exum, however Exum is the more "NBA ready" prospect now.

[BallinmvpParticipant]

Just playing devil’s advocate but I can’t say exum definitively is more NBA ready than Lavine. Lavine has played in meaningful games all season, he may have disappeared in some games for more than a couple reasons but he has also played well in some games. The only way we could definitively say exum was more prepared was if he played better than Lavine in CBB. Honestly he is just as much if a mystery than Lavine. He could be great or not. I’m not ready to say yet until I see him play against nba level players in a few games that’s why I’m excited for summer league. Then we can determine who is more nba ready or gas more upside.

[BallinmvpParticipant]

Just playing devil’s advocate but I can’t say exum definitively is more NBA ready than Lavine. Lavine has played in meaningful games all season, he may have disappeared in some games for more than a couple reasons but he has also played well in some games. The only way we could definitively say exum was more prepared was if he played better than Lavine in CBB. Honestly he is just as much if a mystery than Lavine. He could be great or not. I’m not ready to say yet until I see him play against nba level players in a few games that’s why I’m excited for summer league. Then we can determine who is more nba ready or gas more upside.

[B-ball fanParticipant]

 We’ve already seen that LaVine is an extremely flawed player due to his performance in college.  If Exum went to college performed like LaVine, his stock would drop like a rock.  LaVine was a nice transtion scorer in college who was a bad offensive player in the half-court and was a bad defender.  He is pretty limited as a player, just relying on transition run-outs, attacking off-the-dribble in transition and catch-and-shoot jumpers. None of those skills are guaranteed to translate to the NBA and LaVine struggled big time against tough competition.

Exum actually showed passing and slashing ability at the U-19s that LaVine doesn’t seem to have.  Exum may bust, as the comptetion at the U-19s was suspect, but it isn’t like LaVine’s stock isn’t buoyed by feasting on lesser competition.  Exum hasn’t been tested against top competition.  LaVine has and he has failed that test thus far.

[B-ball fanParticipant]

 We’ve already seen that LaVine is an extremely flawed player due to his performance in college.  If Exum went to college performed like LaVine, his stock would drop like a rock.  LaVine was a nice transtion scorer in college who was a bad offensive player in the half-court and was a bad defender.  He is pretty limited as a player, just relying on transition run-outs, attacking off-the-dribble in transition and catch-and-shoot jumpers. None of those skills are guaranteed to translate to the NBA and LaVine struggled big time against tough competition.

Exum actually showed passing and slashing ability at the U-19s that LaVine doesn’t seem to have.  Exum may bust, as the comptetion at the U-19s was suspect, but it isn’t like LaVine’s stock isn’t buoyed by feasting on lesser competition.  Exum hasn’t been tested against top competition.  LaVine has and he has failed that test thus far.

[21yoGMParticipant]

 My point was if u were to switch these players roles and teams I think there impact on the game would be similar. LaVine thrived against inferrior competition as did Exum. If Exum was stuck behind two older nba a level gaurds playing for UCLA I don’t think he would have done better then LaVine. That’s all I’m saying. I agree summer league this year will be one of the best we’ve seen ever 

[21yoGMParticipant]

 My point was if u were to switch these players roles and teams I think there impact on the game would be similar. LaVine thrived against inferrior competition as did Exum. If Exum was stuck behind two older nba a level gaurds playing for UCLA I don’t think he would have done better then LaVine. That’s all I’m saying. I agree summer league this year will be one of the best we’ve seen ever 

[livinlegend4blkParticipant]

 Better feel for the game? he was a 5"11 point guard his early high school career I would pass on exum if lavin was still available 

[livinlegend4blkParticipant]

 Better feel for the game? he was a 5"11 point guard his early high school career I would pass on exum if lavin was still available 

[TheLastWordParticipant]

 Lavine fell off pretty hard the second part of the season, I think Aran had him at 7 at one point. 

[TheLastWordParticipant]

 Lavine fell off pretty hard the second part of the season, I think Aran had him at 7 at one point. 

[theballerwayParticipant]

On his PG ability so to me hes a two that is quick as hell but cant treally shoot. The U19s championship was mentioned as an example of him showcasing his passing and iq. He averaged 3.8 assist to 2.3 turnovers. When you look at the stats and scores you will see in the tough games -vs USA 7pts, 4tos-only 11mins which is interesting as he only had 2 fouls. hiding him? He had some good point totals some just ho-hum. some stinkers from 3pt range- 1/10 and some better 3-6. Draw your own conclusions but again none of those teams would have beat UCLA this year imo

 

http://archive.fiba.com/pages/eng/fa/player/p/pid/88598/sid/9616/tid/239/_/2013_FIBA_U19_Championship_for_Men/index.html

[theballerwayParticipant]

On his PG ability so to me hes a two that is quick as hell but cant treally shoot. The U19s championship was mentioned as an example of him showcasing his passing and iq. He averaged 3.8 assist to 2.3 turnovers. When you look at the stats and scores you will see in the tough games -vs USA 7pts, 4tos-only 11mins which is interesting as he only had 2 fouls. hiding him? He had some good point totals some just ho-hum. some stinkers from 3pt range- 1/10 and some better 3-6. Draw your own conclusions but again none of those teams would have beat UCLA this year imo

 

http://archive.fiba.com/pages/eng/fa/player/p/pid/88598/sid/9616/tid/239/_/2013_FIBA_U19_Championship_for_Men/index.html

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