Why does Sullinger keep falling in the mock draft?
Teams are going to regret passing him up, if indeed they do. He's not even on the front page anymore... 15th? Right...........
Undersized,can't finish over the rim, I don't think he's going to do that well at the next level.
That's what happens when a player puts up a 5-19 stinker in a losing effort like Sullinger did against Kansas and doesn't have a great physical profile to keep his stock up (like Andre Drummond)
He wont be an all star but hes going to be a solid starter in this league. Sullinger is a hard worker and will improve his game as you have seen by his jump shot going out to three point range. I see a better version of Glen Davis in him.
I definitely agree with the Glen Davis comparison. Definitely won't be a star, but could be solid. The pre-draft combine won't help his stock much either.
He is compared to Kevin Love. But I don't see him having the same impact as Love in the NBA. Love atleast has decent size and length for the position. Sullinger I believe will olnly be 6'8.5 in shoes with a arm length below 6'11.
"" im not a fan of average sized pf's that are not fit, not athletic yet scores by overpowering the defense, plays average defense with average wingspan. i don't see a top 5 pick... at least his jumper shows some promise!
he could be the next big baby davis for all we know"".
me, when sully was on every1s top 5.
If he can go out and consistently hit mid-range shots, he'll be a solid starter for years ..He lacks explosiveness and athleticism,but those excuses are what dropped Carlos Boozer & Paul Millsaps to the 2nd round...
Sullinger didnt do his stock any good when he struggled to get shots off while he was being guarded by a scrub like Whitey, who will be a career backup or might never play in the nba..The showing against Whitey gave alot of people the impression that he wont have a chance against more athletic big men..
But i think he's going to do fine as a pro,becuz he has a great feel for the game...
Height measurements can vary because of shoes, but Sullinger's wingspan is 7'1.5'' and it was measured in either Lebron's or Amare's camp last summer. It's easy to notice he's got a monster wingspan when he's out on the court. No way it's under 6'11''.
Mike Sweetney comes to mind but, with Sullingers work ethic he wont get any fatter and maybe even slim down some more but they have a similar style.
I think it's funny that people can say Sullinger didn't do his stock any good play against Whithey from Kansas but Anthony Davis gets no mention of his terrible shooting against Whithey. I'm not saying Sullinger us a better player than Davis because he isn't. Let's more or less say Whithey is a good player and most young players have trouble finishing over 7 footers because you don't see them often.
What worries me about Sullinger is his inconsistent jumper and his lack of getting to the rim on drives. If he can have a reliable jumper he will have a solid career. He rebounds well and we all know that translates to the NBA. His defense will get better. It may never be good but it will get better. I think he is a far superior player to Glen Davis but won't be K Love either. Probably something like what Carlos Boozer is at this stage.
Yeah he likely does have a long wingspan, his body girth and height just makes it look short.
I understand where your coming from but while Davis did shoot terrible against Whitey the reason he got so much praise was because he still dominated the game, he still got 16 boards, 6 blocks, 5 assist and 3 stls and still got the W at the end of the day.
It's common knowledge now his wingspan is over 7'. It's even on his profile on this site.
Thomas Robinson pretty much exposed him. If he drops out of the lottery, a playoff team is going to get a nice player though. Also, Carlos Boozer is an absolute monster in terms of how strong he is... have you seen his biceps? They're the size of Jared Sullinger's thighs!
He could be an Elton Brand type of player though. Brand and Boozer are different players, Brand uses more raw strength and lower body strength while Boozer powers down defenders using brute force.
6'10'' in shoes with 7'1'' wingspan in the sources that I have seen. He looked to be the same size or slightly taller than t-rob when they played, so however big you think t rob is, that is how big sullinger is.. he carries a lot of weight below his waist and had longer legs than t rob too... that probably part of the reason he gets blocked (so much weight below the waist keeps him tethered). Both Sullinger and T-rob played poorly in the final four game and they were matched up against eachother... one time sullinger blocked him cleanly without even jumping it was pretty embaressing..
As to why he is sliding? people are haters... there is more tape on him than some freshmen... we all know that his body and athleticism are problems for him. I have said this earlier, but he is one of the players who is going to need to have a good combine or he could slip... I am pretty sure this website is assuming that he is going to have a bad showing and thus slip... If his agent is worth anything... he has him doing massive amounts of cardio to get his weight down. If he can get it below 260 that would go a long way...250 even better...
Sullinger is different than big baby though in that he actually has some decent post move whereas baby was more of a power game in college. Also Baby came in an inch shorter with about 20 more pounds than sullinger so that should be considered. Finally, if you really believe that sullinger will be like boozer... than you should take him top 2 in the draft because boozer was pretty good before his 800th injury.
Sullinger is dropping mainly because you have freshmen and other player getting more hype. I think he will be top 10 when predraft workouts and interviews are done. He comes accross as a high character guy and he works hard and continue to improve his game. Also how come he can't be a Kevin Love type player. Kevin Love wasn't getting any love two years ago. Sullinger may be taller and have about the same wingspan as Love. Also both are good rebounder except Love has proven it in the NBA.
The fact that we are throwing out names like Boozer, Brand, and Love to a proven big man with maturity is reason that he should not drop that far. You wonder why Gm's lose their jobs and this is why.
They would rather go with upside and hype than a proven commodity.
Honestly, I can not see how Sullinger is not a solid NBA player. He may never be an All Star but he could be that guy that is always on the verge and may luck up later in his career. Also Zach Randolph is another below the rim big man with size. He is probably a better shooter than all but Love but the thing is he can shoot well off the dribble and that is not something I have seen Love do in my limited time watching him.
I still see an Elton Brand-esque player if he keeps his weight under control. He's not the shot-blocker Brand is, but he will figure everything out in terms of how to get shots off just as many other talented below the rim guys have. It will be an adjustment, as his matchups with athletic frontlines has shown, but it will come together. Im not willing to write him off, if he slips out of the lottery some team is going to get a borderline All-Star level player down low.
Boozer & Brand were much more explosive & better conditioned athletes when they came out & remain better athletes even at this point...i like the comparison of a more talented Sweetney with more range.
Sullinger is bigger and more atheletic than Love (when he was drafted). Love managed to slim down to the point that he's much faster and more atheletic now.
If Sullinger puts in the hard work to improve his body, then he has a good chance to be a very solid player.
I think his measurements comes at 6'10 (with shoes) and 7'1 wingspan. Not bad for a PF/C.
If he can cut down his weight to 250lb, he would probably jump higher and move faster.
Was a better athlete than boozer, or at least tested better at the combine when they each came out... he is also about 1-2 inches shorter than Sullinger. player comps like the ones in this thread are not very helpful because they are pretty much saying this player is bad because I compared him to a bad player... or this player is good because I compared him to a good player... for what it is worth all of the I think this play will be good comps are 20 and 10 guys. so, if you believe in sullinger you are taking him when it is your turn because you should not pass on a 20 and ten guy.
I think everyone who has read this thread agrees for the most part that Sullinger's big issue is his body... If he can get his weight down, then he has a chance to be successful like the loves and boozers of the world... if he cant then he will not be able to play long...Love's BMI was 13% at the combine Sweetney's was 14% if sullinger can get his down below those numbers I will be impressed... below ten percent and I will be really impressed. Corelate his success in those areas to how well he tests athletically.
interesting to note is that the year love left for the NBA, he was projected as a mid first to bubble lotto pick for most of the year. it wasnt untill the end of the season after UCLA made a long run at the tourney where his stock really benefitted. and even then, you could still read left and right people saying why his game would not work out well in the NBA and why he'll only be an elite level player in college. we all know how things worked out for him. i think it should have at least shown that given the proper assesment of a players work ethic, maturity, approach to the game and mental aspect of things, things can be determined if how a player will translate well to the league or not.
sullinger can range from the sweetneys to the boozers, the marcus fizers to the kevin loves, the sean mays to the zach randolphs, what would give a better look and projection of where he will be in those is an in-depth look and research to the guys charachter.
I think my comment was misunderstood. It's clear Davis is a far superior player and dominated a game where he didn't score. My point was more geared towards Whithey's play in the tournament. Someone made the comment that Whithey was a scrub and my comment was more to support Whithey as a player.
Sullinger was an all American this year. Un athletic players have trouble finishing against bigger/more athletic players. Look at Demarcus Cousins rookie year. His FG% was low 40's. A lot of that was trouble adjusting to the bigger more athletic players. I have no doubt Sullinger will be a productive starter on the NBA for years. Probably never an all star but should be a great rebounder with number 3 option like offensive skills.
He's a better athlete than love?.... do yoU actually watch the game or do you skim through it....love might not be a freak but he has no problem finishing on any part of the floor in the nba...plus love gets off the floor much faster than sullinger....I think the better version of big baby is accurate...I wouldn't be surprised if he turned into a 15 n 10 guy simply off his work ethic.
I think Sullinger will struggle mightily at the next level. I was never enamored with him at osu, even with his statistical proficiencies. Look at what Jeff Withey did too him. There plenty of players with more skill, and bulk, but that same length in the NBA. He's going to have to hustle hard and get off deceptive shots to be a factor in the NBA. That being said he'll be a decent roleplayer b/c he has the @ss to clear space and rebound and he can hit the open shots.